Stop this shitty chicken gang bang!
come back to the topic God damn it!
“TheSwami44” has had the last posts in this thread deleted. If you care to read all of the elevating literary works from this esteemed poster, you can read them here.
Now the thread can get back on topic.
[quote]TheSwami44 wrote:
Prof X congrats on your promotion.
OK and to not get flamed on I will contribute with a pic. As a teenager the Barbarian Brothers were my biggest inspiration, well ahead of the competitive bb’s at the time such as Sammer Bannout, Gaspari or Bob Paris. My buddy and I drove 2 hours to Golds Gym Venice and paid a guest fee to train there. And as luck would have it the Barbarians were training that day. They were beasts. They seemed to live the image too…saw one of them pick big ole booger out of his nose and wipe it under the bench. Anyway those guys always seemed to be “off-season” but even so they were reasonably lean. This is a classic pic of them, they are hard to come by.
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Holy moly…“out of touch and out of place!” I think I just got a cyber beat down! My only point was that many of the muscleheads I have encountered during the past 25 years were perpetually “bulking” in the “off-season” which was essentially year round since most never stepped on a stage. To the overwhelming majority of the population (99.9%) they looked like fat asses. All that work and the same people they were trying to impress looked at them as fat asses. To the .1% they looked large but that fringe group was typically guys who looked just like them, fat boys who did not compete. But in my pics of the Barbarians you can see they were not fat and they did not compete either (like the majority of the readers on this website). They carried a much lower body fat % and unless you are gunning for the Mr. Olympia title its probably better off to keep the body fat% lower rather than higher. But thanks for your input and once again congrats on your “promotion” to moderator of the forum. With 30,000+ posts you were long overdue for the recognition. [/quote]
[quote]Fellas I have been lifting for a long time. I have been married for almost 2 decades. I am not out to impress chicks or other people…cuz if I was my wife would take half and boot me out 
I have either worked in gyms or trained in gyms for 25 years. I am not overly impressive to look at. I am not an expert on slow vs fast twitch hypertrophy. I do know one thing and that is through experience and maturation MOST guys come to realize that unless you are a competitive bodybuilder, it is better to remain on the lean side most of the time rather than trying to “bulk” in the “off-season.” The reason is most of the readers here will never have an “on-season” as most will never step on a stage. The dudes in SOME of these pics are carrying a LOT of fat. And that obviously works for a professional bodybuilder who has the work ethic/time/finances/genetics/supplements to shed that fat. But I doubt many of those guys read this website. Most of the guys who do read this website have jobs, families etc. My initial post was only in response to the guys who were taking pot shots at the lean guys or the importance of having abs etc. Here is a fact that most of you will at one point in your life agree with. When you are 40+ years old you will value a six pack of abs far more than love handles and 18" arms.
As for Professor X, the guy seems pretty bright and has a lot to offer but his message board persona is very inflammatory and confrontational. He is the prototypical message board bully. TMUSCLE is a great website and I am surprised that those who run this website would allow him to have admin privleges. As a moderator it is important to stimulate conversation and not stifle it. It is important to insure people do not cross the line with ethnic, racial, religious, sexual posts…that is the mods job. But as a mod you should embrace different opinions not rage against them. And to Prof. X I have a message…I know you love giving advice, well sometimes its just as important to take advice. When you come off as condensending it only makes YOU look bad. I don’t know you at all but I recently decided to read some of your 30k plus posts and it seems they have a common theme, many are argumentative and/or condensending. Take a page out of Christian T’s page, he is always professional and is a great representative of this website. OK kid, don’t sweat it, you have a lot to offer…just stay positive or you will chase people away rather than draw them in.
OK I am done now…back on topic…getting HUGE 
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[quote]Simonidas wrote:
Stop this shitty chicken gang bang!
come back to the topic God damn it!
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That’s awesome. Levrone’s lat flair in the double bi near the start looks like a fucking cobra.
Dex and Jay.
3 Mr. O’s and one future Mr. O.
[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
Dex and Jay.[/quote]
I just feel like Dex doesn’t get the lovin’ he deserves.
