wtf are the two posters hyping Cutler talking about? IMO, those recent pictures on the previous page are preliminary evidence he’s going to be outclassed at the actual contest.
Don’t say he’ll win without explaining why you think that will happen. And don’t say he’ll be the biggest because he won’t - these latest photos just re-affirm that (even w/o the photos I think most people into this pro bodybuilding thing wouldn’t have expected him to be the biggest; not with Kai and the newcomer Ramy in the field).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ok…when these guys start saying his forearms look funny I see all perspective has been lost.
Internet warriors have turned the fact that synthol is used by some to “he’s full of oil”.
Forearm injections?
Seriously?[/quote]
I know guys that inject oil into forearms. And that left forearm facing the picture does look kind of funky. May be just the angle or something, but looks kinda wack.
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
just because flex wheeler was the only one who ADMITTED it doesnt meant that the other competitors didnt use it /used it less than him.
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Oh I have no doubt that other competitors played around with SEOs as well. Heck, Milos admitted to almost killing himself when he injected into a vein by mistake, and he’s had a reputation as one of the ‘smarter’ pros of the time. I guess it’s just that Flex was so well known for the amazing fullness and round appearance of his muscles. Sure muscle bellies are completely the result of genetics, but as he’s been more forthcoming in recent years about his past practices, and with the large number of comparisons of Heath’s physique to Wheeler’s in his prime, you can see where some people are getting their ideas from.
It’s just a damn shame that it’s pretty much an accepted practice at the higher levels these days, and you can never really trust the old DNA as the sole reason an individual might have a perfectly symmetrical physique full of orbs and ellipses.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
I know guys that inject oil into forearms. And that left forearm facing the picture does look kind of funky. May be just the angle or something, but looks kinda wack.[/quote]
Looks wack indeed.
(1) Why care about possible oil use? I don’t see a fundamental difference between “gains” from oil use and, say, upping the AAS/HGH dosages.
(2) As I understand it, oil is used in cycles and supposed to actually produce permanent changes to muscles, not only short-term transient ones. If that actually works, I don’t know.
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
I KNOW THIS A MR. OLYMPIA thread but this is the 1st year of Women’s Physique at the O.
Having a lady who trains physique, DLB and her rise has interested me. personally, i think what her and Rob have carved fro themselves is pretty damn cool!
****also- i always root for Victor, the dude has walked through FIRE – beast! so much loss and setback. EVERY DAY - WE ALL WAKE, THEN PRESS FORWARD!!![/quote]
DAMN!she is seriously hot!!
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
I KNOW THIS A MR. OLYMPIA thread but this is the 1st year of Women’s Physique at the O.
Having a lady who trains physique, DLB and her rise has interested me. personally, i think what her and Rob have carved fro themselves is pretty damn cool!
****also- i always root for Victor, the dude has walked through FIRE – beast! so much loss and setback. EVERY DAY - WE ALL WAKE, THEN PRESS FORWARD!!![/quote]
DAMN!she is seriously hot!![/quote]
[quote]gregron wrote:
Maybe it’s just his genetics (doubtful) but the round “puffed up” bulbous look is what I think people are referring too with their SEO talk.[/quote]
Nope, no synthol at all…;)[/quote]
Look at his newest video on the last page. Again, I’m not saying he doesn’t use synthol as I have no idea, but I see no signs of it in his newest video.
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
just because flex wheeler was the only one who ADMITTED it doesnt meant that the other competitors didnt use it /used it less than him.
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Oh I have no doubt that other competitors played around with SEOs as well. Heck, Milos admitted to almost killing himself when he injected into a vein by mistake, and he’s had a reputation as one of the ‘smarter’ pros of the time. I guess it’s just that Flex was so well known for the amazing fullness and round appearance of his muscles.
Sure muscle bellies are completely the result of genetics, but as he’s been more forthcoming in recent years about his past practices, and with the large number of comparisons of Heath’s physique to Wheeler’s in his prime, you can see where some people are getting their ideas from.
It’s just a damn shame that it’s pretty much an accepted practice at the higher levels these days, and you can never really trust the old DNA as the sole reason an individual might have a perfectly symmetrical physique full of orbs and ellipses.
S[/quote]
yes flex was known for his amazing fullness, but he is also known for his amazing genetics( some pro bodybuilders claim he had the best actually, dennis wolf mentioned it in a flex magazine, markus ruhl talked about it in a long german interview and milos mentioned his amazing genetics in an interview too and im sure they can identify much better someone who uses “more” synthol than other people.). im not saying he didnt use synthol (he admitted it himself)
yes heath has very round muscle bellies, but that doesnt necessarily mean he uses more synthol than any other competitor. maybe he is called “the gift” (despite his narrowness) for a reason.
going by your logic dorian yates must have used the highest amount of halotestin and diuretics, just because he was the driest?
