Off-Season Bodybuilders

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Faulty logic. How many guys do you know of who will relay what their drug profile is? You could literally use an epi-pen while bending down to look in your gym bag. You could use it 10min before in the restroom for that matter. Why would you think the use of epinephrine would be off limits? That was why ephedrine was used previously.

Well…theyre pretty open about everything else that theyre taking…

waylanderxx wrote:
Should the day come where I want to train like a Powerlifter and wear all the elaborate suits and triple ply bench shirts that you need 4 people to get you into and then have them wet it down to shrink wrap it to your body so you turn yourself into a human power spring and then on top of this be shot full of Adrenalin-which can stop your heart instantly and is something I would never dare do to myself-- to lift even more weight than your muscles would normally be able to lift under normal training circumstances then I will do so.

Understand, this is no knock against Powerlifters, but I think it is important that people understand what really goes on. I train to build muscle and the weights I use, I use daily … day in and day out. Many Powerlifters wind up setting records by lifting a given weight that they cannot come anywhere near lifting (given the circumstances I mentioned above) a week later in the gym or ever again for that matter.

No one “wets down” a bench shirt after they put it on. Some people wash them occasionally between uses. This whole thing reeks of poetic license.

If jacking up is such a common occurrence, then there would have to be someone who has gotten hurt doing it in the 6 or 7 years since Trevor wrote that or sometime before.

How many of you guys powerlift? How many of you have ever been to a real multiply meet?

Of course, I can get BG to ask the multiple WR holders that she sees on a daily basis if they know anything about any of this.[/quote]

The thing is, I don’t think anyone would tell you. It’s the same thing with steroids. People are super impressed how big/strong you are…until you tell them you take steroids. Then they are like “Oh…”. I don’t think anyone would readily admit that to anyone that they didn’t fully trust. No offense to you or BG, but in the PLing world you guys are still amateurs. Same thing for me and BBing. I have a pretty good idea of what goes on, but I can guarantee you there will be plenty of things I would never even hear of until I am in the pro ranks or a very high level national competitor.(Assuming at some point I even get there)

You missed the part where Iv spoken with some of these guys about the shit they take. She has too. We compete in multiply powerlifting and no one gives a fuck what anyone else is on. This isnt Joe Juicehead talking to the teenagers at the local Gold’s gym. This is me talking to a guy that Im friends with about what he takes vs what I take.

I think this whole thing is comical due to the fact that a couple of guys who have never even been to one of these meets are telling me what definitely does and does not go on.

You guys wanna hear some crazy ass stories about what happened in the Cards locker room at the super bowl? I mean, I wasnt there, but…

You guys are making the incorrect assumption that just because its feasible that it might happen, then it is. ONE person ever has reported this happening. ONE. Even with the extreme reports of bodybuilders (who, IME, are much less open about their drug usage), there are multiple accounts of these things.

With the obvious benefits that the use of epinephrine would bring to your total how can you say no one has, could, or would use it?

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
You missed the part where Iv spoken with some of these guys about the shit they take. She has too. We compete in multiply powerlifting and no one gives a fuck what anyone else is on. This isnt Joe Juicehead talking to the teenagers at the local Gold’s gym. This is me talking to a guy that Im friends with about what he takes vs what I take.

I think this whole thing is comical due to the fact that a couple of guys who have never even been to one of these meets are telling me what definitely does and does not go on.

You guys wanna hear some crazy ass stories about what happened in the Cards locker room at the super bowl? I mean, I wasnt there, but…

You guys are making the incorrect assumption that just because its feasible that it might happen, then it is. ONE person ever has reported this happening. ONE. Even with the extreme reports of bodybuilders (who, IME, are much less open about their drug usage), there are multiple accounts of these things.
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No, we are making the statement that you are not somehow more educated in these matter simply because you asked someone. I used to train with powerlifters. The Samoan powerlifter who died years back used to train at my gym. You aren’t the only one who grew up around these sports and activities. I simply turned my focus to bodybuilding.

I can also guarantee that I hear more than many people who even attend meets or some competitions simply because of my size. Guys are more relaxed and relay more info to people who match them in size and strength. That is simply how the gym world works. No one is going to give out every detail as far as this topic because of the legal issues involved especially if you look like you are fairly new to this.

That means YOU don’t know any more than we do what every person is using and frankly, I am not sure why you would even take the stance that you are so knowledgeable about what every drug every powerlifting competitor is using to this degree.

I have personally seen guys take 3 times the dosage of ephedrine to induce a similar response. You are actually claiming that they would avoid going directly to the source at all costs? Are you serious?