Dex used to,… but after the last Olympia, and this past Arnold,… maybe the judges are just getting tired of him,… or maybe he’s just come as far as he can and the ‘next step’ of builders is over running him.
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Dex used to,… but after the last Olympia, and this past Arnold,… maybe the judges are just getting tired of him,… or maybe he’s just come as far as he can and the ‘next step’ of builders is over running him.
S[/quote]
Not much you can do about that I guess.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Dex used to,… but after the last Olympia, and this past Arnold,… maybe the judges are just getting tired of him,… or maybe he’s just come as far as he can and the ‘next step’ of builders is over running him.
S[/quote]
Not much you can do about that I guess.
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My personal take is the guys with the bigger personalities seem to be taking over now that the internet has such a HUGE impact on their exposure levels. People like Kai, Evan and Heath. Dex may just need to open up more. He hasn’t even released any new training vids which I would have bought if he had.
I know he is probably pissed because of his lack of exposure (and I can understand that), but that seems to be the way things are now.
Dex DESERVES more attention based on his physique…but the newer guys seem to just be bringing a more fresh air to the game.
Guys like Dorian would have suffocated in times like this because until recently Dorian HATED any public appearances or interviews.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Leo Ingram[/quote]
I’m glad you posted this. I didn’t know what he looked like in the off season.
Mind you, he said he has been way heavier than that getting well over 300lbs in the Navy a few years back when they had him on mission in a sub for months at a time and he was too busy to eat and train the way he wanted. That dude’s triceps and hamstrings are unreal.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
“TheSwami44” has had the last posts in this thread deleted. If you care to read all of the elevating literary works from this esteemed poster, you can read them here.
Now the thread can get back on topic.
[quote]TheSwami44 wrote:
Prof X congrats on your promotion.
OK and to not get flamed on I will contribute with a pic. As a teenager the Barbarian Brothers were my biggest inspiration, well ahead of the competitive bb’s at the time such as Sammer Bannout, Gaspari or Bob Paris. My buddy and I drove 2 hours to Golds Gym Venice and paid a guest fee to train there. And as luck would have it the Barbarians were training that day. They were beasts. They seemed to live the image too…saw one of them pick big ole booger out of his nose and wipe it under the bench. Anyway those guys always seemed to be “off-season” but even so they were reasonably lean. This is a classic pic of them, they are hard to come by.
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[quote]
Holy moly…“out of touch and out of place!” I think I just got a cyber beat down! My only point was that many of the muscleheads I have encountered during the past 25 years were perpetually “bulking” in the “off-season” which was essentially year round since most never stepped on a stage. To the overwhelming majority of the population (99.9%) they looked like fat asses. All that work and the same people they were trying to impress looked at them as fat asses. To the .1% they looked large but that fringe group was typically guys who looked just like them, fat boys who did not compete. But in my pics of the Barbarians you can see they were not fat and they did not compete either (like the majority of the readers on this website). They carried a much lower body fat % and unless you are gunning for the Mr. Olympia title its probably better off to keep the body fat% lower rather than higher. But thanks for your input and once again congrats on your “promotion” to moderator of the forum. With 30,000+ posts you were long overdue for the recognition. [/quote]
[quote]Fellas I have been lifting for a long time. I have been married for almost 2 decades. I am not out to impress chicks or other people…cuz if I was my wife would take half and boot me out
I have either worked in gyms or trained in gyms for 25 years. I am not overly impressive to look at. I am not an expert on slow vs fast twitch hypertrophy. I do know one thing and that is through experience and maturation MOST guys come to realize that unless you are a competitive bodybuilder, it is better to remain on the lean side most of the time rather than trying to “bulk” in the “off-season.” The reason is most of the readers here will never have an “on-season” as most will never step on a stage. The dudes in SOME of these pics are carrying a LOT of fat. And that obviously works for a professional bodybuilder who has the work ethic/time/finances/genetics/supplements to shed that fat. But I doubt many of those guys read this website. Most of the guys who do read this website have jobs, families etc. My initial post was only in response to the guys who were taking pot shots at the lean guys or the importance of having abs etc. Here is a fact that most of you will at one point in your life agree with. When you are 40+ years old you will value a six pack of abs far more than love handles and 18" arms.
