NY Thug Versus Arizona Trucker

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]

Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.

I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]

What a tool.

Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.

Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.

There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.

Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.

You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]

What are you babbling about DoubleDouche, you don’t think shooting that scrawny little man for a girly swing would have been over the top?

Especially for a guy as big as bauber?
[/quote]

Does the guy have a knife? does he have a gun? Does he have aids? No man should be forced to take that risk.

And I was also referring to you ignorant stereotyping bigoted derogatory insults. Are all people in Portugal as much a bigot as you, or should I not file this as a negative reflection on your country and instead as just one idiot.[/quote]

Where do you draw the line?
What if some punk looking kid comes to me and says “hey dude got a lighter”? should I just answer “yeah I got just the thing to light you up” and then shoot him in the kneecap because I don’t want to take risks?
Actually, this sounds kinda cool now that I think about it.

Bottom line is, a punch doesn’t warrant going Frank Castle on someone.

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[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]

Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.

I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]

What a tool.

Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.

Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.

There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.

Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.

You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]

What are you babbling about DoubleDouche, you don’t think shooting that scrawny little man for a girly swing would have been over the top?

Especially for a guy as big as bauber?
[/quote]

Does the guy have a knife? does he have a gun? Does he have aids? No man should be forced to take that risk.

And I was also referring to you ignorant stereotyping bigoted derogatory insults. Are all people in Portugal as much a bigot as you, or should I not file this as a negative reflection on your country and instead as just one idiot.[/quote]

Where do you draw the line?
What if some punk looking kid comes to me and says “hey dude got a lighter”? should I just answer “yeah I got just the thing to light you up” and then shoot him in the kneecap because I don’t want to take risks?
Actually, this sounds kinda cool now that I think about it.

Bottom line is, a punch doesn’t warrant going Frank Castle on someone.
[/quote]

Reductio ad absurdum. I could equally accuse your of forcing me to watch while my wife is raped and murdered because you don’t want the criminal killed. Where do you draw the line man? Why do you want my wife raped and beaten to death?

In reality, drawing a weapon would almost certainly have ended the black guy’s bravado and the fight with no one hurt. It’s why there are different requirements for using deadly force vs. using threat of deadly force. If you get attacked you have the right to use the threat (drawing a weapon).

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Some people keep talking about the hypothetical “one punch can give you brain damage”, so you should avoid ALL fights.[/quote]

I don’t think anyone said that Angry. I certainly did not.

I pretty clearly said the white guy’s friend should of intervened once the fight was clearly over (like the 1:05 mark I think) so white dude doesn’t end up in prison for really hurting the black kid. Like I said I wouldn’t want to see a jury if the black kid had ended up brain damaged with what could easily be seen as excessive after the 1:05 mark.

I thought everything before that was fine. [/quote]

While I haven’t said it up to this point, it is very possible. My wife was at a beer tent and witnessed it. One punch knockout, dudes head hit the curb and he died the next day after never coming out of his coma.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]

Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.

I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]

What a tool.

Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.

Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.

There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.

Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.

You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]

What are you babbling about DoubleDouche, you don’t think shooting that scrawny little man for a girly swing would have been over the top?

Especially for a guy as big as bauber?
[/quote]

Does the guy have a knife? does he have a gun? Does he have aids? No man should be forced to take that risk.

And I was also referring to you ignorant stereotyping bigoted derogatory insults. Are all people in Portugal as much a bigot as you, or should I not file this as a negative reflection on your country and instead as just one idiot.[/quote]

Where do you draw the line?
What if some punk looking kid comes to me and says “hey dude got a lighter”? should I just answer “yeah I got just the thing to light you up” and then shoot him in the kneecap because I don’t want to take risks?
Actually, this sounds kinda cool now that I think about it.

Bottom line is, a punch doesn’t warrant going Frank Castle on someone.
[/quote]

Reductio ad absurdum. I could equally accuse your of forcing me to watch while my wife is raped and murdered because you don’t want the criminal killed. Where do you draw the line man? Why do you want my wife raped and beaten to death?

In reality, drawing a weapon would almost certainly have ended the black guy’s bravado and the fight with no one hurt. It’s why there are different requirements for using deadly force vs. using threat of deadly force. If you get attacked you have the right to use the threat (drawing a weapon).[/quote]

That is an absolutely retarded comparison. Not even remotely the same thing. If some dude takes a swing at you and you immediately draw down him because you can, you have major issues and need to reevaluate your life.

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

Out of curiosity, in what way is he - as a European - backwards due to stricter gun laws?

[/quote]

Ask the European Jews, that are left, what life is like when the government is the only people that can protect themselves…

You guys lived through this shit a couple times in your history (your governments having total control, the citizens helpless to their violence) and every single fucking time you celebrate giving the government that power over you…

Short answer:
Anti-gun people lack even an elementary understanding of human history and the relationship between government and citizens. In the “information age” this is backwards.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I guess my real issue is that if that had been me as the trucker, I would prefer my friend steps in a little earlier to help protect ME. [/quote]

Perfectly said.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Reductio ad absurdum. I could equally accuse your of forcing me to watch while my wife is raped and murdered because you don’t want the criminal killed. Where do you draw the line man? Why do you want my wife raped and beaten to death?