[quote]Game Time wrote:
The Governor [/quote]

When was this? 80’s?

This thread really went in the shitter. Sad thing is it’s no surprise at all.


If you all would like to continue your conversation about powerlifters shooting up before a meet, please make your own thread.

This thread is about bulking.

Thanks!

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
You missed the part where Iv spoken with some of these guys about the shit they take. She has too. We compete in multiply powerlifting and no one gives a fuck what anyone else is on. This isnt Joe Juicehead talking to the teenagers at the local Gold’s gym. This is me talking to a guy that Im friends with about what he takes vs what I take.

I think this whole thing is comical due to the fact that a couple of guys who have never even been to one of these meets are telling me what definitely does and does not go on.

You guys wanna hear some crazy ass stories about what happened in the Cards locker room at the super bowl? I mean, I wasnt there, but…

You guys are making the incorrect assumption that just because its feasible that it might happen, then it is. ONE person ever has reported this happening. ONE. Even with the extreme reports of bodybuilders (who, IME, are much less open about their drug usage), there are multiple accounts of these things.

No, we are making the statement that you are not somehow more educated in these matter simply because you asked someone. I used to train with powerlifters. The Samoan powerlifter who died years back used to train at my gym. You aren’t the only one who grew up around these sports and activities. I simply turned my focus to bodybuilding.

I can also guarantee that I hear more than many people who even attend meets or some competitions simply because of my size. Guys are more relaxed and relay more info to people who match them in size and strength. That is simply how the gym world works. No one is going to give out every detail as far as this topic because of the legal issues involved especially if you look like you are fairly new to this.

That means YOU don’t know any more than we do what every person is using and frankly, I am not sure why you would even take the stance that you are so knowledgeable about what every drug every powerlifting competitor is using to this degree.

I have personally seen guys take 3 times the dosage of ephedrine to induce a similar response. You are actually claiming that they would avoid going directly to the source at all costs? Are you serious?

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Let me reiterate this for you guys one more time.

I am referring to conversations that I have had with FRIENDS who are high level lifters. I have discussed their steroid usage, GH usage, and so on and so forth. What you saw some guy at your gym do has nothing to do with the assertion that Trevor Smith made about the MAJORITY of powerlifters jacking up with epi-pens before big lifts. I have absolutely no doubt that SOMEONE has done it in the past, but this is very far from being a common occurrence as suggested.

Epinephrine has a half life of 1-2 minutes and the benefits one would reap from using it would be difficult to predict and quantify, making picking attempts difficult and mitigating the advantage of the drug in the first place.

The statement that you guys are trying to defend is Smith’s assertion that the MAJORITY of powerlifters use epinephrine pre-lift. This is your position and I havent seen any evidence produced beyond “well…its possible” and “maybe your first-hand sources are just lying to you”. The burden of proof is in your hands and Im not even sure that you guys have the experience to say that the majority of powerlifters do anything.

Produce some legitimate evidence and then maybe we can have this conversation, but until then, stop dealing in hearsay and stop defaming a sport of which you have very little real knowledge.

[quote]mr popular wrote:
If you all would like to continue your conversation about powerlifters shooting up before a meet, please make your own thread.

This thread is about bulking.

Thanks![/quote]

That is honestly as lean as I feel the need to ever be for my own personal satisfaction. I have never been one of these guys who is more focused on how ripped they are in spite of being fairly average as far as muscle development. I would rather be relatively lean but fucking huge even if my abs aren’t fully visible.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
You missed the part where Iv spoken with some of these guys about the shit they take. She has too. We compete in multiply powerlifting and no one gives a fuck what anyone else is on. This isnt Joe Juicehead talking to the teenagers at the local Gold’s gym. This is me talking to a guy that Im friends with about what he takes vs what I take.

I think this whole thing is comical due to the fact that a couple of guys who have never even been to one of these meets are telling me what definitely does and does not go on.

You guys wanna hear some crazy ass stories about what happened in the Cards locker room at the super bowl? I mean, I wasnt there, but…

You guys are making the incorrect assumption that just because its feasible that it might happen, then it is. ONE person ever has reported this happening. ONE. Even with the extreme reports of bodybuilders (who, IME, are much less open about their drug usage), there are multiple accounts of these things.

No, we are making the statement that you are not somehow more educated in these matter simply because you asked someone. I used to train with powerlifters. The Samoan powerlifter who died years back used to train at my gym. You aren’t the only one who grew up around these sports and activities. I simply turned my focus to bodybuilding.

