NY Thug Versus Arizona Trucker

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[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.
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In all seriousness though he didn’t go off the deep end any farther than you did. Maybe there is a language barrier at work here, I dunno. You went from shooting someone because they assaulted you to shooting someone because they asked you a question. You went full tard first, and DD was trying to show you your error by doing the same thing. I think it went over your head though.[/quote]

It didn’t go over my head, I just think he pulled a metaphorical gun on me after I took a metaphorical swing at him. I got out of line but he overreacted.

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You do realize you you equated pulling a gun on someone violently attacking you to knee capping a guy for asking a question, right?

And it wasn’t an over reaction it was facetious.[/quote]

You can’t argue with the ingrained ideology of stupidity in Europe these days. That is why our ancestors got the fuck out. I hope the next few generations in Europe get used to speaking Russian or Chinese…[/quote]

I find it ironic that you speak of stupidity after quoting his post.
Did it ever crossed your mind that your ancestors (the baubers) got pushed out because they couldn’t cut it there?

Listen man you should learn how to manage situations without a gun, just in case you ever leave the farm. What if you wanna take the missus to Paris or something and someone pushes you in the subway? You gonna slaughter all them frenchies?
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Thanks for proving his point through more false dichotomies, and bigoted stereotypes.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
Listen man you should learn how to manage situations without a gun, just in case you ever leave the farm. What if you wanna take the missus to Paris or something and someone pushes you in the subway? You gonna slaughter all them frenchies?
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False, the French would surrender before any push would occur. [/quote]
Okay I lol’d on that one

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

Yeah. I look at use of force against someone (or for yourself, either way) as a continuum. It doesn’t start and end at gunfire.

Then there’s time, place and everything else. Any more, I’m not even in any places where most bad things happen. There’s always the possibility of a random incident, but even in those, given some of my history- I have a better chance than most.
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You and I have “talked” about this in the past. I’m no Billy Bad Ass by any stretch of the imagination. But, I’ve been through and seen enough to feel secure (for lack of a better term) in most instances.
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Yeah. I wonder how much calibration of attitude has to do with exposure. I’ve seen a good bit of it, as have you and AC, and we all seem to be in agreement.
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I’m sure it’s like most things in life. The more you’re around something the more comfortable you are with it. I haven’t been a knucklehead in a long time, but that angry, aggressive, scared kid is still in there. And when I feel threatened, he pops out pretty quick.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I’m willing to bet this “backwards hick” has a far better understanding of weapons, contextual conditions, and history than you do, so I’ll make my own judgments about how to stay alive.[/quote]

Agreed. If understanding history makes me a “backwards hick”, well then pass the skoal and buy me a pickup. :wink:

I don’t have a sister to marry, so I’ll have to borrow someone else’s.

(Anymore stereotypes I can toss in there?)[/quote]

Dog. You gotta have a dog.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I’m willing to bet this “backwards hick” has a far better understanding of weapons, contextual conditions, and history than you do, so I’ll make my own judgments about how to stay alive.[/quote]

Agreed. If understanding history makes me a “backwards hick”, well then pass the skoal and buy me a pickup. :wink:

I don’t have a sister to marry, so I’ll have to borrow someone else’s.

(Anymore stereotypes I can toss in there?)[/quote]

Dog. You gotta have a dog.
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God point. He and I’ll listen to some good ol’ country twang on the way back to our trailer parked on the edge of my farm.

Anyone know where I can get me a moonshine kit? I still have all my teeth, any dentist can help me out with that?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Anyone know where I can get me a moonshine kit? I still have all my teeth, any dentist can help me out with that?[/quote]

I heard there used to be a dentist or two around here.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
Drawing your weapon can immediately diffuse the situation. If he immediately backed off and turned tail and ran, which is likely - of course I would not shoot him. But, if he continued to advance or started reaching for something… well then you know what would happen.

I don’t like to fight nor am I violent. And sorry but I value my well being over some idiot’s life who wants to attack me or swing at me for no reason. Plus, I am hardly ever alone. I usually am in company with a 6 year old.[/quote]

Not that I agree with it, but there is a certain dangerous argument that is used against drawing a weapon as a threat. It goes like this. Drawing a weapon is threatening deadly force. This is only justifiable if you are in fear of your life. If you don’t shoot someone after drawing the weapon, this supports the claim that you weren’t in fear for your life.

