who thinks with everything thats gone on and surround him that
he’s a good president? hell no
he’s even american born? maybe but doubt it. think proving it pre election should be mandated!
even a leader? hell no
socialist? hell yes
umm okay, really? a new thread started just for that?
So, how 'bout them Packers?
I’m thinking they’ll go 13-3 maybe. Should be a good first one, Seahawks right?
The “G-Men” are still NFC East favorites.
(I think that most pundits are tired of picking the Cowboys pre-season).
Mufasa
What the Eagles are able to accomplish should also be interesting.
Vick and Coach Reid are on a shorter and shorter leash.
Mufasa
The Eagles are at an interesting place this year for sure.
“Dream Team” my ass. LOL
I just hope the Pats can field a D this year.
My thoughts on Obama, sure:
How about your thoughts on Romney?
Mine? He’s a conservative with some strange religious beliefs.
On one hand conservatives bash Obama care, but what about Romney care?
Bash Obama on national security, but I remember Romney talking about not caring about Osama Bin Laden, and saying our efforts should be spend doing other things…
Romney talking about bolstering the military, same guy who dodged the Vietnam draft, who’s family has never entered military service, even during ww2 when 70% of men went to war. Guess what? Obama’s grandfather was a ww2 vet, but I guess that isn’t good enough.
Romney, lets do George W. Bush all over again. At least I’ll know to invest my money in gold, that way when the market crashes again, I won’t lose my ass again.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
How about your thoughts on Romney?
Mine? He’s a conservative with some strange religious beliefs.
On one hand conservatives bash Obama care, but what about Romney care?
Bash Obama on national security, but I remember Romney talking about not caring about Osama Bin Laden, and saying our efforts should be spend doing other things…
Romney talking about bolstering the military, same guy who dodged the Vietnam draft, who’s family has never entered military service, even during ww2 when 70% of men went to war. Guess what? Obama’s grandfather was a ww2 vet, but I guess that isn’t good enough.
Romney, lets do George W. Bush all over again. At least I’ll know to invest my money in gold, that way when the market crashes again, I won’t lose my ass again. [/quote]
Please do not take the thread off topic.
Severiano,
I’m pretty sure Romney is “Conservative” for the purposes of this election only, historically he has been center to center-left (but that won’t get him elected in this GOP climate), so I can only guess that he is full of shit and is busy saying and doing anything he can to get elected.
andy. steven,
My thoughts on Obama are pretty much summed up like this:
I hoped for single payer/government run healthcare, I got some nasty hybrid that leaved the insurance companies in control.
I hoped for tighter regulation and oversight on banks (the banks that we bailed out), but it is the same old same old.
I hoped for the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts, they got an extension.
I was hoping for a president that would try to un-fuck the middle class, I did not get that.
I hoped for Gitmo to close it is still open.
Troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq, they’re still there.
All in all I have been disappointed by the lack of progress for my extremely liberal agenda, but I do believe he will be able to push a lot of this through in the next 4 years.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Severiano,
I’m pretty sure Romney is “Conservative” for the purposes of this election only, historically he has been center to center-left (but that won’t get him elected in this GOP climate),[/quote]
How many center left Governors reduce taxes 19 times? He also got rid of regulation on small business lefty’s don’t do that they love high taxes and regulation that chokes business growth.
You mean like your hero Obama? He travelled the countryside “hope and change…hope and change…” And what has he given us? 5 Trillion more in debt and 38 straight months of unemployment over 8% the longest since the great depression.
You didn’t quite get the full blown socialism that you wanted. And by the time the Supreme Court is done you won’t have any of it. 
Yeah we need to keep squeezing the banks it isn’t quite hard enough for a small business to get a loan. But I think more regulation will help that…no wait I guess it won’t.
So you’re just left of Bill Clinton who thinks they should be extended again! You want to raise taxes on the job creators in the middle of a horrble economy? Well, you may get your wish but I doubt it as it will have to pass Congress and if the republicans are in control everyone will lose their 5% reduction or no one will. If he does raise taxes on everyone next year (providing he wins) that will send us into another recession.
Only you know what that means like much of your blather.
[quote]I hoped for Gitmo to close it is still open.
Troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq, they’re still there.[/quote]
He lied to the left wing nuts like you to get elected. How does that feel by the way?
[quote]All in all I have been disappointed by the lack of progress for my extremely liberal agenda, but I do believe he will be able to push a lot of this through in the next 4 years.
