NY Thug Versus Arizona Trucker

Bauber · March 26, 2014, 4:26pm

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]

Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.

I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]

Also, in this fucked up world you don’t know what else the guy has on him (knife, gun, etc) or who is with him, so yes my oversized pussy ass will fucking shoot you if you attempt to harm me or those with me for no reason.

And please tell me why I should risk bodily harm/ injury on the account of not putting holes in someone who is criminally trying to hit me when I have done nothing wrong?

And stay in your pos country please.

super_saiyan · March 26, 2014, 4:25pm

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
The gun is not the be all end all to every situation. When someone is all in your face it is probably not the best idea to pull a gun since they can fight you for it, a knife would be much better.[/quote]

lol, what?

Because a knife is glued to your hands or something?

If the logic for no gun is they might get it from you and use it against you (which is possible). How is that logic any different for any weapon?

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I do agree with him if he means a gun isn’t the instant death ray people believe it is.[/quote]

Neither is a knife, or any other weapon.

I’m NOT saying having a gun on you is always the best plan. I’m NOT saying it is always prudent to pull a gun if you did have it. I am saying, based on his rational for not having a gun, a knife is just as bad an option. [/quote]

Nunchuks are best option. Nobody would try taking my nunchuks from me while those tandem rotors of destruction are staring them in the face.

Bauber · March 26, 2014, 4:28pm

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
? Has nobody been in a fight on here?

This was normal growing up, nobody got shot, nobody got curb stomped.

I mean really not being a dick, just trying to understand what was so brutal on here? [/quote]

No one on a website called testosterone nation has ever been in a violent altercation…lol[/quote]
Just reading the first page, I get the feeling this was barbaric.

Again maybe I am the barbarian but I am of a different age group.[/quote]

Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]
Oh I agree I am to old to deal with shit like that. Honestly now I just walk away, I have to much to lose financially to get in a fight over male pride. I have learned that my license to practice is a fragile thing and I will not jeopardize that shit for anything. [/quote]

I completely agree. I would walk away too, but if he came after me as I had disengaged. He is dead. Any sane person who knows and carries is going to try every last thing to get out of the situation before using deadly force. But if the instigate violence, they are going to get it back to the extreme.

RATTLEHEAD · March 26, 2014, 4:29pm

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Being Scottish, I figured you would actually understand… [/quote]

Being Scottish, I remember the Dunblane massacre and the family in my neighbourhood that lost a child.
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One child huh? While sad, tragic even, and I feel for the parents… How many people has government killed?

Like I said, lacking an elementary understanding of human history.

But I mean, good thing guns are banned so crazy people can’t kill anyone. [/quote]

16 kids died and 15 were injured. I remember that history just fine and understand the impact of weak legislative prohibitions may have for innocent people in the crossfire.

Now, after legislative changes Scotland enjoys having one of the lowest gun homicide rates in the word and gun crime being the lowest it has been since statistics began for us. However, I don’t think you understand that under UK law we are indeed allowed to utilise firearms for home defence, if the situation so calls for it.

Don’t sweat over it man, our sensibilities are just entirely different and no matter what either one of us will say it will not change the others opinions.

P.S. If I stayed in USA I would own a gun, however that is due to the entirely different culture and society that is present there.

Bauber · March 26, 2014, 4:35pm

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]

Let me get this straight, someone throws a punch at you and deserves to die? Under those same conditions - some single tweeker, while you’re with your buddies? A guy your size.
You need to man the fuck up and stop being an oversized pussy.

I know 'murica is full of backward hicks and has stupid gun laws but if you could legally get away with this then I don’t know what to tell ya. No developed country allows that.[/quote]

What a tool.

Defense laws have nothing to do with deserving to die. If that were the case, you could shoot someone after they had swung at you and then retreated. That of course isn’t the case meaning your claim is ignorant and lacks any real thought.

Defense laws are about law abiding people not having the duty to take injury for the sake of preserving their attackers well being.

There is no death penalty for violently attacking someone. There are sometimes however natural consequences that can include death.

Free men have no duty to provide for the safety of a violent attacker at risk to their own body. You suggesting that he does have a duty and that the law should reflect such is to claim that the government owns his body and has the right to risk his health as it sees fit.

You are the one that is a backwards European know it all with your nose so far up your own ass you walk around claiming everyone else smells like shit.[/quote]

What are you babbling about DoubleDouche, you don’t think shooting that scrawny little man for a girly swing would have been over the top?

Especially for a guy as big as bauber?
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Does the guy have a knife? does he have a gun? Does he have aids? No man should be forced to take that risk.