Obviously there are holes in this argument. I just bring it up to point out that you legally raise the stakes considerably for yourself just by drawing the gun. All the same, it’s better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I’m willing to bet this “backwards hick” has a far better understanding of weapons, contextual conditions, and history than you do, so I’ll make my own judgments about how to stay alive.[/quote]

Agreed. If understanding history makes me a “backwards hick”, well then pass the skoal and buy me a pickup. :wink:

I don’t have a sister to marry, so I’ll have to borrow someone else’s.

(Anymore stereotypes I can toss in there?)[/quote]

Dog. You gotta have a dog.
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God point. He and I’ll listen to some good ol’ country twang on the way back to our trailer parked on the edge of my farm.

Anyone know where I can get me a moonshine kit? I still have all my teeth, any dentist can help me out with that?[/quote]

I can build you a still but what in tar-nation is a dentist?

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
Having worked with quite a few attorneys, I can tell you that Bauer’s defense attorney would have very little trouble with this scenario.

There is precedent that smaller, thinner men have killed with one blow. One! Bauer is a bodybuilder, not a prizefighter, martial artist etc. [/quote]

One punch kills are rare. It’s not reasonable to assume you are going to be killed by a single punch.

That video did not show the white guy holding restraint. He was raining down punches to a guy who could no longer defend himself. His “self-defence” defence went right out the window by this time.

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It is much more likely that the jury would understand him fearing for his life especially since this idiot attacked a guy twice his size because who would do that, right? Has got to be a guy who is crazy or packing.[/quote]

So is Bauber’s size relevant or not? Earlier you mentioned that he is just a bodybuilder and not a fighter, now you claim that he is a formidable opponent due to his size. It can’t go both ways.

People attack other people because they THINK they can win. Cops are attacked by unarmed people all the time despite the fact that they carry at least three weapons, wear armour, and have lots of friends willing to help him/her out. Is it reasonable for a cop to believe “this guy is attacking me even though I have a significant advantage over him, he must be armed and I fear for my life”? Would you approve the shooting of an unarmed man by police for taking a swing?

I don’t think so. I’ve been swung at and didn’t fear for my life, but I’ve never been swung at by a black DJ from NY.

Again, is the weight advantage relevant or not? I can tell you that when the jury looks at Bauber, it sure as shit will be relevant.

I’m sure most people on this forum have “a history of violence”. Again, you bring up Bauber’s weight here.

I disagree, but jurors have surprised us in the past with their decisions.

I will bet that this white guy doesn’t out of this without a few marks. Dropping the N bomb was probably his worst mistake.

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[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Drawing your weapon can immediately diffuse the situation. If he immediately backed off and turned tail and ran, which is likely - of course I would not shoot him. But, if he continued to advance or started reaching for something… well then you know what would happen.

I don’t like to fight nor am I violent. And sorry but I value my well being over some idiot’s life who wants to attack me or swing at me for no reason. Plus, I am hardly ever alone. I usually am in company with a 6 year old.[/quote]

Not that I agree with it, but there is a certain dangerous argument that is used against drawing a weapon as a threat. It goes like this. Drawing a weapon is threatening deadly force. This is only justifiable if you are in fear of your life. If you don’t shoot someone after drawing the weapon, this supports the claim that you weren’t in fear for your life.

Obviously there are holes in this argument. I just bring it up to point out that you legally raise the stakes considerably for yourself just by drawing the gun. All the same, it’s better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
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I’m with Bauber on this one. If the guy flees and is no longer a threat, the fear of losing your life is gone and you can go about your day. Just because you’ve drawn down on a guy doesn’t mean you have to shoot him. A gun can be effective without even using it.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
The gun is not the be all end all to every situation. When someone is all in your face it is probably not the best idea to pull a gun since they can fight you for it, a knife would be much better.[/quote]

lol, what?

Because a knife is glued to your hands or something?

If the logic for no gun is they might get it from you and use it against you (which is possible). How is that logic any different for any weapon?

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I do agree with him if he means a gun isn’t the instant death ray people believe it is.[/quote]

Neither is a knife, or any other weapon.

