NY Thug Versus Arizona Trucker

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
? Has nobody been in a fight on here?

This was normal growing up, nobody got shot, nobody got curb stomped.

I mean really not being a dick, just trying to understand what was so brutal on here? [/quote]

No one on a website called testosterone nation has ever been in a violent altercation…lol[/quote]
Just reading the first page, I get the feeling this was barbaric.

Again maybe I am the barbarian but I am of a different age group.[/quote]

Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
man this shit is too funny[/quote]

No, i’m loling too.

If whitey had a permit to carry a fire arm, would he have been allowed to draw it under those circumstances?
[/quote]

In the USA? It really depends on the state.
[/quote]

What states would it be cool with?

And of course in the USA, no weapons are allowed here![/quote]

Pretty much any state with stand your ground laws or the castle doctrine. Just don’t shoot anyone in New York, California, Connecticut, etc. The liberal fucktard bastions or you will get fucked for defending yourself against poor downtrodden criminals.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
man this shit is too funny[/quote]

No, i’m loling too.

If whitey had a permit to carry a fire arm, would he have been allowed to draw it under those circumstances?
[/quote]

In the USA? It really depends on the state.
[/quote]

What states would it be cool with?

And of course in the USA, no weapons are allowed here![/quote]

Pretty much any state with stand your ground laws or the castle doctrine. Just don’t shoot anyone in New York, California, Connecticut, etc. The liberal fucktard bastions or you will get fucked for defending yourself against poor downtrodden criminals.[/quote]

Ah ok, thank you.

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
man this shit is too funny[/quote]

No, i’m loling too.

If whitey had a permit to carry a fire arm, would he have been allowed to draw it under those circumstances?
[/quote]

In the USA? It really depends on the state.
[/quote]

What states would it be cool with?

And of course in the USA, no weapons are allowed here![/quote]

Pretty much any state with stand your ground laws or the castle doctrine. Just don’t shoot anyone in New York, California, Connecticut, etc. The liberal fucktard bastions or you will get fucked for defending yourself against poor downtrodden criminals.[/quote]

Ah ok, thank you.[/quote]

Stand-your-ground: Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virgina, Washington, West Virginia

Retreat if outside your home: Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrines are completely different, Bauber.

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[quote]PaddyM wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
man this shit is too funny[/quote]

No, i’m loling too.

If whitey had a permit to carry a fire arm, would he have been allowed to draw it under those circumstances?
[/quote]

In the USA? It really depends on the state.
[/quote]

What states would it be cool with?

And of course in the USA, no weapons are allowed here![/quote]

Pretty much any state with stand your ground laws or the castle doctrine. Just don’t shoot anyone in New York, California, Connecticut, etc. The liberal fucktard bastions or you will get fucked for defending yourself against poor downtrodden criminals.[/quote]

Ah ok, thank you.[/quote]

Stand-your-ground: Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virgina, Washington, West Virginia

Retreat if outside your home: Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrines are completely different, Bauber.[/quote]

thanks!

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[quote]PaddyM wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
man this shit is too funny[/quote]

No, i’m loling too.

If whitey had a permit to carry a fire arm, would he have been allowed to draw it under those circumstances?
[/quote]

In the USA? It really depends on the state.
[/quote]

What states would it be cool with?

And of course in the USA, no weapons are allowed here![/quote]

Pretty much any state with stand your ground laws or the castle doctrine. Just don’t shoot anyone in New York, California, Connecticut, etc. The liberal fucktard bastions or you will get fucked for defending yourself against poor downtrodden criminals.[/quote]

Ah ok, thank you.[/quote]

Stand-your-ground: Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virgina, Washington, West Virginia

Retreat if outside your home: Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrines are completely different, Bauber.[/quote]

Oh I had no idea they were completely different…

They are both still intrinsically tied to each other.

Stand your ground: In some states in the United States, one can use deadly force in any location one is legally allowed to be without first attempting to retreat. Such laws remove the requirement that the threat must occur on one’s own dwelling.

“Castle laws” remove the duty to retreat before using deadly force when one is in their home or in some U.S. states just simply where one can legally be.

So tell me how they are COMPLETELY different. I know what the laws are, thanks.

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They’re completely different for the reason’s you just stated: One applies to a person in their home - The other applies to a person outside of it. Therefore, your response to Rattlehead about states where a person could have have pulled a weapon in that situation is misleading (you said, “Pretty much any state with stand your ground laws or the castle doctrine”). That was a public space. Castle Doctrine doesn’t apply to that situation.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
? Has nobody been in a fight on here?