As for Professor X, the guy seems pretty bright and has a lot to offer but his message board persona is very inflammatory and confrontational. He is the prototypical message board bully. TMUSCLE is a great website and I am surprised that those who run this website would allow him to have admin privleges. As a moderator it is important to stimulate conversation and not stifle it. It is important to insure people do not cross the line with ethnic, racial, religious, sexual posts…that is the mods job. But as a mod you should embrace different opinions not rage against them. And to Prof. X I have a message…I know you love giving advice, well sometimes its just as important to take advice. When you come off as condensending it only makes YOU look bad. I don’t know you at all but I recently decided to read some of your 30k plus posts and it seems they have a common theme, many are argumentative and/or condensending. Take a page out of Christian T’s page, he is always professional and is a great representative of this website. OK kid, don’t sweat it, you have a lot to offer…just stay positive or you will chase people away rather than draw them in.
OK I am done now…back on topic…getting HUGE [/quote][/quote]
Wow, this got removed why ?
Did he say anything after this that was out of order.
He seems like a balanced reasonable guy offering opinions.
Or are opinions wrong if they don’t agree with you?
[quote]porkpie wrote:
Wow, this got removed why ?
Did he say anything after this that was out of order.
He seems like a balanced reasonable guy offering opinions.
Or are opinions wrong if they don’t agree with you?[/quote]
He derailed this thread with a discussion that he has every right to create HIS OWN thread about instead of screwing this one up. Your posts will be deleted as well if they sidetrack a thread this long to discuss issues THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.
[quote]porkpie wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
“TheSwami44” has had the last posts in this thread deleted. If you care to read all of the elevating literary works from this esteemed poster, you can read them here.
Now the thread can get back on topic.
[quote]TheSwami44 wrote:
Prof X congrats on your promotion.
OK and to not get flamed on I will contribute with a pic. As a teenager the Barbarian Brothers were my biggest inspiration, well ahead of the competitive bb’s at the time such as Sammer Bannout, Gaspari or Bob Paris. My buddy and I drove 2 hours to Golds Gym Venice and paid a guest fee to train there. And as luck would have it the Barbarians were training that day. They were beasts. They seemed to live the image too…saw one of them pick big ole booger out of his nose and wipe it under the bench. Anyway those guys always seemed to be “off-season” but even so they were reasonably lean. This is a classic pic of them, they are hard to come by.
[/quote]
[quote]
Holy moly…“out of touch and out of place!” I think I just got a cyber beat down! My only point was that many of the muscleheads I have encountered during the past 25 years were perpetually “bulking” in the “off-season” which was essentially year round since most never stepped on a stage. To the overwhelming majority of the population (99.9%) they looked like fat asses. All that work and the same people they were trying to impress looked at them as fat asses. To the .1% they looked large but that fringe group was typically guys who looked just like them, fat boys who did not compete. But in my pics of the Barbarians you can see they were not fat and they did not compete either (like the majority of the readers on this website). They carried a much lower body fat % and unless you are gunning for the Mr. Olympia title its probably better off to keep the body fat% lower rather than higher. But thanks for your input and once again congrats on your “promotion” to moderator of the forum. With 30,000+ posts you were long overdue for the recognition. [/quote]
[quote]Fellas I have been lifting for a long time. I have been married for almost 2 decades. I am not out to impress chicks or other people…cuz if I was my wife would take half and boot me out
I have either worked in gyms or trained in gyms for 25 years. I am not overly impressive to look at. I am not an expert on slow vs fast twitch hypertrophy. I do know one thing and that is through experience and maturation MOST guys come to realize that unless you are a competitive bodybuilder, it is better to remain on the lean side most of the time rather than trying to “bulk” in the “off-season.” The reason is most of the readers here will never have an “on-season” as most will never step on a stage. The dudes in SOME of these pics are carrying a LOT of fat. And that obviously works for a professional bodybuilder who has the work ethic/time/finances/genetics/supplements to shed that fat. But I doubt many of those guys read this website. Most of the guys who do read this website have jobs, families etc. My initial post was only in response to the guys who were taking pot shots at the lean guys or the importance of having abs etc. Here is a fact that most of you will at one point in your life agree with. When you are 40+ years old you will value a six pack of abs far more than love handles and 18" arms.