And I was also referring to you ignorant stereotyping bigoted derogatory insults. Are all people in Portugal as much a bigot as you, or should I not file this as a negative reflection on your country and instead as just one idiot.[/quote]

Where do you draw the line?
What if some punk looking kid comes to me and says “hey dude got a lighter”? should I just answer “yeah I got just the thing to light you up” and then shoot him in the kneecap because I don’t want to take risks?
Actually, this sounds kinda cool now that I think about it.

Bottom line is, a punch doesn’t warrant going Frank Castle on someone.
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Reductio ad absurdum. I could equally accuse your of forcing me to watch while my wife is raped and murdered because you don’t want the criminal killed. Where do you draw the line man? Why do you want my wife raped and beaten to death?

In reality, drawing a weapon would almost certainly have ended the black guy’s bravado and the fight with no one hurt. It’s why there are different requirements for using deadly force vs. using threat of deadly force. If you get attacked you have the right to use the threat (drawing a weapon).[/quote]

That is an absolutely retarded comparison. Not even remotely the same thing. If some dude takes a swing at you and you immediately draw down him because you can, you have major issues and need to reevaluate your life. [/quote]

Drawing your weapon can immediately diffuse the situation. If he immediately backed off and turned tail and ran, which is likely - of course I would not shoot him. But, if he continued to advance or started reaching for something… well then you know what would happen.

I don’t like to fight nor am I violent. And sorry but I value my well being over some idiot’s life who wants to attack me or swing at me for no reason. Plus, I am hardly ever alone. I usually am in company with a 6 year old.

knee_gro · March 26, 2014, 4:35pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Reductio ad absurdum. I could equally accuse your of forcing me to watch while my wife is raped and murdered because you don’t want the criminal killed. Where do you draw the line man? Why do you want my wife raped and beaten to death?

In reality, drawing a weapon would almost certainly have ended the black guy’s bravado and the fight with no one hurt. It’s why there are different requirements for using deadly force vs. using threat of deadly force. If you get attacked you have the right to use the threat (drawing a weapon).[/quote]

I think your wife should have fun but you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.

Word of advice though, never expect to end anything by pulling out a gun. [/quote]

Swing and a miss. The first paragraph was a copy of your argument repeated back to you to illustrate the absurdity. I was mocking you using your own reasoning. I don’t for a second believe that argument because it would be as inane as your post.

Cops do it all the time. What your experience/training/knowledge-base with fire arms?[/quote]

I know you don’t believe that same way you know I don’t believe what I wrote about shooting someone who asks me for a lighter. Cigarettes are a different matter, those fuckers are expensive.

Listen I know my first post with the hicks comments were incendiary and unnecessary but I have witnessed enough shit to know that drawing a gun can instigate a situation instead of defusing it.

talon2nr7588 · March 26, 2014, 4:37pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
The gun is not the be all end all to every situation. When someone is all in your face it is probably not the best idea to pull a gun since they can fight you for it, a knife would be much better.[/quote]

lol, what?

Because a knife is glued to your hands or something?

If the logic for no gun is they might get it from you and use it against you (which is possible). How is that logic any different for any weapon?

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I do agree with him if he means a gun isn’t the instant death ray people believe it is.[/quote]

this.

csulli · March 26, 2014, 4:38pm

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.
[/quote]
In all seriousness though he didn’t go off the deep end any farther than you did. Maybe there is a language barrier at work here, I dunno. You went from shooting someone because they assaulted you to shooting someone because they asked you a question. You went full tard first, and DD was trying to show you your error by doing the same thing. I think it went over your head though.[/quote]

It didn’t go over my head, I just think he pulled a metaphorical gun on me after I took a metaphorical swing at him.
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We can go deeper. Let’s get even more meta.

knee_gro · March 26, 2014, 4:42pm

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.
[/quote]
In all seriousness though he didn’t go off the deep end any farther than you did. Maybe there is a language barrier at work here, I dunno. You went from shooting someone because they assaulted you to shooting someone because they asked you a question. You went full tard first, and DD was trying to show you your error by doing the same thing. I think it went over your head though.[/quote]

It didn’t go over my head, I just think he pulled a metaphorical gun on me after I took a metaphorical swing at him.
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We can go deeper. Let’s get even more meta.[/quote]

Literally.

Bauber · March 26, 2014, 4:43pm

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]Will207 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
? Has nobody been in a fight on here?

This was normal growing up, nobody got shot, nobody got curb stomped.

I mean really not being a dick, just trying to understand what was so brutal on here? [/quote]

No one on a website called testosterone nation has ever been in a violent altercation…lol[/quote]
Just reading the first page, I get the feeling this was barbaric.

