NYPD's Finest?

[quote]NDM wrote:
To be an IA guy you first have to be a regular cop. That’s to keep people like you out of IA. They want people that actually know something about policing. You being in IA would be like me giving you advice on your golf swing. [/quote]

I know what it takes to be one hence I havent tried it.

And yes, they need more impartial people in the IA. Too easy of a situation for nepotism…

Thats why they select a jury that doesnt have any affiliation with either the defendant or the plantiff.

[quote]NDM wrote:
I could understand they were afraid and tried to run. That doesn’t make what the cops did wrong though. [/quote]

My head is about to explode.

How the fucking fuck can you hold both of these ideas to be true simultaneously?

Wait, Go Heavy, is that you?

I’m sorry. Unless proven otherwise I’m on the NYPD officers side. I can’t believe that these officers would be so negligent in there job that they would shoot someone 50 times for no reason.

Its my understanding that this guy tried to hit the cop with his car multiple times. If that was the case then he got everything he deserved.

[quote]five-twelve wrote:
I’m sorry. Unless proven otherwise I’m on the NYPD officers side. I can’t believe that these officers would be so negligent in there job that they would shoot someone 50 times for no reason.

Its my understanding that this guy tried to hit the cop with his car multiple times. If that was the case then he got everything he deserved.
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Dude, you are sooo late to the party.

You might want to read at least the last page of this thread to broaden your understanding.

This thread makes me want to kick a dog.

[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
five-twelve wrote:
I’m sorry. Unless proven otherwise I’m on the NYPD officers side. I can’t believe that these officers would be so negligent in there job that they would shoot someone 50 times for no reason.

Its my understanding that this guy tried to hit the cop with his car multiple times. If that was the case then he got everything he deserved.

Dude, you are sooo late to the party.

You might want to read at least the last page of this thread to broaden your understanding.[/quote]

are there strippers at this party?

[quote]Shaved wrote:
This thread makes me want to kick a dog. [/quote]

Please dont. If there is anything I hate more than authority figures abusing their powers its animal abuse.

I’ve seen decapitations, executions, people being blown away, etc. but I cannot handle animal abuse. Thats like child abuse. Both helpless and rely on adults.

[quote]Shaved wrote:
This thread makes me want to kick a dog. [/quote]

… or a small blind orphan while it is opening its first Christmas present which happens to be a single lego piece.


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[quote]Shaved wrote:
NDM wrote:
Yea yea yea, he thought he was getting jacked. Whatever.

Gee thanks for addressing the issue.

Does that honestly not make sense to you?

  1. Bad neighborhood
  2. Pitch dark (assumption)
  3. Stopped half a block away from the bar
  4. Start to be surounded by men

If that happened to me, I would try to drive away from the scene as fast as possible, and I would be riddled with bullets.

I just want you to address this seriously. Is it that hard to imagine that these men had no idea they were cops. Is it that hard to imagine that they thought they were in trouble and tried to get away?
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i’m walking home late one night and decide to take a shortcut through an area which i know is relatively rough and tumble. while walking along, someone jumps out of the bushes in a threatening and menacing fashion…my survival instincts take over…because i value my safety, well being, and life. I do what i have to do to get the fuck out of there safely with my life intact, no matter what happens to the other fellow (if i could not run), whom i perceive to be a threat.

now, if this same guy walks out of the bushes 50 feet up the walk from me and clearly identifies himself as an officer…i’m pretty sure i’d react differently.

the only thoughts i have on the matter.
if they clearly identified themselves…there is no issue. if they did not…you can’t blame the guys in the car for trying to get the fuck out of dodge.

common sense.

[quote]five-twelve wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:
five-twelve wrote:
I’m sorry. Unless proven otherwise I’m on the NYPD officers side. I can’t believe that these officers would be so negligent in there job that they would shoot someone 50 times for no reason.

Its my understanding that this guy tried to hit the cop with his car multiple times. If that was the case then he got everything he deserved.

Dude, you are sooo late to the party.

You might want to read at least the last page of this thread to broaden your understanding.

are there strippers at this party?
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LOL!

Well, there are now, dammit!

Thanks for the suggestion!

[quote]juice20jd wrote:

now, if this same guy walks out of the bushes 50 feet up the walk from me and clearly identifies himself as an officer…i’m pretty sure i’d react differently.

the only thoughts i have on the matter.
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He didn’t clearly identify himself as an officer. So that means your first example rings true.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
NDM wrote:
I’ve addressed the issue several times, to several different people. I don’t see why I have to address everyone with the same issue personally. I could understand they were afraid and tried to run. That doesn’t make what the cops did wrong though. The cops life WAS in danger, and he reacted.

