[quote]PaddyM wrote:
Agreed. I just know my state (CT coincidentally to the link you posted) has a CD and it very much differs from stand your ground. In the above situation I would have had to attempt to retreat.[/quote]
Yes sir, your state is having some major tests at the moment with regards to gun laws.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]PaddyM wrote:
Agreed. I just know my state (CT coincidentally to the link you posted) has a CD and it very much differs from stand your ground. In the above situation I would have had to attempt to retreat.[/quote]
Yes sir, your state is having some major tests at the moment with regards to gun laws. [/quote]
A single tragedy will cause an awful lot of overreaction. To be fair, I guess you did call CT out in your original response, haha.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
lol[/quote]
I all BS on this story. It looks to me like he’s having fun!
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Just don’t shoot anyone in New York, California, Connecticut, etc. [/quote]
Seriously.
In CA and NY especially, there’s usually enough going on in life to keep one distracted from (potentially) ending that of others.
I found this pretty incomfortable to watch. Been in fights, and practised martial arts… The only thing I can say is that this DJ IGotSlammedOnYoutube is incredibly dumb. First, being outnumbered and half the size of the other guy, and second, starting this fight even if it was 1 on 1.
I learnt in martial arts that no one should start a fight if not life threatened or bullied / harassed regularly. You never know…
Start a fight against an unknow who is trained in Karate, boxing, or any martial art / combat sport and you can end injured for life. The trucker here was just landing random shots. He could have elbow slammed his head or destroyed his liver.
One day in college a small guy started a fight against a black-belt karate friend. Ended in coma in the ER, friend had serious trouble with justice. Changed my vision of fights for ever.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…
I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]
Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.
I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.
I’ve been beat worse than that and I’ve dished out a beating or two worse than that. No one ended up in jail. Some people keep talking about the hypothetical “one punch can give you brain damage”, so you should avoid ALL fights. Well by that logic, one drive down the street could get you into an accident and kill you so you should avoid ALL driving. Life is not risk free. Or how about “the friends should have stopped it or someone should have broken it up”. Ummm, why? As long as the fight remains one on one, mano y mano, then let the two grown fucking men handle their disagreement LIKE MEN.
I think the guy that got whipped got exactly what he had coming to him. No more, no less. It doesn’t matter how it started. Or who called who the N-bomb - the black guy threw the first punch at a dude who was walking away and paid the price. His mouth wrote a check his body couldn’t cash. That USED to be valuable feedback in life.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
? Has nobody been in a fight on here?
This was normal growing up, nobody got shot, nobody got curb stomped.
I mean really not being a dick, just trying to understand what was so brutal on here? [/quote]
No one on a website called testosterone nation has ever been in a violent altercation…lol[/quote]
Just reading the first page, I get the feeling this was barbaric.
Again maybe I am the barbarian but I am of a different age group.[/quote]
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…
I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]
Oh I agree I am to old to deal with shit like that. Honestly now I just walk away, I have to much to lose financially to get in a fight over male pride. I have learned that my license to practice is a fragile thing and I will not jeopardize that shit for anything.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I’ve been beat worse than that and I’ve dished out a beating or two worse than that. No one ended up in jail. Some people keep talking about the hypothetical “one punch can give you brain damage”, so you should avoid ALL fights. Well by that logic, one drive down the street could get you into an accident and kill you so you should avoid ALL driving. Life is not risk free. Or how about “the friends should have stopped it or someone should have broken it up”. Ummm, why? As long as the fight remains one on one, mano y mano, then let the two grown fucking men handle their disagreement LIKE MEN.
I think the guy that got whipped got exactly what he had coming to him. No more, no less. It doesn’t matter how it started. Or who called who the N-bomb - the black guy threw the first punch at a dude who was walking away and paid the price. His mouth wrote a check his body couldn’t cash. That USED to be valuable feedback in life. [/quote]
There is nothing in common between having a car accident when driving and starting an agression for a stupid argument and some verbal exchanges.
I’m not blaming the trucker here, he was defending himself. I’m blaming the stupid ass DJ who started a fight with a fucking bad punch to a guy twice his power.
This is weakness.
I don’t know, maybe I’m getting old, but I will not get into a fight if I or my relatives are not in danger, or if I were harassed and really agressed.
The trucker defended himself, he was being assaulted and in danger. He protected himself and maybe landed some extra rage punches…
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Some people keep talking about the hypothetical “one punch can give you brain damage”, so you should avoid ALL fights.[/quote]
I don’t think anyone said that Angry. I certainly did not.
I pretty clearly said the white guy’s friend should of intervened once the fight was clearly over (like the 1:05 mark I think) so white dude doesn’t end up in prison for really hurting the black kid. Like I said I wouldn’t want to see a jury if the black kid had ended up brain damaged with what could easily be seen as excessive after the 1:05 mark.
