Offseason 49 Weeks Out Training and PED Log

Thank you for taking the time to write so thoroughly. I created this account and thread for these specific connections and conversations.

Classic physique was what i was first drawn to compete in because it seemed more “beginner friendly”. I stuck with it due to familiarity with the posing for my 2nd show. My main objective is to keep on gaining stage weight and coming in better condition every show. Just due to familairity i will likely stay in classic until i outgrow the division or making weight becomes too risky.

I would be more than happy to come in for weigh ins this year and not make it and have to move into open bodybuilding!

As far as pharma, in relation to the last thought. I spent my early 20s and 30s setting myself up financially and socially to be a succesful, happy, and fulfilled person so that i can chase silly dreams and goals now. I want to be able to produce the most unique and wild look that my genetics will allow. I seem to be a person who has an incredible tolerance to drugs/medicine for both negative and postive side effects.

Based on what i have done with myself, i respond best to testosterone and hgh as far as results to risks. Primo is one that works just fine, and imsulin is in the equation to help with the carbs and give my pancreas a hand.

Training, found my body loves volume and tempo. I get the most disruption, pump, and burn with higher rep sets done with a nice slow loaded stretch. I competed as a strongman for many years and lifted heavy for the last 6 years, i got growth from it, then it stopped. Once i began higher rep work with lighter loads and a better “mind muscle” connection i grew again and am continuing do so… maybe because it was novel and i will have to return to heavy training to get growth at one point…?? But for now it is working and will ride it out until it does not.

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And also thank you for the critque of my physique as well. I find that helpful.

Still figuring lats out but am gettinf the hang of arm positions and movements to hit them differently.

Arms are ugly and short gettinf after them with the most volume ever this block too make them big ugly and short.

Chest i will say is what i struggle with the mlst. Finding movements and rep ranges where they feel like the main mover has been a unicorn for me

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Thanks for the great explanation, that makes sense and is what is working for you so go for it. I’m glad you ARE getting bloodwork regularly and consulting with your doctor as it seems that nowadays many of these young guys, while they obviously “know” they should do so and lie and say “sure bro, I’ll get my bloodwork before, during, and after”, c’mon, we all know they are not doing such.

Man, I really wish I had some magic exercise or miracle biomechanics of movement for your chest but I know I’d probably just be repeating what EVERYONE else has said to you “Incline BB, incline DB, heavy flyes, light flyes but focus more on the squeeze/contraction, weighted dips,” etc, etc. I know you have heard this probably a million times. The only thing that I can share is what I personally felt helped MY chest really get thick and that was just battering it with sheer weight e.g. getting as strong as I could on ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY incline barbell & dumbell presses! I’m sure this is trite to say, but have you seen very many high-level powerlifters without a barrell chest? For me, when I was competing I was up to incline barbell pressing for reps 365-405lbs. and with dumbells using the 130-140s for reps! My offseasons were for getting STRONG and while sure I added some lbs, most of it was water retention, I made sure to focus mainly on what poundages I was using in the gym. Just like with my back, I found that simply moving very heavy weights was key to forcing my chest to grow. Before you say this might apply to every bodypart, that’s actually not true as my shoulders/legs grew from chasing the pump. Going heavy, sure, but doing many drop sets/forced reps/high-rep sets in order to really pump them with blood. And my legs, doing toruturous sets of 20-30 rep sets, drop sets, etc really got better growth than just sheer heavy squats/lunges, etc like most folks. So no, I didn’t train everything just “heavy”. My shoulders got strong from just heavy movements like military press/upright rows, etc but they never really blew up until I did higher reps. For instance, on what I would deem necessary…dumbell laterals…I would do drop sets, forces reps with my workout partner assisting, I would run the rack until my last sets I was using the little 5lb dumbells and making those burn. All of that seemed to have a much better result than just your typical 3x10 reps for DB laterals-I had to pump them full of blood in order to get big.

Like I said in my previous post bro, my arms were NEVER going to look like a Lee Priest’s or Phil Heath with crazy peaks/separation/shape but as I just said regarding chest, the more weight I would use for other lifts, my arms had no choice but to get bigger/thicker in order to assist with them. So when I would diet down, they would actually have a bit more separation of the triceps, look better from the back double biceps pose.

