I just finished rewatching my tape the 105+ Olympic weightlifting finals at the Sydney Olympics, most people say it was the greatest weightlifting show ever, and i have a question about their steroid programs. basically what are they doing, how much, in what type of cycles? im talking about the top guys, the guy that won and smashed the WR is only 22 years old, Hossin Razzaanh (spl?) from Iran, which is unbelievable to be that good at 22 in weightlifying. i think that powerlifters and bodybuilders use in simular ways…to a point, but the OL, particularly the supper heavies would juice very differently. i started to think they would use test’s, combined with HGH, as a base and use different drugs depending on the time of year or season, but then i see i dont have a clue. at their level their cycles would be getting managed to pin point accuracy, but i have no idea on this one. i just wont get a better idea out of interest. Bill Roberts or anyone else with a better idea could give me an idea that would be cool. Say at their time of most intense training, leading in to a World or European Champs. thanks.
They’re probably not on anything. Read this article: http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/ sportivny/library/farticles006.html
Actually, they can do something you can’t, so of course they’re on buckets & buckets of drugs.
How may I obtain a copy of this tape?
I WANNA WATCH IT BAD!
Drax, my man, you’re carrying this “they’re not on drugs” campaign way to far and into unsteady territory. Did you watch any of the 2000 Olympics? They sent the whole bloody Bulgarian weightlifing team home because they caught so many of them…what does that tell you? Aside from that, there have been many, many accounts from informed experts on the level of drug use by top level O-lifters, as well as strongmen and bodybuilders. You cannot deny it. Your point is well taken, but don’t try to take it where you cannot back it up.
For the dude who wanted the tapes…try Ironmind dot com…they have all sorts of tapes available.
Just read the article. He addresses everything Charlie Francis says in his interviews & articles. If an athlete uses, they’ll get caught, just like those Bulgarians did. They don’t want to get caught, so they don’t take the chance. Today’s records, as you’ll see in Bud Charniga’s article, are far below what they were in 1988 when the IOC was considering dropping weightlifting from the Olympics & this is after 12-14yrs. Why has it taken so long (13yrs or something) for somebody to match (not exceed) Ben Johnson’s world record if drug use is just as widespread as it’s ever been?
Drax, I don’t know the article you’re referring to…post a link to it and I’ll check it out. As far as the Ben Johnson thing, well, special athletes don’t exactly come along each day. Ben had one of the greatest races in the history of track and field…everything went right on that day. On another day, who’s to say that he would have even come close to that world record mark? When the difference between winning and losing is so fine, a myriad of factors can intervene. How come it took so long for someone to beat Bob Beamon’s record long jump? It took so long because Beamon was a special athlete who put everything together on that one day. Records will inevitably fall (to new athletes) less and less as performances get better and better. There will become a point where it will literally be impossible for a human to run a 100m at any faster time. However, the limits are being pushed due to advanced training, advanced nutrition, and advanced drug use. I do not see it any other way.
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/ sportivny/library/farticles006.html there’s the url for the article again. Charniga lists the absolute highest weights that are possible & it’s obvious that no lifter has come remotely close to the biggest weight liftable. That tells me that records should be increasing steadily, but they’re not because drug use pretty much stopped in the early 90’s. I’m sure that the fastest 100m possible would be something like 8.00, which of course nobody has approached.
I’m sorry, but it’s well known that many top atheletes seek out specialists in order to mask drug use. Whether it’s through cycling correctly or etc. In fact, I believe Brian Batcheledor (sp?) has said in articles that he plans cycles to help the athelete test clean at the time of the test.
You’re an idiot.
My bad i thought i put this in the steroids forum. Drax, are you trying to be funny, or are you for real? you have read Speed Trap havent you, since you are talking about the 100m?
I wish I could post an excerpt but I can’t. All you guys need to read that article with an open mind & you’ll see exactly why all the world records (except 2) are significantly less than they were 13yrs ago. He even says that there’s no hard evidence to support a comment like “well, he’s an olympic athlete, so I’m jumping to the conclusion that he’s on drugs” & whatever support there is comes from ‘drug gurus’ like Batcheldor. I’ll ask again, why hasn’t somebody beaten Ben Johnson’s world record in the last 14yrs?
So pretend they’re all on drugs & using masking agents. That still doesn’t explain why the world records in every weight class are lower than they were in 1988, right? If they’re all on the same stuff the world records should be increasing. There couldn’t have been that many ‘special’ athletes that one time.
I read the article you cited a few weeks ago as a result of a debate in the Supertraining forum. It makes a pretty good argument that performance enhancing drugs are, if not eliminated, at least severly courtailed. I have also read anecdotally from several sources that Olympic weightlifting is one of the cleanest sports in the Olympics simply because of the focus of stamping out performance enhancing drugs in that sport in particular – I think CP wrote something about this some time back and Charlie Francis may have said something about it too.
Why would you assume that world records would fall all the time? If they were doing drugs in the past also then todays atheletes don’t have that much advantage over them. There are gurus who make money planning cycles in a way so they show up clean at the time of a contest. The reason they exist is because they are in demand. Sure maybe today’s atheletes can’t stay on as long as those in the past (in order to show up clean, but they darn sure still use. Athletic sports are a joke today.
I read the article at dynamic over christmas and thought that it was interesting. Someone asked why you thought that records should fall on a regular basis? Well in Weightlifting records fell steadily from the mid sixties until the end on the eighties. So it would follow that they still should. As far as the Russian prediction on what the maximum possible weight that can be lifted would be? This is altimately just a guess. That being said results have decreased since the eighties. Being in contact with many weightlifters who competed in the 70s and 80s myself, they also agree that the level of drug use in weightlifting has deminished. I can also say with 100% certainly that not all internationally ranked weightlifters are clean. I personally know competitors who are not. As far as other sports, I personally know 3 athletes who competed in the 1996 and 2000 olympics who were not clean, they were speed strength athletes but not weightlifters.
I will finish that in my experience and to the extent of my knowledge not all weightlifters are on steroids, but they are not all clean either, to say so is naive and just incorrect. The extent of drug use in the 90s is lower than the 80s. In terms of dossage as well as number of people using.
2 things, 1st i would bet that virtually no one fucks around with HGH considering its expensive and has questionable benefits. Some probably are using Winny and halos, et al. 2nd not EVERYTHING went right on ben’s Seoul race. He did raise his hands for victory before crossing the line which many experts think added atleast .1 seconds to the time or so.
I never claimed that atheletes are doing the same level of drugs or length of use. I don’t doubt that they’ve had to curtail cycle lengths and stick to shorter halflife drugs. That is you answer, not that we have far fewer people using. We may have fewer over all in the games using. But, when it comes to speed, speed-strength, strength sports I doubt that there has been a significant change in number. Again only in dosage, cycle lengths, time clean between last cycle and test, reliance on short life druges, masking, etc. So it’s easy to see why records aren’t falling near the rate they were. Past atheletes were able to use heavier and longer cycles and still beat tests. Skill makes an athelete, roids make the champion.
My understanding is that athlets who use must stop a certain time out from the competition, so while they still may be using, it is with less impact than before.
Of course, some use nothing, what would steriod do for a super light weight guy? Not all that much if he is to stay in his class, but they might cost him a meddal.
I read the article, and it makes sense in terms of weightlifting, but that is primarily due to the fact that weightlifting as a sport was doomed unless more stringent testing procedures were put in place. Records in other events continue to fall, athletes are bigger and stronger and faster than ever before (just look at pro football), and we must expect a decline in the production of world records as those records are set closer and closer to our genetic limitations as humans.