I thought everything before that was fine.
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…
I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]
Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.
I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]
What a tool.
Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.
Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.
There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.
Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.
You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]
Out of curiosity, in what way is he - as a European - backwards due to stricter gun laws?
If that was what you were implying anyway.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…
I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]
Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.
I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]
What a tool.
Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.
Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.
There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.
Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.
You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]
What are you babbling about DoubleDouche, you don’t think shooting that scrawny little man for a girly swing would have been over the top?
Especially for a guy as big as bauber?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Some people keep talking about the hypothetical “one punch can give you brain damage”, so you should avoid ALL fights.[/quote]
I don’t think anyone said that Angry. I certainly did not.
I pretty clearly said the white guy’s friend should of intervened once the fight was clearly over (like the 1:05 mark I think) so white dude doesn’t end up in prison for really hurting the black kid. Like I said I wouldn’t want to see a jury if the black kid had ended up brain damaged with what could easily be seen as excessive after the 1:05 mark.
I thought everything before that was fine. [/quote]
Exactly.
I agree with the premise that the DJ started shit and got corrected very quickly from the trucker. I am all for that. I think the issue to me is that it should have been stopped earlier. The DJ was in no state to fight back and those additional hits (while horribly wild throws) would be considered excessive in just about any court. I don’t even fault the trucker though- he loses it but recomposes himself when told to stop.
AC, I would probably feel the same way about the beatdown you received or dished out. There was a time when the point was proven and this went beyond that. I guess my real issue is that if that had been me as the trucker, I would prefer my friend steps in a little earlier to help protect ME. If this isn’t on camera that’s one thing but to have video that can spin it against me as going above and beyond that’s another.
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…
I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]
Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.
I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]
What a tool.
Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.
Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.
There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.
Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.
You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]
What are you babbling about DoubleDouche, you don’t think shooting that scrawny little man for a girly swing would have been over the top?
Especially for a guy as big as bauber?
[/quote]
I think the issue he is referring to is that we are in a society where you do not know if the man is on drugs and will pull a knife or gun himself.
America is not the wild west as some would think it is, we are also in a society where everyone has a camera phone and wants to go viral on youtube
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…
I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]
Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.
I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]
What a tool.
Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.
Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.
There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.
Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.
You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]
What are you babbling about DoubleDouche, you don’t think shooting that scrawny little man for a girly swing would have been over the top?
Especially for a guy as big as bauber?
[/quote]
I think the issue he is referring to is that we are in a society where you do not know if the man is on drugs and will pull a knife or gun himself.
America is not the wild west as some would think it is, we are also in a society where everyone has a camera phone and wants to go viral on youtube[/quote]
FYI the Wild West is a movie myth. It was actually very safe and had very little violence with very few shootings. Some of the bloodiest incidences on record from back then are like the OK coral shootout where only a couple people died.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]
Out of curiosity, in what way is he - as a European - backwards due to stricter gun laws?
If that was what you were implying anyway.[/quote]
Protecting the violent attacker over the law abiding citizen is backwards.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…
I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]
Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.
I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]
What a tool.
Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.
Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.
There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.
Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.
You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]
What are you babbling about DoubleDouche, you don’t think shooting that scrawny little man for a girly swing would have been over the top?
Especially for a guy as big as bauber?
[/quote]
I think the issue he is referring to is that we are in a society where you do not know if the man is on drugs and will pull a knife or gun himself.
America is not the wild west as some would think it is, we are also in a society where everyone has a camera phone and wants to go viral on youtube[/quote]
FYI the Wild West is a movie myth. It was actually very safe and had very little violence with very few shootings. Some of the bloodiest incidences on record from back then are like the OK coral shootout where only a couple people died.[/quote]
I realize that Double D, but America is a movie myth to all of Europe.
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…
I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]
Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.
I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]
What a tool.
Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.
Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.
There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.
Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.
You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]
What are you babbling about DoubleDouche, you don’t think shooting that scrawny little man for a girly swing would have been over the top?
Especially for a guy as big as bauber?
[/quote]
Does the guy have a knife? does he have a gun? Does he have aids? No man should be forced to take that risk.
And I was also referring to you ignorant stereotyping bigoted derogatory insults. Are all people in Portugal as much a bigot as you, or should I not file this as a negative reflection on your country and instead as just one idiot.
I can see the point of view that it is completely irrational to unload a clip into a guy over such a minor offense. Sure it could be twisted into being legal, but it is rational?
To say “We live in a civil society” to rationalize something so out of proportion is an oxymoron. Knee-Gro hit the nail on the head with man the fuck up. What kind of person is chomping at the bit to go full retard with a fire arm over a punch or two?
How about “We live in a civil society, so when someone is obviously off their gourd and doesn’t present any real threat- we don’t take advantage of the laws to act out a violent fantasy.” ?