Last, again regarding your back, I would have to say the one thing that made my back my best bodypart would be the amount of heavy deadlifting or rack pulling that I did. I almost always included them whenever I trained back and while in my competition days I mostly performed the basic deadlifts so that I could benefit my entire posterior chain, rack pulls were also very effective and allowed me to go ever heavier. Whenever I’ve come across someone who says their back is to shallow or not very wide, I immediately insist they perform these as I feel they force your back into getting much thicker/wider to allow you to move these poundages. I would ask you to consider adding these into your routine and if your lower back doesn’t permit true deads, then rack pulls (set the pins so that the bar is 2-3" below your knee but NO higher than that as a reduced ROM will do you barely any good) very heavy are a close second. They would always get my ENTIRE back sore for days and I really saw amazing growth.

Keep up the hard work.

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Powerlifting seems quite good for chest and back IMO. I think getting good bench numbers just forces the chest to grow. More so than tinkering away with flys or something. I do no shrugs or trap exercises and traps are one of my better body parts. It is from deadlifting. The muscles that run down my spine are quite developed as well.

Powerlifting doesn’t seem to work well for arms though. Perhaps if one has great arm genetics he can get away with it and have good arms.

Disclaimer: both you an the OP are far more developed than I am. I basically do powerbuilding and TRT with a light blast of Testosterone less than yearly. I do know a few decent powerlifters though, and I have had the same observations. Neck is also something that seems to grow well with powerlifting. I’ve seen decent BBers with small necks, I haven’t seen that on a decent powerlifter or strongman.

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Thanks for the great explanation, that makes sense and is what is working for you so go for it. I’m glad you ARE getting bloodwork regularly and consulting with your doctor as it seems that nowadays many of these young guys, while they obviously “know” they should do so and lie and say “sure bro, I’ll get my bloodwork before, during, and after”, c’mon, we all know they are not doing such.

Man, I really wish I had some magic exercise or miracle biomechanics of movement for your chest but I know I’d probably just be repeating what EVERYONE else has said to you “Incline BB, incline DB, heavy flyes, light flyes but focus more on the squeeze/contraction, weighted dips,” etc, etc. I know you have heard this probably a million times. The only thing that I can share is what I personally felt helped MY chest really get thick and that was just battering it with sheer weight e.g. getting as strong as I could on ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY incline barbell & dumbell presses! I’m sure this is trite to say, but have you seen very many high-level powerlifters without a barrell chest? For me, when I was competing I was up to incline barbell pressing for reps 365-405lbs. and with dumbells using the 130-140s for reps! My offseasons were for getting STRONG and while sure I added some lbs, most of it was water retention, I made sure to focus mainly on what poundages I was using in the gym. Just like with my back, I found that simply moving very heavy weights was key to forcing my chest to grow. Before you say this might apply to every bodypart, that’s actually not true as my shoulders/legs grew from chasing the pump. Going heavy, sure, but doing many drop sets/forced reps/high-rep sets in order to really pump them with blood. And my legs, doing toruturous sets of 20-30 rep sets, drop sets, etc really got better growth than just sheer heavy squats/lunges, etc like most folks. So no, I didn’t train everything just “heavy”. My shoulders got strong from just heavy movements like military press/upright rows, etc but they never really blew up until I did higher reps. For instance, on what I would deem necessary…dumbell laterals…I would do drop sets, forces reps with my workout partner assisting, I would run the rack until my last sets I was using the little 5lb dumbells and making those burn. All of that seemed to have a much better result than just your typical 3x10 reps for DB laterals-I had to pump them full of blood in order to get big.

Like I said in my previous post bro, my arms were NEVER going to look like a Lee Priest’s or Phil Heath with crazy peaks/separation/shape but as I just said regarding chest, the more weight I would use for other lifts, my arms had no choice but to get bigger/thicker in order to assist with them. So when I would diet down, they would actually have a bit more separation of the triceps, look better from the back double biceps pose.

Last, again regarding your back, I would have to say the one thing that made my back my best bodypart would be the amount of heavy deadlifting or rack pulling that I did. I almost always included them whenever I trained back and while in my competition days I mostly performed the basic deadlifts so that I could benefit my entire posterior chain, rack pulls were also very effective and allowed me to go ever heavier. Whenever I’ve come across someone who says their back is to shallow or not very wide, I immediately insist they perform these as I feel they force your back into getting much thicker/wider to allow you to move these poundages. I would ask you to consider adding these into your routine and if your lower back doesn’t permit true deads, then rack pulls (set the pins so that the bar is 2-3" below your knee but NO higher than that as a reduced ROM will do you barely any good) very heavy are a close second. They would always get my ENTIRE back sore for days and I really saw amazing growth.