This was normal growing up, nobody got shot, nobody got curb stomped.

I mean really not being a dick, just trying to understand what was so brutal on here? [/quote]

No one on a website called testosterone nation has ever been in a violent altercation…lol[/quote]
Just reading the first page, I get the feeling this was barbaric.

Again maybe I am the barbarian but I am of a different age group.[/quote]

Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]

I don’t know the laws in your state, but I don’t see a jury tipping the scale in your favour if you shot and killed an unarmed man for taking a swing. You look to be over 300lbs and would have a hard time claiming you feared for your life after a punch was thrown.

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^^ from the video, I think the black dude could have easily used deadly force while he was being pummeled on the ground. He could (and should if it was me) grabbed his gun and shot him as soon as he went face down and was being hit.

The white guy pulling a gun a the black guy? Be very, very careful and know your state statutes when it comes to exercising deadly force. If you live in NY or if you live in TX or FL it’s almost like two different countries.

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[quote]PaddyM wrote:
They’re completely different for the reason’s you just stated: One applies to a person in their home - The other applies to a person outside of it. Therefore, your response to Rattlehead about states where a person could have have pulled a weapon in that situation is misleading (you said, “Pretty much any state with stand your ground laws or the castle doctrine”). That was a public space. Castle Doctrine doesn’t apply to that situation.[/quote]

The castle doctrine in many states also goes to apply to anywhere you are LEGALLY allowed to be, so in effect it is the same as stand your ground laws in other states. So, yes Castle Doctrine can apply in that situation depending on the state. Clear?

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[quote]Will207 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
? Has nobody been in a fight on here?

This was normal growing up, nobody got shot, nobody got curb stomped.

I mean really not being a dick, just trying to understand what was so brutal on here? [/quote]

No one on a website called testosterone nation has ever been in a violent altercation…lol[/quote]
Just reading the first page, I get the feeling this was barbaric.

Again maybe I am the barbarian but I am of a different age group.[/quote]

Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]

I don’t know the laws in your state, but I don’t see a jury tipping the scale in your favour if you shot and killed an unarmed man for taking a swing. You look to be over 300lbs and would have a hard time claiming you feared for your life after a punch was thrown.

[/quote]

A punch can kill anyone regardless of size if it catches you off guard and knocks you out, which can cause you to hit your head very hard on surrounding hard surfaces. The human cranium doesn’t get tougher depending on size.

And the law in my state only requires for you to fear immenent bodily harm to exercise deadly force. Size is irrelevant.

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[quote]Brett620 wrote:
^^ from the video, I think the black dude could have easily used deadly force while he was being pummeled on the ground. He could (and should if it was me) grabbed his gun and shot him as soon as he went face down and was being hit.

The white guy pulling a gun a the black guy? Be very, very careful and know your state statutes when it comes to exercising deadly force. If you live in NY or if you live in TX or FL it’s almost like two different countries. [/quote]

You can’t instigate a fight and then use deadly force and claim self defense. That is very clear in the law.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]PaddyM wrote:
They’re completely different for the reason’s you just stated: One applies to a person in their home - The other applies to a person outside of it. Therefore, your response to Rattlehead about states where a person could have have pulled a weapon in that situation is misleading (you said, “Pretty much any state with stand your ground laws or the castle doctrine”). That was a public space. Castle Doctrine doesn’t apply to that situation.[/quote]

The castle doctrine in many states also goes to apply to anywhere you are LEGALLY allowed to be, so in effect it is the same as stand your ground laws in other states. So, yes Castle Doctrine can apply in that situation depending on the state. Clear?[/quote]

No it doesn’t. Home/work/car. Clear?

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I’ll change my mind if you post credible information otherwise.

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[quote]PaddyM wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]PaddyM wrote:
They’re completely different for the reason’s you just stated: One applies to a person in their home - The other applies to a person outside of it. Therefore, your response to Rattlehead about states where a person could have have pulled a weapon in that situation is misleading (you said, “Pretty much any state with stand your ground laws or the castle doctrine”). That was a public space. Castle Doctrine doesn’t apply to that situation.[/quote]

The castle doctrine in many states also goes to apply to anywhere you are LEGALLY allowed to be, so in effect it is the same as stand your ground laws in other states. So, yes Castle Doctrine can apply in that situation depending on the state. Clear?[/quote]

No it doesn’t. Home/work/car. Clear?

