http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/01/new-year-blood-in-new-orleans.html
Interesting story. As a citizen who carries on a daily basis I have consistently felt more afraid of police than of violent criminals. That is part of the reason I went from open carry to concealed carry.
What are your thoughts on plainclothes cops and arresting procedures?
mike
It’s outrageous that a police out of uniform would follow the same procedures he would when in uniform.
If a man or men approach me, in plain clothes, I’m assuming they are not cops. If they attempt to get into some type of altercation with me or my loved ones, I’m assuming they are not cops and I will take whatever steps I need to take to protect myself or those around me.
Taken from the article:
“It should be recognized that officers dressed like common street thugs will be seen as street thugs by the citizen.”
EXACTLY!!!
When the fuck are police departments going to realize this??? It’s COMMON SENSE.
Wasn’t there a story out of Houston a couple years ago when a few plain clothes cops jumped a 12 year old girl(turns out she was definitely not the perp they were looking for). So she resisted, and her father came to her aid, OBVIOUSLY… Weeks later she was arrested for assaulting an officer and so was the father. And the precinct backed the cops up for what they did.
It drives me up the wall.
Good thing bad guys would never lie and say “I’m a cop!”, or anything like that…
Duh.
Plaiclothes officers should ALWAYS have to have uniformed backup if they are going to arrest someone.
Citizens should police themselves and fire all the cops.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Citizens should police themselves and fire all the cops.[/quote]
Gee, let’s try holding police officers acountable for their actions before we try that idea.
New Orleans has long been on my never to visit list. They have always had one of the most corrupt police forces ever. Look at the shit they did during hurricane Katrina.
Having said that, I feel for the family and that poor fatherless child.
Get a gun permit to protect yourself from criminals and the cops shoot you dead instead. That’s some serious fucked up shit!
[quote]MrRezister wrote:
Good thing bad guys would never lie and say “I’m a cop!”, or anything like that…
Duh.
Plaiclothes officers should ALWAYS have to have uniformed backup if they are going to arrest someone.[/quote]
Absolutely agree, there should always be a uniformed officer to make the official arrest unless the situation is life threatening.
How many of you are trained Law Enforcement Professionals? It does not sound like any of you are. The reason for me saying this is that you all are spouting off about what plain clothes officers do, and it sounds as if you have no idea what the training is for plain clothes officers. If you knew what training they had, you would not be saying the things you have.
As in all aspects of life, there will always be those who think they know a better way. There will be those who ignore their training and act out on their own. Thankfully, there are ways of bringing them to justice. Of course you are all probably the same people who think the Justice System is flawed as well, so, it will be pointless to state that those who act outside the scope of their authority will be dealt with accordingly. The wheels of justice are slow, but thankfully they are there.
[quote]Bigd1970 wrote:
How many of you are trained Law Enforcement Professionals? It does not sound like any of you are. The reason for me saying this is that you all are spouting off about what plain clothes officers do, and it sounds as if you have no idea what the training is for plain clothes officers. If you knew what training they had, you would not be saying the things you have.
As in all aspects of life, there will always be those who think they know a better way. There will be those who ignore their training and act out on their own. Thankfully, there are ways of bringing them to justice. Of course you are all probably the same people who think the Justice System is flawed as well, so, it will be pointless to state that those who act outside the scope of their authority will be dealt with accordingly. The wheels of justice are slow, but thankfully they are there.[/quote]
Actually I am a LEO. As far as plain clothes procedures goes you have a badge around your neck(which could never be faked) and possibly a color of the day or a challenge word intended to verify your identity to uniformed officers. Just because someone pulls out a badge and points gun in plainclothes does not mean they are a cop. You live in Cali, surely people use fake badges to make bogus traffic stops even home invasions just like they do here.
You are absolutely correct, we even have people using fake police cars.
I also agree that plain clothes officer’s have an obligation to make their identity known as soon as possible when acting in their official capacity, and especially when escalating the use of force.
My point was that it is ridiculous for people to make statements about law enforcement training and procedures when their sole basis for the belief is on something they saw on the news, watched in a Television Show, or saw once in a movie.
I work close to the Bay Area, and we are getting a lot of the we hate the Police and get rid of the Police stuff right now. Of course most of it is being fueled by local media. I personally do not agree with what the Officer did, but I say let the Justice system work. Don’t put him on trial and convict him before he even gets his day in court.
Altering reports, changing the circumstances of an incident, planting evidence, these things make for a good movie, but in actuality do not happen as frequently as the media would have everyone believe. In the day of video cameras in everyones pockets, Officers should be even more so than ever before aware of their surroundings and operating in an impartial and ethical manner.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Citizens should police themselves and fire all the cops.
Gee, let’s try holding police officers acountable for their actions before we try that idea.[/quote]
No such luck. They are never accountable for ANYTHING!
[quote]Bigd1970 wrote:
How many of you are trained Law Enforcement Professionals? It does not sound like any of you are. The reason for me saying this is that you all are spouting off about what plain clothes officers do, and it sounds as if you have no idea what the training is for plain clothes officers. If you knew what training they had, you would not be saying the things you have.
