'Obama's Gotta Go'

[atypical1]

[quote]ZEB wrote:
With a republican house and senate Romney can make the entire thing go away. That means he has two chances to do it, 2012, and 2014. So that is one major difference.[/quote]

Here’s an interesting article here on his chances to end Obamacare:

Repealing ObamaCare: GOP fantasy or near-certainty?

Again, we won’t know this one until the end but saying you’re going to repeal something and doing it are two different things. People only care about the end result.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Wrong:

Ronald Reagan promised to lower taxes and he did! He lowered them to the lowest that they’ve been in modern day. And guess what? He created 20 million private sector jobs by doing it. Some Presidents do get it. Romney has promised to lower taxes. Obama has promised to raise them. Enough said that is difference number two!
[/quote]

I’ll concede on Reagan. He certainly cut taxes. But he rose the debt by 186% so was it worth it?

http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm

But this is about Romney. He’ll cut taxes but eliminate some deductions so that the end result is the same:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/08/01/620561/tpc-romney-study-taxes/

Again, it’s about what the end result is and if you cut my tax rate but eliminate my deductions and I end up paying more in taxes do you think I will be happy?

[quote]ZEB wrote:

You conceded the point in this first sentence. That is difference number three![/quote]

No, I said that Romney is more of a friend to Israel than Obama. But actions speak louder than words and only time will tell if his policies are any different than Obama’s. I’m saying that the U.S. policy is not going to change.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Wrong again it was done by executive order and can be undone the exact same way. That takes one stroke of the pen. And that is difference number four![/quote]

Again, saying you’re going to do something and doing it are two different things.

[quote] Zeb wrote

Wrong (again) Bill Clinton and the republican congress balanced the budget! All it takes is will and the ability to negotiate with the other side two things Obama does not have. And Romney has promised to do this. That is difference number five![/quote]

The deficit has increased under every president including Clinton and that’s the most important factor.

Again, you somehow think that Romney is this knight in shining armor who’s going to save us. I’m speaking from the perspective of someone who’s now lived through a lot of presidency’s when I say they are two sides of the same coin. There’s not too much different between the two when all is said and done.

james

[countingbeans]

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

US Debt Crisis: Chart of US Debt History at a Glance

james[/quote]

Wow… Lets play how long it takes to add 4 trillion:

Reagan, Bush I & CLinton = 20 combined
Bush II = 8
Obama = 3

jesus the last 12 years have been a fiscal mess.

[atypical1]

Yeah, Beans, they definitely have. I think that graph really gives a good perspective too because people think it was bad under Reagan but it’s been multiples bad under Bush and Obama. At this point a balanced budget won’t be enough and we’ll have to run a surplus. Neither party is capable of that right now.

james

[xXSeraphimXx]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

1. What part of Obamacare is Romney going to get rid of because he’ not going to repeal the whole thing regardless of what he says in his campaign rhetoric. It’s just not possible to do that.[/quote]

With a republican house and senate Romney can make the entire thing go away. That means he has two chances to do it, 2012, and 2014. So that is one major difference.

2. I cry BS. Every president says that in their campaign and every president raises taxes. What proof do you have that he won’t raise taxes? Historically “no new taxes” is an untenable position and most politicians have to bend somewhere on this issue. So you cut taxes somewhere and raise rates on something else.

Wrong:

Ronald Reagan promised to lower taxes and he did! He lowered them to the lowest that they’ve been in modern day. And guess what? He created 20 million private sector jobs by doing it. Some Presidents do get it. Romney has promised to lower taxes. Obama has promised to raise them. Enough said that is difference number two!

3. Romney is certainly more of a friend to Israel than Obama is…

You conceded the point in this first sentence. That is difference number three!

4. Does Romney claim that in his campaign? OK, so he might try to implement that but there are plenty of welfare recipients who are on welfare because they can’t physically work. This one is going to be a protracted battle that takes a long time to implement and gets a lot of appeals to it.

Wrong again it was done by executive order and can be undone the exact same way. That takes one stroke of the pen. And that is difference number four!

5. Possibly but he would have to buck the trend from the past 30 years. Do you think he’s that guy?

Wrong (again) Bill Clinton and the republican congress balanced the budget! All it takes is will and the ability to negotiate with the other side two things Obama does not have. And Romney has promised to do this. That is difference number five!