I’m NOT saying having a gun on you is always the best plan. I’m NOT saying it is always prudent to pull a gun if you did have it. I am saying, based on his rational for not having a gun, a knife is just as bad an option. [/quote]

Nunchuks are best option. Nobody would try taking my nunchuks from me while those tandem rotors of destruction are staring them in the face. [/quote]

Usually with nunchuks you can just wait for the user to injure himself.
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Just avoid back-flipping during use and you’ll be fine.

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[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.
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In all seriousness though he didn’t go off the deep end any farther than you did. Maybe there is a language barrier at work here, I dunno. You went from shooting someone because they assaulted you to shooting someone because they asked you a question. You went full tard first, and DD was trying to show you your error by doing the same thing. I think it went over your head though.[/quote]

It didn’t go over my head, I just think he pulled a metaphorical gun on me after I took a metaphorical swing at him. I got out of line but he overreacted.

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You do realize you you equated pulling a gun on someone violently attacking you to knee capping a guy for asking a question, right?

And it wasn’t an over reaction it was facetious.[/quote]

You can’t argue with the ingrained ideology of stupidity in Europe these days. That is why our ancestors got the fuck out. I hope the next few generations in Europe get used to speaking Russian or Chinese…[/quote]

I find it ironic that you speak of stupidity after quoting his post.
Did it ever crossed your mind that your ancestors (the baubers) got pushed out because they couldn’t cut it there?

Listen man you should learn how to manage situations without a gun, just in case you ever leave the farm. What if you wanna take the missus to Paris or something and someone pushes you in the subway? You gonna slaughter all them frenchies?
[/quote]

Couldn’t cut it? So, we came here and became the most dominant and powerful country in the world and saved Europe, not once but TWICE from the Germans. Guess you couldn’t cut it against them.

I wouldn’t be caught fucking dead anywhere in France. I have been and it is a disgusting shithole.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
Listen man you should learn how to manage situations without a gun, just in case you ever leave the farm. What if you wanna take the missus to Paris or something and someone pushes you in the subway? You gonna slaughter all them frenchies?
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False, the French would surrender before any push would occur. [/quote]
Okay I lol’d on that one[/quote]

I think we need to study the history on that…

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[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
Listen man you should learn how to manage situations without a gun, just in case you ever leave the farm. What if you wanna take the missus to Paris or something and someone pushes you in the subway? You gonna slaughter all them frenchies?
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False, the French would surrender before any push would occur. [/quote]
Okay I lol’d on that one[/quote]

I think we need to study the history on that…

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Hilarious!

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[quote]Bauber wrote:
and saved Europe, not once but TWICE from the Germans. Guess you couldn’t cut it against them.

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But they have low gun violence rates!

Why would they need American guns (and lives) to help them?

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[quote]Will207 wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Drawing your weapon can immediately diffuse the situation. If he immediately backed off and turned tail and ran, which is likely - of course I would not shoot him. But, if he continued to advance or started reaching for something… well then you know what would happen.

I don’t like to fight nor am I violent. And sorry but I value my well being over some idiot’s life who wants to attack me or swing at me for no reason. Plus, I am hardly ever alone. I usually am in company with a 6 year old.[/quote]

Not that I agree with it, but there is a certain dangerous argument that is used against drawing a weapon as a threat. It goes like this. Drawing a weapon is threatening deadly force. This is only justifiable if you are in fear of your life. If you don’t shoot someone after drawing the weapon, this supports the claim that you weren’t in fear for your life.

Obviously there are holes in this argument. I just bring it up to point out that you legally raise the stakes considerably for yourself just by drawing the gun. All the same, it’s better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
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I’m with Bauber on this one. If the guy flees and is no longer a threat, the fear of losing your life is gone and you can go about your day. Just because you’ve drawn down on a guy doesn’t mean you have to shoot him. A gun can be effective without even using it. [/quote]

I don’t disagree; you certainly don’t have to shoot someone if they back off when you draw. But drawing a gun is legally escalating the conflict to a level of deadly force. You don’t draw a gun you aren’t ready to use. Moreover, when you escalate the conflict to a level of deadly force, you increase the likelihood that deadly force will be used against you.

