[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
Just gonna attach that pic again as you seemed to have missed it entirely and are building up a shitty argument regarding costs equating quality?
In terms of quality care, U.S. ranked 6th.
In terms of safe care, U.S. ranked 7th.
In terms of timelines of care U.S. ranked 5th.
In terms of efficiency, guess what? U.S. ranked dead last yet again at 7th.
I don’t care to try and explain why a minority of european citizens go abroad for healthcare as it has nothing to do with the point at hand and would be purely conjecture.
You are making bold sweeping statements that universal healthcare here in Europe sucks when quite frankly the facts are right in front of you indicating that that is indeed not the case, if you cared to read the first link I posted you would have seen U.S.A ranked 37th whilst Italian healthcare ranked second and French first.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Explain why we have so many people come HERE for treatment then, if they can afford it?
I live very close to St. Jude and do charity work every year throughout the year there. They have people clamoring to come there from everywhere in the world for treatment. Since Europe’s medical care is so much better why don’t they all go there?
The US is where the cutting edge medicine is produced, so all your European hospitals can thank us for that too. When you provide the latest and most advanced care it usually costs more. Kind of like buying a new car versus a model 20 years old.[/quote]
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I see your fucking picture and I stand by what I said. And like I said these statistics are based on what parameters? You do realize anyone with a ounce of a fucking brain can make stats say whatever they want. And if you had read what I said, I did not say costs directly equated quality. But it does take more money to stay on the cutting edge and keep researching better and more advanced options, fucking get it?
And the links you posted are not exactly what I would call credible sources.
That is funny considering my experience in Italy. If that is what it means to be ranked 1st, I will pass.
Typical though all you do is spout google searches and have ZERO firsthand experience in both to compare. Because no websites would ever try to push an agenda… I don’t have an agenda. All I am telling you is what I know and see. And my mom is a cardiologist who is actively in cutting edge cancer research in joint with St. Jude. I think she has a better perspective than you. And we talk about these same issues frequently.
"Another point worth considering is the impact of United States healthcare system on the worldâ??s, in effect allowing populations underserved by non-innovative, ration-rich nationalized systems to act as free riders on the American plan.
As long as the United States exists as a safety value for those in need of urgent, critical or innovative care and therapies, the pressure that could be applied on politicians to reform their non-market based, government controlled systems will never materialize. Critics would say denationalization of the healthcare system amounts to taking away from the voters a free entitlement, something that is thereâ??s by right. And thatâ??s the winning argument as long as those whom the national healthcare system canâ??t or wonâ??t help have someplace else to go when they need to, e.g., the United States.
There are also those Canadians who have been critical of the public system sending expectant mothers into the United States to get their babies delivered. But thatâ??s not because their babies are more likely to die because the U.S. has higher infant mortality rates (which is a subject for another column); itâ??s because it makes it harder for family members to get to the hospital to visit. People may mind, they may be inconvenienced, but not to the degree that they want to invest time and treasure in changing the system.
Itâ??s fair to say that the demands for changes in the nationalized healthcare systems are ratcheting up in places like Canada and Great Britain, albeit incrementally. If the United States moves to a system more like Canadaâ??s or Europeâ??s, expect the demand for change to come even faster."
This says it better than me.