Bye.

[/quote]

• So, you are comparing Romney to Reagan?

• There have been multiple threads where the general consensus was, “He might not be the best choice but, he is better than Obama”. So, what exactly makes you think that Romney can do what he “PROMISED”? what makes him so special when most republicans on here believe he is anything but?

[ZEB]

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
With a republican house and senate Romney can make the entire thing go away. That means he has two chances to do it, 2012, and 2014. So that is one major difference.[/quote]

Here’s an interesting article here on his chances to end Obamacare:

Repealing ObamaCare: GOP fantasy or near-certainty?

Again, we won’t know this one until the end but saying you’re going to repeal something and doing it are two different things. People only care about the end result.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Wrong:

Ronald Reagan promised to lower taxes and he did! He lowered them to the lowest that they’ve been in modern day. And guess what? He created 20 million private sector jobs by doing it. Some Presidents do get it. Romney has promised to lower taxes. Obama has promised to raise them. Enough said that is difference number two!
[/quote]

I’ll concede on Reagan. He certainly cut taxes. But he rose the debt by 186% so was it worth it?

http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm

But this is about Romney. He’ll cut taxes but eliminate some deductions so that the end result is the same:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/08/01/620561/tpc-romney-study-taxes/

Again, it’s about what the end result is and if you cut my tax rate but eliminate my deductions and I end up paying more in taxes do you think I will be happy?

[quote]ZEB wrote:

You conceded the point in this first sentence. That is difference number three![/quote]

No, I said that Romney is more of a friend to Israel than Obama. But actions speak louder than words and only time will tell if his policies are any different than Obama’s. I’m saying that the U.S. policy is not going to change.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Wrong again it was done by executive order and can be undone the exact same way. That takes one stroke of the pen. And that is difference number four![/quote]

Again, saying you’re going to do something and doing it are two different things.

[quote] Zeb wrote

Wrong (again) Bill Clinton and the republican congress balanced the budget! All it takes is will and the ability to negotiate with the other side two things Obama does not have. And Romney has promised to do this. That is difference number five![/quote]

The deficit has increased under every president including Clinton and that’s the most important factor.

Again, you somehow think that Romney is this knight in shining armor who’s going to save us. I’m speaking from the perspective of someone who’s now lived through a lot of presidency’s when I say they are two sides of the same coin. There’s not too much different between the two when all is said and done.

james[/quote]

At this point your entire argument has broken down into “no one knows what Romney will do if elected.” And that is no argument at all.

five differences and I gave them to you. And I could have given you probably 20 more.

What do you want now? A crystal ball to see if Romney will do all the things that he’s promised?

Basically, there are almost no similarities between Obama and Romney. You have no argument stop taking up bandwidth.

[ZEB]

[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Yeah, Beans, they definitely have. I think that graph really gives a good perspective too because people think it was bad under Reagan but it’s been multiples bad under Bush and Obama. At this point a balanced budget won’t be enough and we’ll have to run a surplus. Neither party is capable of that right now.

james[/quote]

You cannot even compare GW Bush’s debt with Obama’s.

Bush = 3 trillion in 8 years

Obama = 4 trillion in 4 years. ONE TRILLION FOR EACH YEAR IN OFFICE. A good reason for every person who voted for this catastrophe to hang their head in shame.

Can we predict 4 trillion more if Obama is reelected?

[ZEB]

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

1. What part of Obamacare is Romney going to get rid of because he’ not going to repeal the whole thing regardless of what he says in his campaign rhetoric. It’s just not possible to do that.[/quote]

With a republican house and senate Romney can make the entire thing go away. That means he has two chances to do it, 2012, and 2014. So that is one major difference.

2. I cry BS. Every president says that in their campaign and every president raises taxes. What proof do you have that he won’t raise taxes? Historically “no new taxes” is an untenable position and most politicians have to bend somewhere on this issue. So you cut taxes somewhere and raise rates on something else.

Wrong:

Ronald Reagan promised to lower taxes and he did! He lowered them to the lowest that they’ve been in modern day. And guess what? He created 20 million private sector jobs by doing it. Some Presidents do get it. Romney has promised to lower taxes. Obama has promised to raise them. Enough said that is difference number two!