As for Professor X, the guy seems pretty bright and has a lot to offer but his message board persona is very inflammatory and confrontational. He is the prototypical message board bully. TMUSCLE is a great website and I am surprised that those who run this website would allow him to have admin privleges. As a moderator it is important to stimulate conversation and not stifle it. It is important to insure people do not cross the line with ethnic, racial, religious, sexual posts…that is the mods job. But as a mod you should embrace different opinions not rage against them. And to Prof. X I have a message…I know you love giving advice, well sometimes its just as important to take advice. When you come off as condensending it only makes YOU look bad. I don’t know you at all but I recently decided to read some of your 30k plus posts and it seems they have a common theme, many are argumentative and/or condensending. Take a page out of Christian T’s page, he is always professional and is a great representative of this website. OK kid, don’t sweat it, you have a lot to offer…just stay positive or you will chase people away rather than draw them in.
OK I am done now…back on topic…getting HUGE [/quote][/quote]
Wow, this got removed why ?
Did he say anything after this that was out of order.
He seems like a balanced reasonable guy offering opinions.
Or are opinions wrong if they don’t agree with you?[/quote]
Because no one gives a fuck about this guy’s opinion about lean vs soft bodybuilders. This thread has a specific purpose…pictures of offseason bodybuilders. Post them, comment about them, or shut the fuck up.
It’s like the guy who came into the 17 inch arm thread talking about “it’s not all about the size.” It doesn’t matter, that thread was about 17 inch arms, this one is about offseason bodybuilders.
Marko Savolainen.
[quote]Simonidas wrote:
Stop this shitty chicken gang bang!
come back to the topic God damn it!
[/quote]
damn there is some mass goin on in that video!
Question on Dex: Does anyone else think his off-season physique looks nothing like his contest ready one? I don’t just mean bf levels. I feel like his proportions change as soon as he cuts.
[quote]FutureGL wrote:
Question on Dex: Does anyone else think his off-season physique looks nothing like his contest ready one? I don’t just mean bf levels. I feel like his proportions change as soon as he cuts.
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Not really. He is clearly more filled out which seems to b what you are focusing in on. In my opinion, most of these shows would more impressive (since the competitors wouldn’t feel like they were DEAD) if the guys were NOT as ripped as what we are used to now on stage. Instead of the insane near death sub 4% body fat, going back to when 7-8% was ok with no “ripped glutes” would allow guys like Dex to stand out more.
You have to realize that even though he is still ripped in the off season, he probably still drops in excess of 20lbs to get contest ready.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]FutureGL wrote:
Question on Dex: Does anyone else think his off-season physique looks nothing like his contest ready one? I don’t just mean bf levels. I feel like his proportions change as soon as he cuts.
[/quote]
Not really. He is clearly more filled out which seems to b what you are focusing in on. In my opinion, most of these shows would more impressive (since the competitors wouldn’t feel like they were DEAD) if the guys were NOT as ripped as what we are used to now on stage. Instead of the insane near death sub 4% body fat, going back to when 7-8% was ok with no “ripped glutes” would allow guys like Dex to stand out more.
You have to realize that even though he is still ripped in the off season, he probably still drops in excess of 20lbs to get contest ready.[/quote]
I saw an interview with Dex where he stated his goal was to “bulk up” to 250 pounds in the offseason, but I’ve also seen him claim he weighs 235 on stage.
I’m more inclined to believe his stage weight is closer to 220 and he does have to lose 20+ pounds (mostly water weight) before competitions.
hes only got up to 235 recently for compertiton. 08 arnold he was 220 08 olympia he was 235
[quote]sid132 wrote:
hes only got up to 235 recently for compertiton. 08 arnold he was 220 08 olympia he was 235[/quote]
Do you believe he put on 15 pounds of muscle in 7 months (his conditioning is just about always the same). I think most of the stats bodybuilders give out are lies to appear bigger than what they really are.