[/quote]
He may surprise us all if he gets another four years. But I bet you won’t like it any more than you did the first four.
Severiano
I have two grandfathers that served in WW2, one for the US and one for Germany. Their military service to each of their respected countries is irrelivant to my loyalties. Yes I love the USA and yes I love Germany, i lived there for 6 years. My grandfather having served against the US in WW2 for the Nazi party does not make me a Nazi, neither does my grandfather serving for the US make me a patriot. All it means is my family has a history.
Bottom line is, in my opinion, the far left in the US is opposed to the American Dream. Why would anyone want to lesson our rights and take away from our Constitution? Prime example Gun Control… right to bear arms is to protect us against foreign invasion, as a check and balance to tyranical rule by our own government, and to provide a means of survival, personal protection, and heritage.
Many Northern European countries require military service of 2 years and issue each man a weapon for life, as well as allowing citizens to buy automatic weapons. Contrary to common belief American citizens do own full automatic weapons legally and illegally. IF YOU PASS A LAW, ONLY THE LAW ABIDING CITIZEN WILL FOLLOW IT, THE CRIMINALS COULD CARE LESS! And anyone who is naive enough to believe that we could NEVER be invaded or NEVER have a revolution is utterly stupid and has no knowledge of history.
I AM not saying those thing will happen anytime soon or that they ever again will BUT our forefathers went through it against ENGLAND who was the world power with no close second. They saw it fit to have a safe fall just in case the ruing majority abuses their power. At this point we should all be smart enough to know and learn from History because it repeats itself.
An honestly I would take a G. Bush over any Obama! Yes he had his faults as does everyone, president or not, however he loves the USA, had us growing, did nt renew useless gun laws that did NOTHING at all, and whether we were right or wrong for thewar on terror i know this much IM GLAD TERRORIST AROUND THE WORLD KNOW THAT THE UNITED STATES WILL NOT TOLERATE ATTACKS ON OUR CITIZENS OR WITHIN OUR BORDERS, AND THAT WE WILL HUNT THEM DOWN AND MAKE THEM PAY FOR THEIR CRIMES.
As President Roosevelt said “Walk softly, but carry a big stick.”
Romney may not be any better but another four of Obama and we will all know socialism… I just love to bust my ass all week and travel all over the world doing business, just to get back and have half of the money I earned for my young family to go to some worthless, lazy, piece of shit, who is illegal, still crying about their forefathers being slaves, or has the poor me syndrome or beliving its owed to them.
YES we should support our citizens that actually need and require assistance but illegals and no goods, fuck them, I dont owe them shit! neither do you! I earned my position, I went to school, I busted my ass working full time at my own small business to put myself thru school, i earned this. Giving my money to undeserving people is Treason against every hard working american.
My thoughts on Obama… He received the nobel prize but hadn’t done a damn thing yet to earn it.
He copied Bush and used emergency moneys for bailouts. While this saved auto companies, I’m not for one class of people (corporations) living by one set of rules and civilians living by another. It bugged the shit out of me, still does even though I understand it was necessary and for auto companies it turned out to be a success.
The ambiguity when it comes to state and federal law leaving certain people in limbo, and vulnerable to federal government raids and such for participating in things that are legal according to state law.
That the Dems are just as bad as the Repubs when it comes to being in the back pocket of corporations and their interests. While Romney has taken fundraising to another level, it’s conveniently a problem and a highlighted issue only because he has taken it to another level.
If I took the thread off track with the earlier post, I was only doing so because the forums are FOCUSED on bashing Obama and praising that weirdo Romney.
ZEB,
If I left a pair of underwear laying around would you take it home and sniff it a lot or would you actually wear it? Having a stalker is neat.
Severiano,
ok i see your point now, I think Romney needs no praise and Obama, well people need to look at the whole picture. free this and free that is fine in theory but does any truly communist or socalist country ever prosper as a whole? no… looks good on paper but doesnt work. theory is great tho. The far left mind set or far right are lunatics in their own rights and are extremists. balance is the key to everything.
The world is at a balance from the sun, closer or farther were dead, our bodies are balanced, balance is out of wack it causes death, too many cattle grazing grass is gone cattle die, endless examples but bottom line is the only way to survive is BALANCE
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Severiano,
I’m pretty sure Romney is “Conservative” for the purposes of this election only, historically he has been center to center-left (but that won’t get him elected in this GOP climate),[/quote]
How many center left Governors reduce taxes 19 times? He also got rid of regulation on small business lefty’s don’t do that they love high taxes and regulation that chokes business growth.