3. Romney is certainly more of a friend to Israel than Obama is…

You conceded the point in this first sentence. That is difference number three!

4. Does Romney claim that in his campaign? OK, so he might try to implement that but there are plenty of welfare recipients who are on welfare because they can’t physically work. This one is going to be a protracted battle that takes a long time to implement and gets a lot of appeals to it.

Wrong again it was done by executive order and can be undone the exact same way. That takes one stroke of the pen. And that is difference number four!

5. Possibly but he would have to buck the trend from the past 30 years. Do you think he’s that guy?

Wrong (again) Bill Clinton and the republican congress balanced the budget! All it takes is will and the ability to negotiate with the other side two things Obama does not have. And Romney has promised to do this. That is difference number five!

Bye.

[/quote]

• So, you are comparing Romney to Reagan?

• There have been multiple threads where the general consensus was, “He might not be the best choice but, he is better than Obama”. So, what exactly makes you think that Romney can do what he “PROMISED”? what makes him so special when most republicans on here believe he is anything but?
  [/quote]

Let’s get something straight. There was only ONE Ronald Reagan!

As for this election the choice is easy. Romney doesn’t have to be another Ronald Reagan for me to vote for him. All he has to be is better than the inept person that this country chose four years ago. And I believe Romney to be that man.

One final point, anyone who thinks that given four more years that Obama will suddenly become someone who understands the economy and can fix this mess we’re in is deluding himself.

If he could have fixed the economy, or even made reasonable steps in that direction he would have done it by now.

What President would want to face reelection

…with unemployment over 8% for 42 months straight?

…with 43 million people on food stamps?

…with over 100 million people dependent on some sort of government hand out?

…with a national debt of 16 trillion dollars?

Obama is truly clueless I encourage everyone to put party politics aside and vote for anyone other than Obama!

[xXSeraphimXx]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

1. What part of Obamacare is Romney going to get rid of because he’ not going to repeal the whole thing regardless of what he says in his campaign rhetoric. It’s just not possible to do that.[/quote]

With a republican house and senate Romney can make the entire thing go away. That means he has two chances to do it, 2012, and 2014. So that is one major difference.

2. I cry BS. Every president says that in their campaign and every president raises taxes. What proof do you have that he won’t raise taxes? Historically “no new taxes” is an untenable position and most politicians have to bend somewhere on this issue. So you cut taxes somewhere and raise rates on something else.

Wrong:

Ronald Reagan promised to lower taxes and he did! He lowered them to the lowest that they’ve been in modern day. And guess what? He created 20 million private sector jobs by doing it. Some Presidents do get it. Romney has promised to lower taxes. Obama has promised to raise them. Enough said that is difference number two!

3. Romney is certainly more of a friend to Israel than Obama is…

You conceded the point in this first sentence. That is difference number three!

4. Does Romney claim that in his campaign? OK, so he might try to implement that but there are plenty of welfare recipients who are on welfare because they can’t physically work. This one is going to be a protracted battle that takes a long time to implement and gets a lot of appeals to it.

Wrong again it was done by executive order and can be undone the exact same way. That takes one stroke of the pen. And that is difference number four!

5. Possibly but he would have to buck the trend from the past 30 years. Do you think he’s that guy?

Wrong (again) Bill Clinton and the republican congress balanced the budget! All it takes is will and the ability to negotiate with the other side two things Obama does not have. And Romney has promised to do this. That is difference number five!

Bye.

[/quote]

• So, you are comparing Romney to Reagan?

• There have been multiple threads where the general consensus was, “He might not be the best choice but, he is better than Obama”. So, what exactly makes you think that Romney can do what he “PROMISED”? what makes him so special when most republicans on here believe he is anything but?
  [/quote]

Let’s get something straight. There was only ONE Ronald Reagan!

As for this election the choice is easy. Romney doesn’t have to be another Ronald Reagan for me to vote for him. All he has to be is better than the inept person that this country chose four years ago. And I believe Romney to be that man.

One final point, anyone who thinks that given four more years that Obama will suddenly become someone who understands the economy and can fix this mess we’re in is deluding himself.