[/quote]

WRONG, but I guess you are a law student and know more than this guy too -

"We found 15 states that adopted a â??castle doctrineâ?? bill in the last two years. Some of these expanded the circumstances where force could be used in self-defense without a duty to retreat, some adopted provisions on criminal or civil immunity for legally using force in self-defense, and some contained all of these provisions. In general, the bills contained at least one of the following provisions.

  1. They remove the duty to retreat from an aggressor using force or deadly force under certain circumstances. The states vary in how broadly this applies. For example, Alaska expands the types of premises where a person does not have a duty to retreat when using force in defense of self to include any place the person resides, a place where he is a guest, and his workplace. The Alaska law also applies to protecting a child or member of the person’s household, regardless of location.

  2. Kansas removes the duty to retreat from its use of force statutes and adds a general statement that a person not engaged in illegal activity who is attacked in a place where he has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his ground and meet force with force. "

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0052.htm

Where you have a RIGHT to be does not only include car, work, home. See where it says REGARDLESS OF LOCATION in Alaska? Now try again.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
A punch can kill anyone regardless of size if it catches you off guard and knocks you out, which can cause you to hit your head very hard on surrounding hard surfaces. The human cranium doesn’t get tougher depending on size.

And the law in my state only requires for you to fear immenent bodily harm to exercise deadly force. Size is irrelevant. [/quote]

I know what you’re saying, and I personally agree that it would be nice to dispose of someone who clearly has no regard for the well being of others.

A single punch can kill you, but this is an anomoly. It wouldn’t be reasonable to assume every punch will kill you.

I just checked on the law in Mississippi and found the following:

You can use deadly force, with no duty to retreat, if you believe you are in imminent danger of losing your life or receiving great bodily harm, or while trying to prevent a violent or forcible felony, if it would cause the same fear in any other reasonable person. Deadly force, with no duty to retreat, can be used against anyone you believe is likely to use unlawful force against you in your dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.

Size would become relevant in proving you were in fear for your life or receiving GREAT bodily harm. If a guy half your size is going to punch you in the face, it is probably not reasonable for a man of your size to fear for his life.

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The definition of castle doctrine is in its name. Whether or not some states want to masquerade a Stand Your Ground law as such is up to them.

http://www.nbc4i.com/story/20741913/comparing-ohios-castle-doctrine-floridas-stand-your-ground-law
http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/self-defense-and-stand-your-ground.aspx

Forty-six states in the United States have adopted the castle doctrine, that a person has no duty to retreat whatsoever when their home is attacked.[3][4] Twenty-two states go a step further,[5] removing the duty of retreat from other locations outside the home. Such “stand your ground”, “Line in the Sand” or “No Duty to Retreat” laws thus state that a person has no duty or other requirement to abandon a place in which he has a right to be, or to give up ground to an assailant. Under such laws, there is no duty to retreat from anywhere the defender may legally be.[6] Other restrictions may still exist; such as when in public, a person must be carrying firearms in a legal manner, whether concealed or openly.

Again, your response to the original question was misleading. I thought I should clear it up for clarity to the person who asked it.

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The only way to know whether or not those laws apply to a situation is to be on trial before a judge.

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[quote]PaddyM wrote:
The definition of castle doctrine is in its name. Whether or not some states want to masquerade a Stand Your Ground law as such is up to them.

http://www.nbc4i.com/story/20741913/comparing-ohios-castle-doctrine-floridas-stand-your-ground-law
http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/self-defense-and-stand-your-ground.aspx

Forty-six states in the United States have adopted the castle doctrine, that a person has no duty to retreat whatsoever when their home is attacked.[3][4] Twenty-two states go a step further,[5] removing the duty of retreat from other locations outside the home. Such “stand your ground”, “Line in the Sand” or “No Duty to Retreat” laws thus state that a person has no duty or other requirement to abandon a place in which he has a right to be, or to give up ground to an assailant. Under such laws, there is no duty to retreat from anywhere the defender may legally be.[6] Other restrictions may still exist; such as when in public, a person must be carrying firearms in a legal manner, whether concealed or openly.

Again, your response to the original question was misleading. I thought I should clear it up for clarity to the person who asked it.[/quote]

Well I was not intending to be misleading. It can be confusing, but most states had one or the other and then incorporated the one lacking into the original bill. So, it is called one thing, but also includes the other. Semantics really I guess. I love the law, but it could use some simplifying in some cases.

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Agreed. I just know my state (CT coincidentally to the link you posted) has a CD and it very much differs from stand your ground. In the above situation I would have had to attempt to retreat.