You mean like your hero Obama? He travelled the countryside “hope and change…hope and change…” And what has he given us? 5 Trillion more in debt and 38 straight months of unemployment over 8% the longest since the great depression.
You didn’t quite get the full blown socialism that you wanted. And by the time the Supreme Court is done you won’t have any of it.
Yeah we need to keep squeezing the banks it isn’t quite hard enough for a small business to get a loan. But I think more regulation will help that…no wait I guess it won’t.
So you’re just left of Bill Clinton who thinks they should be extended again! You want to raise taxes on the job creators in the middle of a horrble economy? Well, you may get your wish but I doubt it as it will have to pass Congress and if the republicans are in control everyone will lose their 5% reduction or no one will. If he does raise taxes on everyone next year (providing he wins) that will send us into another recession.
Only you know what that means like much of your blather.
[quote]I hoped for Gitmo to close it is still open.
Troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq, they’re still there.[/quote]
He lied to the left wing nuts like you to get elected. How does that feel by the way?
[quote]All in all I have been disappointed by the lack of progress for my extremely liberal agenda, but I do believe he will be able to push a lot of this through in the next 4 years.
[/quote]
He may surprise us all if he gets another four years. But I bet you won’t like it any more than you did the first four. [/quote]
ZEB
got to say Im liking your responses. Your a true rational American with common sense!
I think Brian’s sentiment sums up what I think most folks that voted (except the rabidly clueless) for Obama feel: They HOPED for a bunch of shit but didnt get it and now they need to CHANGE their vote
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
How about your thoughts on Romney?
Mine? He’s a conservative with some strange religious beliefs.
On one hand conservatives bash Obama care, but what about Romney care?
Bash Obama on national security, but I remember Romney talking about not caring about Osama Bin Laden, and saying our efforts should be spend doing other things…
Romney talking about bolstering the military, same guy who dodged the Vietnam draft, who’s family has never entered military service, even during ww2 when 70% of men went to war. Guess what? Obama’s grandfather was a ww2 vet, but I guess that isn’t good enough.
Romney, lets do George W. Bush all over again. At least I’ll know to invest my money in gold, that way when the market crashes again, I won’t lose my ass again. [/quote]
Please do not take the thread off topic.[/quote]
For real, what does this have to do with the PAckers?
[quote]andy.steven wrote:
Severiano,
ok i see your point now, I think Romney needs no praise and Obama, well people need to look at the whole picture. free this and free that is fine in theory but does any truly communist or socalist country ever prosper as a whole? no… looks good on paper but doesnt work. theory is great tho. The far left mind set or far right are lunatics in their own rights and are extremists. balance is the key to everything.
The world is at a balance from the sun, closer or farther were dead, our bodies are balanced, balance is out of wack it causes death, too many cattle grazing grass is gone cattle die, endless examples but bottom line is the only way to survive is BALANCE[/quote]
I agree completely about balance, but you seem to be implying that Obama is a “communist or socialist.” This isn’t an attack on you individually, because that line of thinking is par for the course on this board, but I have to comment briefly:
Anyone who claims Obama to be a socialist/communist is either mistaken about Obama’s politics or about the fundamental characteristics of socialism (and probably both). That the two are so often (speciously) equated is a problem for both Obama and for our contemporary understanding of one of the 20th century’s most important and destructive political ideologies (which is being diluted and euphemized in much the same way as the term ‘fascist’).
A socialist economy is characterized most prominently by complete or substantial public ownership of the means of production (and also distribution and exchange)–i.e., the nationalization of industry. From that point the economy may be to some significant degree “planned”–that is, the satisfaction of society’s various material needs is the direct goal of production rather than an indirect byproduct of the profit motive.
The above is not an accurate description of either Barack Obama’s record or of his stated aims. In fact, Obama and Romney and whoever else you’d like to throw into the mix are all advocates of the exact same economic system-- a form of government-regulated capitalism. The differences between them are matters of magnitude and degree: Obama would like more market regulation and higher taxes on high-income individuals coupled with more spending on the social safety net. Romney would like the opposite. Neither of them wants to do away with the entire economic system as it is.
Which is not to say that there aren’t differences. And Obama’s desire to tick the tax rate up three points on the wealthy is not insignificant. Neither is his support of the so-called Buffet Rule. They undoubtedly put Obama to Romney’s left. But they do not make him a socialist. To say so is to lie about Obama and to be flippant with an ideology that claimed million of lives in the recent past.