If he could have fixed the economy, or even made reasonable steps in that direction he would have done it by now.

What President would want to face reelection

…with unemployment over 8% for 42 months straight?

…with 43 million people on food stamps?

…with over 100 million people dependent on some sort of government hand out?

…with a national debt of 16 trillion dollars?

Obama is truly clueless I encourage everyone to put party politics aside and vote for anyone other than Obama!

[/quote]

That is not what I asked. You just stated that anyone is better than Obama. You did not say that Romney is the best choice. I am asking what makes Romney so special that he will actually follow through with his promises when no one is excited about him being the nominee in the first place.

[Mufasa]

…I encourage everyone to put party politics aside…

PLEASE tell me you didn’t type that, Zeb…

(I’m sure it must have been some Alien taking over your Keyboard…)

Mufasa

[UtahLama]

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…I encourage everyone to put party politics aside…

PLEASE tell me you didn’t type that, Zeb…

(I’m sure it must have been some Alien taking over your Keyboard…)

Mufasa [/quote]

That actually made me chuckle in my office…

[pittbulll]

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…I encourage everyone to put party politics aside…

PLEASE tell me you didn’t type that, Zeb…

(I’m sure it must have been some Alien taking over your Keyboard…)

Mufasa [/quote]

I agree but Zeb is rabid , he needs medication

[ZEB]

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…I encourage everyone to put party politics aside…

PLEASE tell me you didn’t type that, Zeb…

(I’m sure it must have been some Alien taking over your Keyboard…)

Mufasa [/quote]

No, actually Mufasa had Obama fixed the economy as he had promised to do I would be voting for him in November. I couldn’t care less what party someone is from. When I hire a new employee the question never gets asked, nor does any question about religion. Nor do I hint around to find out the answer to either quesion.

Know why Mufasa?

Because while I may not be the smartest man in the world I do know a little something about how to succeed.

And…what I care most about is competency.

Now ask yourself these questions, has Obama done what he set out to do? Is unemployment lower? Are there less people on food stamps? Are there less people dependent on government? Is the national debt lower?

The obvious answer to these questions is a resounding NO.

So what the hell is all the debate about?

The man failed. Now let’s hire someone new.

I do it all the time in my business that’s one of the reasons why I succeed.

Simple.

[ZEB]

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…I encourage everyone to put party politics aside…

PLEASE tell me you didn’t type that, Zeb…

(I’m sure it must have been some Alien taking over your Keyboard…)

Mufasa [/quote]

That actually made me chuckle in my office…[/quote]

Odd…most of your posts make me laugh too.

[pittbulll]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…I encourage everyone to put party politics aside…

PLEASE tell me you didn’t type that, Zeb…

(I’m sure it must have been some Alien taking over your Keyboard…)

Mufasa [/quote]

No, actually Mufasa had Obama fixed the economy as he had promised to do I would be voting for him in November. I couldn’t care less what party someone is from. When I hire a new employee the question never gets asked, nor does any question about religion. Nor do I hint around to find out the answer to either quesion.

Know why Mufasa?

Because while I may not be the smartest man in the world I do know a little something about how to succeed.

And…what I care most about is competency.

Now ask yourself these questions, has Obama done what he set out to do? Is unemployment lower? Are there less people on food stamps? Are there less people dependent on government? Is the national debt lower?

The obvious answer to these questions is a resounding NO.

So what the hell is all the debate about?

The man failed. Now let’s hire someone new.

I do it all the time in my business that’s one of the reasons why I succeed.

Simple.[/quote]

yes Zeb unemployment is lower

[ZEB]

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

That is not what I asked. You just stated that anyone is better than Obama. You did not say that Romney is the best choice. [/quote]

You’d have to be the simplist person to ever lay hand to keyboard to actually not know the answer to that question. Personally, I don’t think you are that dumb. But I’m going to humor you anyway.

Here is the shortened version because giving this more time would be foolish

• Has vast executive experience as Governor and running the Olympics. This tells me that he knows how to delegate and get things done. This is what we need more than ever in this country. Direction and sound leadership. It has been said that Senators do not make good Presidents and that is why only two of them in modern day have been elected to the highest office in the land. They do not have that executive experience. In Obama’s case he has virtually no experience. Romney as I just pointed out has a great deal of experience.