[quote]gregron wrote:
Maybe it’s just his genetics (doubtful) but the round “puffed up” bulbous look is what I think people are referring too with their SEO talk.[/quote]
Nope, no synthol at all…;)[/quote]
Look at his newest video on the last page. Again, I’m not saying he doesn’t use synthol as I have no idea, but I see no signs of it in his newest video. [/quote]
Look at AnytimeJakes (sp?) post regarding newer techniques of implementing seo, with that in mind it would be understandable that now a days we will no longer see the tell tale signs of use that we have become accustomed to from the horror shows of the 90’s (Ernie Taylor anyone?). In the Phil Heath thread a year or two ago a picture of his calf with a golfball of oil was posted and yet people still didn’t believe.
In all honesty though my thoughts are the same as yours, it’s highly probable he is on but hard to spot because he doesn’t have the likes of the horrendous oil rear delts like Nasser or Flex so obviously it’s conjecture for both of us!
I just equate his horrendous looking water balloon like muscles to too much seo, correct assumption? Who knows, but it’s fun watching X get majorly butt hurt lol.
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
going by your logic dorian yates must have used the highest amount of halotestin and diuretics, just because he was the driest?
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Not arguing your general point, as neither one of us can say for 100% certainty. Also, having the greatest genetics doesn’t mean that you didn’t make use of any other means of assistance, especially when you’re butting heads with Coleman who easily outweighed his nearest rivals by about 50 lbs.
Still Yates passed the diuretics tests when they were implemented during older Olympias (Nasser failed and it was in all the magazines as he forfeited his placing and prize money). Now, I’m not saying that he wasn’t using anything at all yet still managed to fool the test somehow, BUT, if it were me (and I can only speak for myself) and I was a multi Mr. Olympia winner receiving tons of coverage in magazines and online about my every move, I certainly wouldn’t risk losing face in such a public arena by using diuretics knowing full well they’re going to be testing.
With SEOs, I don’t think there’s really much of a test beyond visual assessment in terms of how the muscle looks, moves (poor injection techniques don’t fool anyone, just check some youtube videos), or possibly feels. Now I’m no real expert on the stuff, so I certainly won’t pretend to be, but I also won’t whine when other people have their own opinions of whether certain competitors are making use of this practice or not. While I’m fairly certain that most are using any means of enhancement available to them, some can just appear a bit more obvious than others.
I’m a fan of Jay, but I’m not stupid enough to think that he doesn’t use a bit of the oil himself. I like Phil’s physique too, but I also liked the way it looked better a couple of years ago, even if it wasn’t considered Mr. Olympia worthy.
In all honesty though my thoughts are the same as yours, it’s highly probable he is on but hard to spot because he doesn’t have the likes of the horrendous oil rear delts like Nasser or Flex so obviously it’s conjecture for both of us!
I just equate his horrendous looking water balloon like muscles to too much seo, correct assumption? Who knows, but it’s fun watching X get majorly butt hurt lol.[/quote]
I think plenty of people are more tired of guys like you only coming here for this.
[quote]Mr.Jeannay wrote:
dennis wolf mentioned it in a flex magazine, markus ruhl talked about it in a long german interview and milos mentioned his amazing genetics in an interview too and im sure they can identify much better someone who uses “more” synthol than other people[/quote]
Missed this before, but even if they are arguably capable of recognizing usage better than armchair experts arguing on an internet forum, no way are they going to ‘out’ the guy publically.
It’s a common thing in the sport these days, and to mainstream America, bodybuilding is enough of an oddball past time without people investigating the apparently accepted practice of injecting a synthetic substance under your skin to create the illusion of puffier muscles.
I like the fact that we now have life size action figure’s on stage. As far as Ramey, and Heath it’s awesome to me that they’re reaching the “He man” porportions that got me lifting years ago. It matters not to me what they had to do to look like this. I also know, and some people forget this, that all these guys have spent years apon years, and hours apon hours doing grueling workouts, also ultimate sacrifice, and will-power in the form of diets.
Some people seem to think it’s all drugs, and oil, thats bullshit, there’s not a guy on the stage that’s not driven, and sacrificed more than anyone can imagine. Anyone who knows, or been around a high level BBer, year in, and year out knows it’s insane dedication, INSANE.
I compete as a PLer, and don’t fully understand BBing, but have awesome respect for the work ethic, and will-power it takes to reach high levels. Makes PLing seem easy Unlike some others, I don’t feel drugs or adding some oil for the stage takes anything away frm the dedication. In the end they should be judged for the package on stage. I think somtimes people go on about this stuff to justify they’re own lack of dedication.
I also have the same respect for natural BBer’s who don’t want to sacrifice health, and understand the need for both. 2cents
Unlike some others, I don’t feel drugs or adding some oil for the stage takes anything away frm the dedication. In the end they should be judged for the package on stage. I think somtimes people go on about this stuff to justify they’re own lack of dedication.