In reality, drawing a weapon would almost certainly have ended the black guy’s bravado and the fight with no one hurt. It’s why there are different requirements for using deadly force vs. using threat of deadly force. If you get attacked you have the right to use the threat (drawing a weapon).[/quote]

I think your wife should have fun but you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.

Word of advice though, never expect to end anything by pulling out a gun.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That is an absolutely retarded comparison. Not even remotely the same thing. If some dude takes a swing at you and you immediately draw down him because you can, you have major issues and need to reevaluate your life. [/quote]

I disagree completely.

It will be situational dependent. Because I can bring you to some neighborhoods where if you didn’t draw, and expected to be “fine in a fist fight because he is so small” your “life reevaluation” would be as it flashes before your eyes, because your cold dead body will be found the next day where you “man-ed up”.

In fact, I know some grimy motherfuckers that look for people that think like you are here, and others in this thread. MArks.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

Out of curiosity, in what way is he - as a European - backwards due to stricter gun laws?

[/quote]

Ask the European Jews, that are left, what life is like when the government is the only people that can protect themselves…

You guys lived through this shit a couple times in your history (your governments having total control, the citizens helpless to their violence) and every single fucking time you celebrate giving the government that power over you…

Short answer:
Anti-gun people lack even an elementary understanding of human history and the relationship between government and citizens. In the “information age” this is backwards.
[/quote]

I think it is you who lacks understanding, beansie.

Check out about European crime statistics, try to find out which governments have more control/influence over people and how military dictatorships ended in Europe.

Then tell me how a bunch of rednecks would overthrown a government.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]

Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.

I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]

What a tool.

Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.

Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.

There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.

Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.

You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]

What are you babbling about DoubleDouche, you don’t think shooting that scrawny little man for a girly swing would have been over the top?

Especially for a guy as big as bauber?
[/quote]

Does the guy have a knife? does he have a gun? Does he have aids? No man should be forced to take that risk.

And I was also referring to you ignorant stereotyping bigoted derogatory insults. Are all people in Portugal as much a bigot as you, or should I not file this as a negative reflection on your country and instead as just one idiot.[/quote]

Where do you draw the line?
What if some punk looking kid comes to me and says “hey dude got a lighter”? should I just answer “yeah I got just the thing to light you up” and then shoot him in the kneecap because I don’t want to take risks?
Actually, this sounds kinda cool now that I think about it.

Bottom line is, a punch doesn’t warrant going Frank Castle on someone.
[/quote]

Reductio ad absurdum…[/quote]

Is that a wizard spell from Harry Potter?

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Some people keep talking about the hypothetical “one punch can give you brain damage”, so you should avoid ALL fights.[/quote]

I don’t think anyone said that Angry. I certainly did not.

I pretty clearly said the white guy’s friend should of intervened once the fight was clearly over (like the 1:05 mark I think) so white dude doesn’t end up in prison for really hurting the black kid. Like I said I wouldn’t want to see a jury if the black kid had ended up brain damaged with what could easily be seen as excessive after the 1:05 mark.

I thought everything before that was fine. [/quote]

While I haven’t said it up to this point, it is very possible. My wife was at a beer tent and witnessed it. One punch knockout, dudes head hit the curb and he died the next day after never coming out of his coma.
[/quote]

Ya I’ve heard similar stories.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

Out of curiosity, in what way is he - as a European - backwards due to stricter gun laws?

[/quote]

Ask the European Jews, that are left, what life is like when the government is the only people that can protect themselves…

You guys lived through this shit a couple times in your history (your governments having total control, the citizens helpless to their violence) and every single fucking time you celebrate giving the government that power over you…

Short answer:
Anti-gun people lack even an elementary understanding of human history and the relationship between government and citizens. In the “information age” this is backwards.
[/quote]

Sure, :D.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

That is an absolutely retarded comparison. Not even remotely the same thing. If some dude takes a swing at you and you immediately draw down him because you can, you have major issues and need to reevaluate your life. [/quote]

I disagree completely.

It will be situational dependent. Because I can bring you to some neighborhoods where if you didn’t draw, and expected to be “fine in a fist fight because he is so small” your “life reevaluation” would be as it flashes before your eyes, because your cold dead body will be found the next day where you “man-ed up”.

In fact, I know some grimy motherfuckers that look for people that think like you are here, and others in this thread. MArks. [/quote]

Again, not what I said and not what we’re talking about. Having some clown take a swing at you and legitimately being put in a life or death situation are not the same thing. Not even close. You have no idea where I’m from or what I “think like”. When I was 16 I got into a fight with the wrong guy. I layed him out and one of his buddies smashed me in the side of the head with a full bottle of liquor.