-Made 300 million dollars in the private and unlike the “I hate rich people just because bullshit” this will actually help him understand the private sector as President. He’s already shown a sound understanding of how the private sector works. Good long term jobs are NOT make shift government jobs. They come from the private sector. But you know that right?

Finally, I feel that his choice of Paul Ryan as VP while not a smart political choice (in my opinion) is a very wise choice to help him govern. No one knows more about the budget process than Paul Ryan. He has a good understanding of economics and will actually be able to do some heavy lifting. Unlike Joe Biden who sits there and if he doesn’t droll gets a cookie.

I hope that pointing out the obvious has helped answer your most important question.

[ZEB]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…I encourage everyone to put party politics aside…

PLEASE tell me you didn’t type that, Zeb…

(I’m sure it must have been some Alien taking over your Keyboard…)

Mufasa [/quote]

I agree but Zeb is rabid , he needs medication :)[/quote]

All you really have to do is refute just one of my points.

But it’s far easier to call someone “rabid” than to get to specifics.

That’s what you do best…generalities. And most of the people around here let you get away with it.

Not me.

[ZEB]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…I encourage everyone to put party politics aside…

PLEASE tell me you didn’t type that, Zeb…

(I’m sure it must have been some Alien taking over your Keyboard…)

Mufasa [/quote]

No, actually Mufasa had Obama fixed the economy as he had promised to do I would be voting for him in November. I couldn’t care less what party someone is from. When I hire a new employee the question never gets asked, nor does any question about religion. Nor do I hint around to find out the answer to either quesion.

Know why Mufasa?

Because while I may not be the smartest man in the world I do know a little something about how to succeed.

And…what I care most about is competency.

Now ask yourself these questions, has Obama done what he set out to do? Is unemployment lower? Are there less people on food stamps? Are there less people dependent on government? Is the national debt lower?

The obvious answer to these questions is a resounding NO.

So what the hell is all the debate about?

The man failed. Now let’s hire someone new.

I do it all the time in my business that’s one of the reasons why I succeed.

Simple.[/quote]

yes Zeb unemployment is lower
[/quote]

I get tired of correcting you Pitt.

But take a look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics chart below. When Bush left office unemployment was 7.8%, it is now 8.3%.

Now I know why you never talk specifics, it’s because whenever you try you are wrong!

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

[UtahLama]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…I encourage everyone to put party politics aside…

PLEASE tell me you didn’t type that, Zeb…

(I’m sure it must have been some Alien taking over your Keyboard…)

Mufasa [/quote]

That actually made me chuckle in my office…[/quote]

Odd…most of your posts make me laugh too. [/quote]

Easy there tiger, that was not meant as a dig at you…you need to relax good sir, not everybody is upset.

If you cannot laugh at yourself, then the battle is lost.

[Mufasa]

…No, actually Mufasa had Obama fixed the economy as he had promised to do I would be voting for him in November…

I actually tuned-out after you typed that, Zeb.

Mufasa

[ZEB]

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…I encourage everyone to put party politics aside…

PLEASE tell me you didn’t type that, Zeb…

(I’m sure it must have been some Alien taking over your Keyboard…)

Mufasa [/quote]

That actually made me chuckle in my office…[/quote]

Odd…most of your posts make me laugh too. [/quote]

Easy there tiger, that was not meant as a dig at you…you need to relax good sir, not everybody is upset.

If you cannot laugh at yourself, then the battle is lost.
[/quote]

Well, I could have corrected you and your pal Mufasa and said that you have both assumed that because I am a republican that I would vote for any republican. When in fact it is the other way around. I am a republican because I have seen republicans do more to help the economy between the two parties. I have seen over my (long–ouch) adult life that democrats usually do not fix any economy that they rule over. I’ve stated specifics in the past, LBJ. Jimmy Carter and now Obama to name three. And even given various states where liberals have ruled over a period of years, California and New York to name two.

I vote for what succeeds. Should a democrat succeed in the capacity of getting the economy to work I would vote for that man. Obama has failed and he should be replaced.

To be more clear if we had a difference system and he was running against Hillary Clinton I would be her biggest advocate.

Do what works and get rid of those who are inept.

Simple.