Three car garage!
[quote]B-Mac13 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
those pics of heath were of him a few weeks out from last years iron man or last years arnold i forgot which. He is much thicker in his ‘off season’.
I know many will debate over this but Trey Brewer getting soo fat in the off season didn’t do him any good. It could be that his pre contest diet coming down from 330 is what f*cked him but either way I still think he looked better when he won the excalibur. He definitely needs to go back to what he did then this next year and he will be a pro here shortly.
I am also glad that many bodybuilders aren’t getting obese in the off season anymore. For a while there it seemed like people would get rediculous and then trim down. I dont believe that anybody needs to be more than 25 or so lbs over what they plan on competing at.
I believe getting too ‘fat’ in the off season leads to more muscle loss while dieting down. Its not a matter of weight so much as bf% if your climbing numbers above 20% your too fat…
DG
I see what you’re saying, and sort of agree with you but here’s what I think is worth noting. Take Trey for example, if he were to have held that weight longer and then slowly dieted down I think he would have been much more successful.
For guys that plan on doing shows more frequently a plan like that won’t work as well as it could if you take some serious time. Maintain the big weight for as long as possible, then have a pre-contest diet, and finally the actual prep.
IMHO if he took a solid 1.5-2 years after his Excalibur showing, he would be in better shape. I guess what it comes down to is being willing to grow into the big weight and then very gradually diet down. Probably not something a guy who earns a living at this has the luxury of doing, but for someone who has the time can be very beneficial.[/quote]
in the end it depends what the weight is. If your a sloppy 320 it won’t matter how long you hold it as the muscle just isn’t there.
When bulking you can get too fat and even hinder your muscle gains imo…
I do agree with what your saying, taken in context with the majority of the new weight your holding being muscle.
With Trey I believe strongly it was his crash diet that screwed him, not the bulk. I do believe his bulk was wasted on that account and also feel he let himself get a little too carried away with his off season bulk.
I think for me I get tired of seeing too many amateurs around me blow up to 260+lbs in the ‘off season’ and still be competing around 215 or so…DAMN MAN when bulking you looked like a pro…now you look smaller than me…wtf happened. lol
DG
Wow… never actually saw any pics of Dante, just seen his name mentioned all over the 'net. Guy’s a beast! Still, I’ll point out that having read his stuff, he’s quite thoughtful about his training, not just ‘lift heavy, inject and eat’ type stuff.
S
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i hope to god the reason hes wearing that shirt is cause its the only one in the world big enough to fit him. he looks like a school of minnows. and no i probaly wouldnt say that to his face.[/quote]
A school of minnows? LOL
That’s actually funny, Live!
LOL
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited [/quote]
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?! He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Wow… never actually saw any pics of Dante, just seen his name mentioned all over the 'net. Guy’s a beast! Still, I’ll point out that having read his stuff, he’s quite thoughtful about his training, not just ‘lift heavy, inject and eat’ type stuff.
S
[/quote]
Hell yeah man. I saw those videos of him and Justin Harris on youtube, which they both look like refrigerators in… but fuck! Good lighting, too. Maybe gay - but those are getting saved.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?! He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg. [/quote]
I know some top level guys and honestly I think the adrenaline thing is a bit of a stretch.
I know guys who use a lot of gear and go to pretty extreme lengths to cut weight, but adrenaline is something Iv never heard anyone even consider.
Maybe ol’ Trevor had ammonia/Nose Tork confused with adrenaline?
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?! He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg. [/quote]
What kind of other shit?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?! He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.
I know some top level guys and honestly I think the adrenaline thing is a bit of a stretch.
I know guys who use a lot of gear and go to pretty extreme lengths to cut weight, but adrenaline is something Iv never heard anyone even consider.
Maybe ol’ Trevor had ammonia/Nose Tork confused with adrenaline?[/quote]
I highly doubt anyone could confuse the two. I’ve read some of his stuff and he sounded very intelligent and seemed like he knew his stuff. Most anyone who has been lifting a while already knows that ammonia is used readily and I don’t see how it could be confused with something insane like adrenaline.
[quote]Artem wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?!
He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.
What kind of other shit?[/quote]
Hah there is so much, I don’t even begin to understand the full scope of what is used. I mean there is a shitload of various steroids you can use, there is growth hormone, insulin, some inject an inflammatory directly into the muscle pre contest so that it swells an appears largers.
There were some anecdotal reports of at least one guy who swapped out his blood for new blood (Lol I don’t remember the reason). Then there are implants…I mean the list goes on and on. There are literally hundreds of options to choose from.
[quote]Artem wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?! He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.
What kind of other shit?[/quote]
peptides, insulin, gh, dnp, crack…whatever to give you the edge…a shitload of painkillers and other prescription drugs too.
I know what you mean waylander. I convinced myself that roids were ok in moderation but the more you learn and get into bodybuilding the more your like DAYUMM! lol idk sometimes it’s kind of a dissapointment but in the end to be the best at whatever it is you do is what everybody strives for…even if it doesn’t involve drugs.
DG
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Artem wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?! He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.
What kind of other shit?
peptides, insulin, gh, dnp, crack…whatever to give you the edge…a shitload of painkillers and other prescription drugs too.
I know what you mean waylander. I convinced myself that roids were ok in moderation but the more you learn and get into bodybuilding the more your like DAYUMM! lol idk sometimes it’s kind of a dissapointment but in the end to be the best at whatever it is you do is what everybody strives for…even if it doesn’t involve drugs.
DG[/quote]
now most of the hardcore stuff you would use only for a comp not for gaining am i right or totally off?
anyone ever heard of drinking hard liquor right before a contest to improve vascularity?
and yea BBers use a ton of painkillers and for what its worth, ammonia sucks i tried it out today and it just smells like piss. doesnt do anything for me except gross me out.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Artem wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?! He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.