Keep up the hard work.
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Deadlifted my butt off for years. 495x10 585x5 and 605x3 ans 655x1 as my personal bests

With my levers it is a ton of quad and hamstring of i go to my strongest position to target my mid back and lats i have to put mt hips up and keep the bar out in front of me a little bit.

Bench is the same as well 315x10 and 405x3 are some landmarks i have hit. When using my strongest technique it is a a tricep and delt movement. Been using camber and duffalo bars to increase the ROM and flair my elbows out a little more to get the chest to come into the game. Dbs were similar.

My newly devleoped motor patterns are imrpoving. When i add load to rapidly to them, i can feel my other starting to take back over.

It has been kind of a delicate balance transitioning out of lifting weights from point a to.point b to lifting weights to grow a.particular muscle group

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I think for beginners and intermediates there are a lot of good reasons to have a form of the powerlifts in your training to build around because the overall stimulus is so great.

However as i have advanced i have noticed the traditional deadlift, bench press, and back squat do not target the areas i need the most growth from. They are also increidly taxing, after a couple hard sets of 550+ on deadlift there is not way i can train quads hard or much else for that matter. And even though my hamstrings, glutes, and erectors are smoked. I coild.have gotten that same or better stimulus from stiff lef dls and still been able to hit leg press or split squats hard afterwards.

Started getting pec and shoulder niggles whenever i approached mid 300s on bench for any appreciable volume.

And the BB back squat as it is done for PL may be one of the worst exercises for my quads, with long femurs i find front or ssb squats way more stimulating. Pendulum squat also kicks my ass.

There are some body types that can get awesome benefits from them for a long time. Short femurs and squats are a great quad stimulus all day for example.

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I can understand what you said regarding convential deadlifts, but how about rack pulls? With your structure, they might be better for targeting back growth than convential anyway.
Also, I forgot to add earlier, HEAVY barbell rows (wear a belt!) either over/underhand (I truly feel underhand hits the lats better, allowing for a more “full” contraction vs. overhand which I DO feel in my upper back as well as the lats) but if rowing underhand you have to really focus on NOT flexing your arms (you know, when you’re rowing up allowing them to bend appreciably) so that you don’t involve too much biceps and especially so you do not injure your biceps. But if you bend over to about a 30-40 degree angle (I feel most people just sorta bend forward and with that angle all they’re primarily working is the traps/upperback) and really row into your waist, your lats will get a great pump and grow as well. I would, for every 3-4 workouts, throw in overhand just to change it up and give my biceps a bit of a break from doing them underhand.

How about T-bar rows? Not on any machine but with either a landmine setup or old school, with the one end of the barbell stuck in the corner of the room. I like grabbing a close grip pulldown attachment and putting this over the end of the barbell, right before the plate collar, and again bending over a little more than 45 degrees and pulling the barbell/handle into my lower stomach. That for me worked well. Last, and I think you did these in one of your videos, underhand shoulder-width grip lat pulldowns really beat the standard wide grip pulldowns day and night! They really allow you to, at the top, get a great stretch on the lats and if you pull the handle down to your upper chest, get a full, strong contraction. I’m for sure in the school of thought/opinion that if one of the primary mechanical actions for the latissimus dorsi muscles is to pull your body up (e.g. if you were climbing up a tree branch/fence), that getting them in their most elongated position and then pulling them throught their FULL ROM from top to the bottom-to your upper chest-is the best was to initiate growth…ummm, I’m having a hard time fully expressing my self but getting them into their most STRETCHED position in their eccentric phase, UNDER weight, and then fully contracting them in the concentric phase, while flexing HARD at that point, really is great for growth. I have def. found that “extra wide” grip does NOT equate to wider lats, but fully working them from full stretch to full contraction.

Have you considered throwing some EQ into your mix? I LOVED it as it made for amazing pumps/vascularity/blood flow while also being a pretty good anabolic(for me at least) without much androgenic activity, increased appetite, and without the bad sides of Nandrolone Dec. I possibly might’ve liked primo like you do, but I made all of my own stuff and the price for the primo powder was astronomical…that, and I’m a pretty wary person and I knew how easy it was for someone to claim it was primo while selling you another cheaper compound. And hey, with the eq I knew FOR SURE it was eq because, in case no one reading this knows, it actually comes as a liquid/gel in the base hormone form!! It’s not a powder like other hormones. Eh, just thought I’d throw this out there. Oh, and I did get some joint relief with the EQ as well…not as good as with nandrolone but hey, I didn’t have to worry about prolactin, ED, etc. I loved the joint lubricating properties and growth from Nandrolone but I didn’t particularly enjoy the nipple pain and random ED it gave me.