I can also guarantee that I hear more than many people who even attend meets or some competitions simply because of my size. Guys are more relaxed and relay more info to people who match them in size and strength. That is simply how the gym world works. No one is going to give out every detail as far as this topic because of the legal issues involved especially if you look like you are fairly new to this.

That means YOU don’t know any more than we do what every person is using and frankly, I am not sure why you would even take the stance that you are so knowledgeable about what every drug every powerlifting competitor is using to this degree.

I have personally seen guys take 3 times the dosage of ephedrine to induce a similar response. You are actually claiming that they would avoid going directly to the source at all costs? Are you serious?

Let me reiterate this for you guys one more time.

I am referring to conversations that I have had with FRIENDS who are high level lifters. I have discussed their steroid usage, GH usage, and so on and so forth. What you saw some guy at your gym do has nothing to do with the assertion that Trevor Smith made about the MAJORITY of powerlifters jacking up with epi-pens before big lifts. I have absolutely no doubt that SOMEONE has done it in the past, but this is very far from being a common occurrence as suggested.

Epinephrine has a half life of 1-2 minutes and the benefits one would reap from using it would be difficult to predict and quantify, making picking attempts difficult and mitigating the advantage of the drug in the first place.

The statement that you guys are trying to defend is Smith’s assertion that the MAJORITY of powerlifters use epinephrine pre-lift. This is your position and I havent seen any evidence produced beyond “well…its possible” and “maybe your first-hand sources are just lying to you”. The burden of proof is in your hands and Im not even sure that you guys have the experience to say that the majority of powerlifters do anything.

Produce some legitimate evidence and then maybe we can have this conversation, but until then, stop dealing in hearsay and stop defaming a sport of which you have very little real knowledge.[/quote]

Mind you, you are talking to a doctor who lifts weights seriously about the effects of a drug used DAILY in my profession yet acting as if you know more.

Keep that up. You sound great.

Edit:

Oh, and I wrote this above:

But of course you are still arguing otherwise for some really strange reason.

[quote]mr popular wrote:
If you all would like to continue your conversation about powerlifters shooting up before a meet, please make your own thread.

This thread is about bulking.

Thanks![/quote]

Holy crap! He looks huge. Wasn’t he 250-ish in his first WSM? Anyone know what he is weighing now?

2008 super series he was 285 i think

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
mr popular wrote:
If you all would like to continue your conversation about powerlifters shooting up before a meet, please make your own thread.

This thread is about bulking.

Thanks!

Holy crap! He looks huge. Wasn’t he 250-ish in his first WSM? Anyone know what he is weighing now?[/quote]

It’s good though. I always rooting for Kevin (since I saw him on MTV years ago… haha, lame,) but he always seemed a few strides behind everyone else in the strength department.

Looks like a nice, good bulk could be what he needs!

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is honestly as lean as I feel the need to ever be for my own personal satisfaction. I have never been one of these guys who is more focused on how ripped they are in spite of being fairly average as far as muscle development. I would rather be relatively lean but fucking huge even if my abs aren’t fully visible.

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In an ideal world I would love to be this size and lean enough to have a tapered waist with abs… but just imagining the meticulous daily effort it would take to maintain that sort of physique - at THAT size - turns me off honestly.

I could be happy living the rest of my life up until old age looking like Kevin does here.

You know your pictures would make a great addition to this thread X… I didn’t want to just post them up without your permission, but since you’re here feel free to do so if you like… as well as any nuggets of wisdom for offseason training, diet, and lifestyle.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Holy crap! He looks huge. Wasn’t he 250-ish in his first WSM? Anyone know what he is weighing now?[/quote]

He got his pro card when he was creeping above 255 I think… as of '08 he’s upwards of 285lbs… Definitely a beast!

[quote]SSC wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
mr popular wrote:
If you all would like to continue your conversation about powerlifters shooting up before a meet, please make your own thread.

This thread is about bulking.

Thanks!

Holy crap! He looks huge. Wasn’t he 250-ish in his first WSM? Anyone know what he is weighing now?

It’s good though. I always rooting for Kevin (since I saw him on MTV years ago… haha, lame,) but he always seemed a few strides behind everyone else in the strength department.

Looks like a nice, good bulk could be what he needs![/quote]

Judging by the comments he is getting for his “smoother” pics on his myspace page, girls don’t really give that much of a shit about abs apparently.

Why would Shugart lie to us!!!


He’s come a long way.

Here’s Kevin in highschool.

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Here is in on True Life.

About 240lbs here… just before becoming the youngest pro strongman in history


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