5 or 6 of his friends proceeded to beat the shit out of me, pick me up and run me head first into a fire hydrant while I was unconscious. I have 5 fake teeth to show for it. I’ve been stabbed in my hand, shot at multiple times and Bbeen in more violent situations than anyone you know. A fight is still a fight, and drawing on some guy after one random swing when you’re in no real danger is ridiculous.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
Out of curiosity, in what way is he - as a European - backwards due to stricter gun laws?[/quote]

Ask the European Jews, that are left, what life is like when the government is the only people that can protect themselves…

You guys lived through this shit a couple times in your history (your governments having total control, the citizens helpless to their violence) and every single fucking time you celebrate giving the government that power over you…

Short answer:
Anti-gun people lack even an elementary understanding of human history and the relationship between government and citizens. In the “information age” this is backwards.[/quote]

The phrasing’s a little more condescending than I like, but basically this.

I also think it can be a little harder to understand considering how much more urban Europe is compared to the US. Things like using a gun to protect yourself against the meth addicts trying to steal anyhdrous ammonia from your farm. When, at best, the cops are 30 minutes away.

Protecting self, family, land, property, from aggressors of all forms.

Certainly you have extremists going overboard here and there, but it’s unfair to judge based on the media’s ability to selectively amplify certain events for ratings.

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[quote]Dr J wrote:
I keep waiting for someone to mention this; the guy looks into the camera and proclaims, “I’m from New York!”. Does anybody else find this amusing? Are people from New York inherently badass? If I ever find myself nearing a physical confrontation, should I ask where the other party is from?[/quote]

This is actually pretty good advice. I’ve fought three guys from Texas (WOOO PIG!) and all three of them kicked my ass haha

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[quote]knee-gro wrote:
Where do you draw the line?
What if some punk looking kid comes to me and says “hey dude got a lighter”? should I just answer “yeah I got just the thing to light you up” and then shoot him in the kneecap because I don’t want to take risks?
Actually, this sounds kinda cool now that I think about it.
[/quote]
You are well within your rights in America to shoot someone for asking if you have a lighter. You can actually shoot everyone within earshot as well for being complicit in the act.

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[quote]knee-gro wrote:
you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.
[/quote]
In all seriousness though he didn’t go off the deep end any farther than you did. Maybe there is a language barrier at work here, I dunno. You went from shooting someone because they assaulted you to shooting someone because they asked you a question. You went full tard first, and DD was trying to show you your error by doing the same thing. I think it went over your head though.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That is an absolutely retarded comparison. Not even remotely the same thing. If some dude takes a swing at you and you immediately draw down him because you can, you have major issues and need to reevaluate your life. [/quote]

I disagree completely.

It will be situational dependent. Because I can bring you to some neighborhoods where if you didn’t draw, and expected to be “fine in a fist fight because he is so small” your “life reevaluation” would be as it flashes before your eyes, because your cold dead body will be found the next day where you “man-ed up”.

In fact, I know some grimy motherfuckers that look for people that think like you are here, and others in this thread. MArks. [/quote]

I always get mistaken for an easy mark. Like that time a guy got me utterly hammered, while unbeknownst to me his buddy was waiting outside with a knife. I knew he was being way too generous with those beers.

Too bad that guy brought a knife to a gun fight. Good for both of us that I didn’t have to pull the trigger.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

That is an absolutely retarded comparison. Not even remotely the same thing. If some dude takes a swing at you and you immediately draw down him because you can, you have major issues and need to reevaluate your life. [/quote]

I disagree completely.

It will be situational dependent. Because I can bring you to some neighborhoods where if you didn’t draw, and expected to be “fine in a fist fight because he is so small” your “life reevaluation” would be as it flashes before your eyes, because your cold dead body will be found the next day where you “man-ed up”.

In fact, I know some grimy motherfuckers that look for people that think like you are here, and others in this thread. MArks. [/quote]

Again, not what I said and not what we’re talking about. Having some clown take a swing at you and legitimately being put in a life or death situation are not the same thing. Not even close. You have no idea where I’m from or what I “think like”. When I was 16 I got into a fight with the wrong guy. I layed him out and one of his buddies smashed me in the side of the head with a full bottle of liquor.

5 or 6 of his friends proceeded to beat the shit out of me, pick me up and run me head first into a fire hydrant while I was unconscious. I have 5 fake teeth to show for it. I’ve been stabbed in my hand, shot at multiple times and Bbeen in more violent situations than anyone you know. A fight is still a fight, and drawing on some guy after one random swing when you’re in no real danger is ridiculous.
[/quote]

Like I said: It will be situational dependent.

I’m gald you survived, however, your stories here tend to back up my point.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
Where do you draw the line?
What if some punk looking kid comes to me and says “hey dude got a lighter”? should I just answer “yeah I got just the thing to light you up” and then shoot him in the kneecap because I don’t want to take risks?
Actually, this sounds kinda cool now that I think about it.
[/quote]
You are well within your rights in America to shoot someone for asking if you have a lighter. You can actually shoot everyone within earshot as well for being complicit in the act.[/quote]

True. See Porter v. Resnick for legal precedent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly7_DVUYQ8k