Let me know your thoughts. Take care and keep training hard AND heavy

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Agree that it’s usually not just one exercise in particular that ‘cures’ a lagging muscle.

Now to be a conplete hypocrite:
@Dsrx have you tried Scoop Flyes or Reverse Grip Bench? Both made a noticeable change in my upper pecs.

Certainly worth experimenting with on the rack deads.

BB rows are something i am also working on repatterning to get my lats more involved. Agree 100% that the underhand grip feels the best, i can really drive.my elbows low and back to hit my lower lat. Tbar i have never loved nor hated, juat found exercises that i can get more pull from, short arms make anything that has a normal fixed ending point not as stimulatice because i cannot get my elbows back. Even with 25lbs plates it is a good exercise but not one of my best. Love db rows and camber bar seal rows a bit more.

Pulldowns of all sort are a staple, so.much variety.

Also a home brewer myself. And have experience making most compounds and esters.

Equipoise is nifty, i would actually use it as a base for strongman training. Felt that it gave me better endurance for the glycolytic components of SM. did not slap weight on me either which was good at the time being bound to a weight class. Definitely a compound i am familiar with.

Nandrolone, is cool too. Gives me a nice full look and makes my joints feel nice. Definitely going to sub some mgs of it in later in the offseason after i am done with with the high test primo experiemnt and my joints are barking.

Masteron a like as well, think i like it better pre contest than offseason though

Trenbolone, works great but makes my appetite wonky which is not ideal for offseason. But it does give a very cool look when you are lean and dry.

Orals i found do the same for me so am keeping them out this offseason as well

Primo raws are expensive but man out of everything i trialed last year i had my best block of offseason runninf 900 test and 300 primo witb gh and insulin. Felt healthy and had very nice linear progress…

Test was in the low test camp during strongman and the majority of last years offseason i was influenced by broderick chavez and victor blacks models and kept test lower than 300 and would get my mgs everywhere else… i.stalled out around 247 last year then was advised to increae tbe test dose and add gh and insulin and grew like a weed to 260 the last 8 week push. Lowered it back down for a clean out prior to prep and did not exceed 500mg all prep… stopped growing and felt worse. This year want to really hammer the compounds i felt worked the nest using last years data and only use other tools when necessary.

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I actually have not and have a ton of trouble targeting upper pecs specifically. Will definitely give them a shot.

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Glad to hear you are open to the rack pulls and t-bar rows, as well as the underhand BB rows. I really think if you incorporate those movements, with as heavy weight as you can manage for a minimum of 8+ reps WITHOUT too much body english, you will start to see some increases in size.
While I do not share the long levers that you have I do understand how that would affect your biomechanics definitely on many exercises. But with that in mind, I know for SURE that rack pulls vs convential deads will really allow your back to be the primary mover/worker in that movement pattern. For the back, just moving BIG weights in the rack pulls ( and obviously DB rows, BB rows, T-bar rows) really allows you to pack on size. Closer to the show, as you begin dieting, I stop worrying about moving sheer weight and instead focus on REALLY feeling the MM connection and on the SQUEEZE of the back muscles as you move through the FULL ROM (as in, not using any body english as you might have used in the offseason).
Ah, I just remembered perhaps ONE more bit of advice you’re going to love for UPPER chest dude…get you an adjustable bench, set it up in a smith machine and set the bench to (hopefully it has closely spaced together increments of changing angles) just one click UNDER the setting for 90degrees…so, you’re sitting back at perhaps 75-80 degrees. Yes, you’ll be working your shoulders, I realize this but think of it as simply an added benefit. But with this angle, you will be still using your upper chest to perform what I called a high angle chest [yes, and shoulder] press. But be sure to take a wider than shoulder width grip on the bar as if your grip is too narrow then yes, the triceps will tend to take over along with the shoulders. Eh, give it a try, I actually really liked this movement and felt it was kind of like a 2 for 1 deal as it did in fact work the chest and shoulders…but for me, I felt that it really did make my upper chest more “shelf-like” in my poses, kinda like in my avatar when i hit my side chest pose. Although I’m annoyed the dude didn’t snap the pic when I was fully flexed so that the striations in my chest would have come out, ha.