What kind of other shit?
peptides, insulin, gh, dnp, crack…whatever to give you the edge…a shitload of painkillers and other prescription drugs too.
I know what you mean waylander. I convinced myself that roids were ok in moderation but the more you learn and get into bodybuilding the more your like DAYUMM! lol idk sometimes it’s kind of a dissapointment but in the end to be the best at whatever it is you do is what everybody strives for…even if it doesn’t involve drugs.
DG[/quote]
crack?..why?
How do painkillers help? Is it to make workouts easier or something?
This is kinda lame seeing as I was hoping to compete. I’m not down with crack, sorry.
[quote]Artem wrote:
DG
crack?..why?
How do painkillers help? Is it to make workouts easier or something?
This is kinda lame seeing as I was hoping to compete. I’m not down with crack, sorry.[/quote]
dude not all BBers smoke crack, in fact i think hardly any do. come on man think.
painkillers are a lot more common though. i mean dude if youre a pro BBer youre playing around with heavy ass weight and youre gonna be im some serious pain not just DOMS but joints and other misc. aches and yes it helps you go heavier in the gym.
i also know a guy who is by no means a BBer but he lifts weights and he tells me he just smokes weed and does painkillers sometimes because he doesnt like to drink so thats his way to relax. so the recreational benefits are also a possibility
[quote]crod266 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Artem wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?! He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.
What kind of other shit?
peptides, insulin, gh, dnp, crack…whatever to give you the edge…a shitload of painkillers and other prescription drugs too.
I know what you mean waylander. I convinced myself that roids were ok in moderation but the more you learn and get into bodybuilding the more your like DAYUMM! lol idk sometimes it’s kind of a dissapointment but in the end to be the best at whatever it is you do is what everybody strives for…even if it doesn’t involve drugs.
DG
now most of the hardcore stuff you would use only for a comp not for gaining am i right or totally off?[/quote]
your way off…lol
steroids are used in all occasions. Insulin mainly for bulking but some use it to lean up too…very dangerous and will mess you up. I don’t mess with it yet…maybe never will. I also don’t use pain killers nor even fat burners (don’t need em)
DG
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
crod266 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Artem wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?! He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.
What kind of other shit?
peptides, insulin, gh, dnp, crack…whatever to give you the edge…a shitload of painkillers and other prescription drugs too.
I know what you mean waylander. I convinced myself that roids were ok in moderation but the more you learn and get into bodybuilding the more your like DAYUMM! lol idk sometimes it’s kind of a dissapointment but in the end to be the best at whatever it is you do is what everybody strives for…even if it doesn’t involve drugs.
DG
now most of the hardcore stuff you would use only for a comp not for gaining am i right or totally off?
your way off…lol
steroids are used in all occasions. Insulin mainly for bulking but some use it to lean up too…very dangerous and will mess you up. I don’t mess with it yet…maybe never will. I also don’t use pain killers nor even fat burners (don’t need em)
DG
[/quote]
haha o ok well i obviously now bbs use roids off season but i thought something like insulin was only leading up to contest prep. im sure there are plenty bbs who dont mess with the very harmful things like insulin
[quote]Artem wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Artem wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
I think Thib guessed somewhere between 320-340 in an older thread about him.
320, dunno, seems too low (consider Vic Richards, his off-season vs. comp weight, now substract a bit due to him holding too much water… And Trevor was a bit bigger than Vic, I believe).
The upper half of the range what is I’d guess he’d weigh in at.
Anyway… Wonder how he’d have done in PL…
#Edited
I read an interview with him. He said he would never compete in PLing. He mentioned that the world class guys inject adrenaline prior to their lifts?!?! He said these guys have never/will never lift those weights outside of meets ever again. He was of the opinion that injecting yourself with something that can instantly stop your heart did not interest him, can’t say I blame him.
Not to hijack, but PLing and BBing does lose some of its glamour when you consider all the shit you have to put in your body to be good at it. Kind of sucks. You naively think just steroids, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.
What kind of other shit?
peptides, insulin, gh, dnp, crack…whatever to give you the edge…a shitload of painkillers and other prescription drugs too.
I know what you mean waylander. I convinced myself that roids were ok in moderation but the more you learn and get into bodybuilding the more your like DAYUMM! lol idk sometimes it’s kind of a dissapointment but in the end to be the best at whatever it is you do is what everybody strives for…even if it doesn’t involve drugs.
DG
crack?..why?
How do painkillers help? Is it to make workouts easier or something?
This is kinda lame seeing as I was hoping to compete. I’m not down with crack, sorry.[/quote]
yes some people use painkillers to train harder, etc…I think it’s just a drug addiction that has nothing to do with bodybuilding tho.
If you can stick yourself with a needle maybe sometimes you wanna try something besides steroids ya know? not me but some people think that way…
meth, speed, etc…I don’t know of anybody personally who uses drugs like that to cut but I have heard some stories and can see how it could be of use but I highly doubt a lot of guys do this.
Remember this Artem…just because one person or a bunch of people are doing it doesn’t mean you have to to compete. I have competed against a lot of guys who use HGH and Insulin…shoot for a while I was natty competing against guys using gear. When and if the time comes you decide what goes in your body and how far you want to take bodybuilding.
For example I for one don’t think I’ll ever use insulin but if I’m competing for the Mr. O title someday then maybe I might change my mind. I think a lot of the scary drug use is up in the upper echelon…a lot of your basic amateur shows have natty’s and even guys on gear who’s drug selection is retarded and they don’t know wtf they are doing.
lets end this hijack tho guys…
DG
He had the size to win!