As in all aspects of life, there will always be those who think they know a better way. There will be those who ignore their training and act out on their own. Thankfully, there are ways of bringing them to justice. Of course you are all probably the same people who think the Justice System is flawed as well, so, it will be pointless to state that those who act outside the scope of their authority will be dealt with accordingly. The wheels of justice are slow, but thankfully they are there.[/quote]
I can tell you this. Most police officers are trouble makers of the highest order, especially the plain clothed ones. Plus they get paid to put non criminals in jail.
Anyone in society who becomes a cop is an obvious loser.
Is that based on personal experience? Millions of people would disagree with you.
Which Academy did you fail?
[quote]Bigd1970 wrote:
Is that based on personal experience? Millions of people would disagree with you.
[/quote]
Why would a good person take a job enforcing evil laws?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Bigd1970 wrote:
How many of you are trained Law Enforcement Professionals? It does not sound like any of you are. The reason for me saying this is that you all are spouting off about what plain clothes officers do, and it sounds as if you have no idea what the training is for plain clothes officers. If you knew what training they had, you would not be saying the things you have.
As in all aspects of life, there will always be those who think they know a better way. There will be those who ignore their training and act out on their own.
Thankfully, there are ways of bringing them to justice. Of course you are all probably the same people who think the Justice System is flawed as well, so, it will be pointless to state that those who act outside the scope of their authority will be dealt with accordingly. The wheels of justice are slow, but thankfully they are there.
I can tell you this. Most police officers are trouble makers of the highest order, especially the plain clothed ones. Plus they get paid to put non criminals in jail.
Anyone in society who becomes a cop is an obvious loser.[/quote]
Nice sweeping generalization. Although, what else should be expected from someone with the mental capacity of a 12 year old.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Bigd1970 wrote:
Is that based on personal experience? Millions of people would disagree with you.
Why would a good person take a job enforcing evil laws?[/quote]
Like laws against rape, assault, burglary, robbery, theft …
Surely that is a joke or you need to up your dose.
[quote]JD430 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Bigd1970 wrote:
Is that based on personal experience? Millions of people would disagree with you.
Why would a good person take a job enforcing evil laws?
Like laws against rape, assault, burglary, robbery, theft …
Surely that is a joke or you need to up your dose.
[/quote]
Where does it equate that no cops mean crimes will quit being punished?
You think crimes went unpunished before the invention of the modern day police state?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
JD430 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote
Where does it equate that no cops mean crimes will quit being punished?
You think crimes went unpunished before the invention of the modern day police state?[/quote]
True. Previously it was left up to the whims of the warlord or the tribal leaders. Once in a while they would stone somebody who deserved it I guess. Often however, it didn’t work out too fairly. I hear they still do such things in Somalia so maybe you could take your laptop and your pseudo-
anarchism there and see how it works out.
I’m not saying this system is perfect. I actually
believe we as police are mis-used and over-used. However, let’s not pretend that there are so many more workable solutions…especially given the size and complexity of our societies now.
[quote]Bigd1970 wrote:
How many of you are trained Law Enforcement Professionals? It does not sound like any of you are. The reason for me saying this is that you all are spouting off about what plain clothes officers do, and it sounds as if you have no idea what the training is for plain clothes officers.
If you knew what training they had, you would not be saying the things you have.
As in all aspects of life, there will always be those who think they know a better way. There will be those who ignore their training and act out on their own.
Thankfully, there are ways of bringing them to justice. Of course you are all probably the same people who think the Justice System is flawed as well, so, it will be pointless to state that those who act outside the scope of their authority will be dealt with accordingly. The wheels of justice are slow, but thankfully they are there.[/quote]
It’s hilarious that you think that cops will be brought to justice after they’ve committed wrongdoing. When’s the last time a cop was brought to justice when they committed wrongdoing–even fatal?
What happens 9 times out of 10 is they get a change of venue or bench trial and walk away with a slap on the wrist.
If police officers nationwide had a track record of not protecting the corrupt bad apples in their midst, of not helping them lie and of not perverting justice at every opportunity I’d be inclined to agree with you.
Unfortunately your idealism about your chosen profession has blinded you to the fact that when cops fuck up they’re not punished for it.
I have to disagree with you, I see Officer’s punished for their misdeeds quite a bit. I have even conducted a few of those misguided investigations on Officer’s.
So, to have you imply that I would somehow be dishonest in my investigations, is a slap in my face. I seek the truth, if it happened, it happened, if it did not, then it did not.
The unfortunate thing is that many of the cases brought against officer’s are brought out by those who would benefit most by slandering the Officer’s name. Most of those investigations turn out to be nothing more than a thug trying to get over on the Po Po.
Did I run into Officer’s who you described as protecting other Officer’s, yes. But no more than the Adam Henry Civilian who does not want to get involved when they were the best witness to a Rape, because it may interfere with their busy schedule.
Lets face it society is just messed up, and we can have anarchy, or Officer’s who are willing to give up their lives to protect you and your family.