Why is this so hard to understand? This isn’t the best possible outcome, I agree, but the cops aren’t wrong for doing what they did. Sometimes things go bad and you can’t control it.

What you are saying, implicitly, is that citizens have no right to self defense or self-preservation. Yes, the officer DID do something wrong IF he threatened a man without identifying himself as an officer. You don’t get a free pass. You can’t fuck the whole thing up, get yourself into a life-threatening situation because people think you’re a regular Joe, and then open fire without so much as yelling “police.”

I don’t know what happened that night, so I am withholding judgment. I am only commenting on the specific situation you brought up in your post.[/quote]

In this particular post, yea, I was very blunt. Another poster who seemed to agree with the OP said that the first officer had his badge out in the open when he approached the car. You would think the driver would see that.

[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
NDM wrote:
I could understand they were afraid and tried to run. That doesn’t make what the cops did wrong though.

My head is about to explode.

How the fucking fuck can you hold both of these ideas to be true simultaneously?

Wait, Go Heavy, is that you?[/quote]

Both parties thought the other person was going to kill them. They both had “the right” to protect themselves, if the officer DID NOT identify himself. In either case, I don’t think what anyone did was “wrong”. If the cop did identify himself, then Sean Bell was wrong. No matter what, the police responded how they should have to the situation. Do you understand now? Or do I have to get my 6 year old niece to explain it to you?

[quote]NDM wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:
NDM wrote:
I could understand they were afraid and tried to run. That doesn’t make what the cops did wrong though.

My head is about to explode.

How the fucking fuck can you hold both of these ideas to be true simultaneously?

Wait, Go Heavy, is that you?

Both parties thought the other person was going to kill them. They both had “the right” to protect themselves, if the officer DID NOT identify himself. In either case, I don’t think what anyone did was “wrong”. If the cop did identify himself, then Sean Bell was wrong. No matter what, the police responded how they should have to the situation. Do you understand now? Or do I have to get my 6 year old niece to explain it to you?

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Dude, if it does come to light that the police did NOT identify themselves before it was too late (something that was clearly not mentioned in the very long and detailed verbal description given in the video with that article), then they are at fault if they kill some guys for reacting to what they thought was a threat on their own lives.

I personally don’t know your experiences in life. However, I do know if I were in that situation and a guy in regular clothes began to circle my car, I would expect a confrontation. It makes little sense that a cop from inside the club doing undercover work was now so clearly a “cop” upon exiting the club. The reaction of the guys as far as how they tried to get away screams that they were trying to get away from a situation quickly. That would make little sense if they understood they were simply about to be questioned by cops.

I just don’t see how that wouldn’t be the first possible scenario that would pop into someone’s head over this. It would take some major massaging of the facts and stereotyping to think that these guys, one about to be married the next day, decided they would just run over a cop for no damn reason. One scenario simply makes more sense than the other one.

Sure, we still need all of the facts, but blind following of whatever cops say in situations that seem to be telling us something else is just plain stupid.

That doesn’t have anything to do with cop hatred.

These guys had a verbal confrontation outside of a club where the words, “yo, go get my gun” were a part of the exchange. Nothing physical even happened. No one got hit. Please explain to me when it is the cop’s job to get involved when no one called them, no gun was actually seen, and no punches were actually thrown all because of talk.

It sounds like the cops got bored with their strip club investigation and decided to turn all of their attention on these guys and overreacted. If that is what happened, how is it wrong to shine a light on it? I now have to worry about every word uttered publicly for fear that a cop may take it the wrong way undercover?

If the officer held his badge in the air and screamed “POLICE, POLICE” and the people in the car clearly heard him then they certainly shouldn’t have rammed the cop and also the car.

The way they did things though, I can see a lot of room for confusion.

[quote]Shaved wrote:
If the officer held his badge in the air and screamed “POLICE, POLICE” and the people in the car clearly heard him then they certainly shouldn’t have rammed the cop and also the car.

The way they did things though, I can see a lot of room for confusion.[/quote]

But you have to ask WHY a cop would be confronting these guys at all. If no one was hurt in the exchange outside of the club, and they were now in their car and driving away, why was a cop getting into the situation at that point? Why would he be walking from behind them to the very front of their car? Why would he break his cover when the real threat (the exchange outside of the club) was over?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
But you have to ask WHY a cop would be confronting these guys at all. If no one was hurt in the exchange outside of the club, and they were now in their car and driving away, why was a cop getting into the situation at that point? Why would he be walking from behind them to the very front of their car? Why would he break his cover when the real threat (the exchange outside of the club) was over?[/quote]

Good point but I’ll think they’ll say, and they may have just cause, to stop him because they had “information” he had a gun.

Is it a crime to keep a gun in your vehicle in NYC?