The risks of retaliation, both legal and violent, make drawing a gun a last resort.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.
[/quote]
In all seriousness though he didn’t go off the deep end any farther than you did. Maybe there is a language barrier at work here, I dunno. You went from shooting someone because they assaulted you to shooting someone because they asked you a question. You went full tard first, and DD was trying to show you your error by doing the same thing. I think it went over your head though.[/quote]

It didn’t go over my head, I just think he pulled a metaphorical gun on me after I took a metaphorical swing at him. I got out of line but he overreacted.

[/quote]

You do realize you you equated pulling a gun on someone violently attacking you to knee capping a guy for asking a question, right?

And it wasn’t an over reaction it was facetious.[/quote]

You can’t argue with the ingrained ideology of stupidity in Europe these days. That is why our ancestors got the fuck out. I hope the next few generations in Europe get used to speaking Russian or Chinese…[/quote]

I find it ironic that you speak of stupidity after quoting his post.
Did it ever crossed your mind that your ancestors (the baubers) got pushed out because they couldn’t cut it there?

Listen man you should learn how to manage situations without a gun, just in case you ever leave the farm. What if you wanna take the missus to Paris or something and someone pushes you in the subway? You gonna slaughter all them frenchies?
[/quote]

Couldn’t cut it? So, we came here and became the most dominant and powerful country in the world and saved Europe, not once but TWICE from the Germans. Guess you couldn’t cut it against them.

I wouldn’t be caught fucking dead anywhere in France. I have been and it is a disgusting shithole.[/quote]

That’s a rather simplistic view now isn’t it? You certainly did help (just like the frogs helped you win the revolution), but it’s not like the ruskies did nothing.

I’m surprised you don’t like France, it’s mostly a rural country outside of a few cities. I thought it would be right up your alley.

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[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.
[/quote]
In all seriousness though he didn’t go off the deep end any farther than you did. Maybe there is a language barrier at work here, I dunno. You went from shooting someone because they assaulted you to shooting someone because they asked you a question. You went full tard first, and DD was trying to show you your error by doing the same thing. I think it went over your head though.[/quote]

It didn’t go over my head, I just think he pulled a metaphorical gun on me after I took a metaphorical swing at him. I got out of line but he overreacted.

[/quote]

You do realize you you equated pulling a gun on someone violently attacking you to knee capping a guy for asking a question, right?

And it wasn’t an over reaction it was facetious.[/quote]

You can’t argue with the ingrained ideology of stupidity in Europe these days. That is why our ancestors got the fuck out. I hope the next few generations in Europe get used to speaking Russian or Chinese…[/quote]

I find it ironic that you speak of stupidity after quoting his post.
Did it ever crossed your mind that your ancestors (the baubers) got pushed out because they couldn’t cut it there?

Listen man you should learn how to manage situations without a gun, just in case you ever leave the farm. What if you wanna take the missus to Paris or something and someone pushes you in the subway? You gonna slaughter all them frenchies?
[/quote]

Couldn’t cut it? So, we came here and became the most dominant and powerful country in the world and saved Europe, not once but TWICE from the Germans. Guess you couldn’t cut it against them.

I wouldn’t be caught fucking dead anywhere in France. I have been and it is a disgusting shithole.[/quote]

That’s a rather simplistic view now isn’t it? You certainly did help (just like the frogs helped you win the revolution), but it’s not like the ruskies did nothing.

I’m surprised you don’t like France, it’s mostly a rural country outside of a few cities. I thought it would be right up your alley.[/quote]

The only thing that is worth seeing in France are the Beaches of Normandy where thousands of soldiers lost their lives. And Omaha Beach where the cemetery is located.

And I say France is a shithole not because of how it actually looks, but the insane ideology and pussification that has taken over the country for a long time now.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
and saved Europe, not once but TWICE from the Germans. Guess you couldn’t cut it against them.

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But they have low gun violence rates!

Why would they need American guns (and lives) to help them?
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Must have been to counteract all the American guns possessed by the common German man, with their liberal gun laws.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
and saved Europe, not once but TWICE from the Germans. Guess you couldn’t cut it against them.

[/quote]

But they have low gun violence rates!

Why would they need American guns (and lives) to help them?
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Right? I think we should send Europe ALL of our anti-gun people. They can be happy there in a utopia of no gun violence.