Yea, masteron is awesome as well and as you said, more precontest. I have run it for that. And man, I did love Tren BUT with the big stipulation that it was truly the one AAS that DID change my demeanor/personality. I really became snappy/short while on it and my level of aggression was outta this world. I didn’t like how it made me get so easily angered/aggressive. ALso, the night sweats that smelled terrible, the dreaded tren cough made me dread daily or EOD shots, and also the intermitent insomnia. But god, it made me strong as shit and hard/vascular like nothing I’d ever taken. Lol, when i first started competing i used to make my tren Old-school from the finaplex pellets you have to crush, filter, bake, etc etc haha. later on i did get the hormone straight and didn’t have to do all that. ah, the good ol days.
Winstrol, eh, it was good for doing its job but the way it dried out my joints made me not a big fan but it gave me the results i wanted. anavar, eh, tried it and results were not good enough/noticable enough. I stuck to anadrol or dbol…I got the ol thai pinks from british dispensary. In fact, I still have a pack of about 200 of them in my pantry, from maybe 2011…I wonder if they are still good? sorry, got sidetracked.
I think you should throw in some eq while you’re still in offseason bro, can’t hurt and you said you liked it. would help your appetite and hey, the additional anabolic effects could assist your growth with it’s minimal sides. DO IT! haha. Hell, this is making me want to go from my TRT of just 200mg/wk of Test Cyp into a blast of some Eq and higher test…heh. *yes, i know this is considered by all the folks on here to be more than just TRT, but to that i say fuck it, it’s my body, I get bloodwork 2x year and donate blood 3x a year, it’s under an actual physician’s care and not a hormone clinic, and i’m 5’11 265 still with most of that still muscle so to maintain I actually do need more test. with that level my test levels come back in the trough as around 650, with once a week shots so sure, I’m sure my peak is over the average range but I’m okay with that as long as my bloodwork (RBC, WBC, estradiol, Prostate specific antigen level, liver values, etc) are reasonable along with blood pressure, etc and they are.

Add the above lifts in dude, I really think if you incorporate them and move heavy weight you will see some results…hell, with your level of vitamin intake you’re almost guaranteed to see some rapid results! Oh, and throw in some HIGH calorie days into that diet. It’s pretty spot on but to really grow you should trick your metabolism up every few days and bomb it with a ton of food (bacon cheeseburgers, pizza, lasagna, etc). as long as you don’t start letting it get your bf too high, do it, the dreaded precontest diet is when you have to be maniac about diet perfection as we both know. Enjoy your offseason!!

MM Mike

Dammit, was trying to share with you my MM pose from one show but cannot get it enlarged, stupid internet. and no, i don’t have access to the source page, i had just saved this a long time ago.

From my very first show at only 234lbs, I took the novice and overall. See what I mean, my arms NOT my best bodypart but later on I improved them like in my avatar taken 3 years later at Nationals.

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We are waiting… any update?

48 weeks out officially out of 6 week rebound and into offseason wk1

Bw: 248

No changes to diet, cardio, or supplements. Training volume escalated and progressions were all made.

Energy, appetite, and digestion are all in a great spot.





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D,

Have you thrown in any rack-pulls or T-bar rows like I suggested? Or how about underhand barbell rows? Not to hammer you over the head as like you said you know you need to work on your back, but I think you should really consider throwing those in as well.
I also recently started doing the one-arm landmine “Meadows Rows” and I’m really liking them! You get a great stretch throughout your entire back/lat and since you use 25 or 35lb plates (instead of the 45’s), you can get a full ROM on the row. In addition, since you are gripping the fat end of the barbell you also get a great grip/forearm workout as well. I try to do all but my last 1 or 2 sets free handed and then for the last ones I’ll use straps as my forearms are fatigued by then. If you’re not familiar with them, look them up. They are not really intended as a brute strength/heavy weight exercise but more of one to really stretch and contract your lats–like an exercise to throw in after you’ve done your rack pulls or barbell rows.

Anything else new?

My heart exploded just reading that. That’s a lotta mgs.

I’ve been toying with the idea of ramping the T up and seeing what happens. I’m limited by my script though. Been trying to stockpile a bit.

I went up to 400mg/week for a 2-3 week period and didn’t notice any significant difference to 200mg but I didn’t really give it enough time. Got scared lol and had a blood test upcoming so backed off.

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Holy smokes that’s scary. I’ve had a lot of orthopedic issues but no real health problems. I feel fortunate and want to keep it that way and not go too nuts with everything.

This entire thread is awesome. The discipline to do legit bodybuilding is incredible.

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Please stop derailing DSRX’s thread guys.

D - How’s the training going? What’s working/not working? Any adjustments made so far? ETC.
How often are you planning on updating here? Just was wondering.

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