Again maybe I am the barbarian but I am of a different age group.[/quote]

Well I don’t think it was barbaric. I meant the beating he got was pretty brutal to his pride and head. I mean if it were me - I would have filled him full of .45 caliber hollow points after he swung at me…

I am not going to fistfight anyone. I value my body over some idiot who wants to try and harm me for no reason. So, I will just gladly pull the trigger to avoid bodily harm.[/quote]

I don’t know the laws in your state, but I don’t see a jury tipping the scale in your favour if you shot and killed an unarmed man for taking a swing. You look to be over 300lbs and would have a hard time claiming you feared for your life after a punch was thrown.

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Having worked with quite a few attorneys, I can tell you that Bauer’s defense attorney would have very little trouble with this scenario.

There is precedent that smaller, thinner men have killed with one blow. One! Bauer is a bodybuilder, not a prizefighter, martial artist etc.

Look at how many posts here state that the white guy showed restraint by not kicking him in the head. Doesn’t that tell you something about what we currently expect to happen when in a fight?

So yes, were it Bauer who was attacked by this guy, and had he shot the guy AFTER being attacked, a self defense strategy would work just fine. NOBODY would expect Bauer to either walk away or to engage in a fight and ‘teach the guy a lesson’.
It is much more likely that the jury would understand him fearing for his life especially since this idiot attacked a guy twice his size because who would do that, right? Has got to be a guy who is crazy or packing.

Either way, easy enough for the attorney to persuade the jury that Bauer was right in fearing for his life. Heck, virtually anyone seeing the video would if they place themselves in the shoes of the guy that was attacked.

Again, who, in his RIGHT MIND, would attack two guys that outweigh him by 50lbs each?

The guy who would be stupid enough to hit a man Bauer’s size WILL have a history of violence. Whether he was convicted for it or not. Shit will be uncovered.

The jury would convene for a short time only and Bauer would be just fine.[/quote]

Pretty much exactly how it would go in a non-libtard state that doesn’t protect criminals over law-abiding citizens.

OH and I have asthma, a long history of it!

I have been carrying for near 6 years. I have drawn my gun once while alone at a gas station with my young child. Never had to fire it and hope I never do at a human. I never want to take anyone’s life, but if my hand is forced I will not think twice about it.

I am not some crazy nut. I am a father, homeowner, professional, and I take my life and the lives of those close to me seriously.

DoubleDuce · March 26, 2014, 4:43pm

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.
[/quote]
In all seriousness though he didn’t go off the deep end any farther than you did. Maybe there is a language barrier at work here, I dunno. You went from shooting someone because they assaulted you to shooting someone because they asked you a question. You went full tard first, and DD was trying to show you your error by doing the same thing. I think it went over your head though.[/quote]

It didn’t go over my head, I just think he pulled a metaphorical gun on me after I took a metaphorical swing at him. I got out of line but he overreacted.

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You do realize you you equated pulling a gun on someone violently attacking you to knee capping a guy for asking a question, right?

And it wasn’t an over reaction it was facetious.

Bauber · March 26, 2014, 4:46pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:
you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.
[/quote]
In all seriousness though he didn’t go off the deep end any farther than you did. Maybe there is a language barrier at work here, I dunno. You went from shooting someone because they assaulted you to shooting someone because they asked you a question. You went full tard first, and DD was trying to show you your error by doing the same thing. I think it went over your head though.[/quote]

It didn’t go over my head, I just think he pulled a metaphorical gun on me after I took a metaphorical swing at him. I got out of line but he overreacted.

[/quote]

You do realize you you equated pulling a gun on someone violently attacking you to knee capping a guy for asking a question, right?

And it wasn’t an over reaction it was facetious.[/quote]

You can’t argue with the ingrained ideology of stupidity in Europe these days. That is why our ancestors got the fuck out. I hope the next few generations in Europe get used to speaking Russian or Chinese…

Testy1 · March 26, 2014, 4:52pm

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
The gun is not the be all end all to every situation. When someone is all in your face it is probably not the best idea to pull a gun since they can fight you for it, a knife would be much better.[/quote]

lol, what?

Because a knife is glued to your hands or something?

If the logic for no gun is they might get it from you and use it against you (which is possible). How is that logic any different for any weapon?

[/quote]

I do agree with him if he means a gun isn’t the instant death ray people believe it is.[/quote]

Neither is a knife, or any other weapon.

I’m NOT saying having a gun on you is always the best plan. I’m NOT saying it is always prudent to pull a gun if you did have it. I am saying, based on his rational for not having a gun, a knife is just as bad an option. [/quote]

Nunchuks are best option. Nobody would try taking my nunchuks from me while those tandem rotors of destruction are staring them in the face. [/quote]

Usually with nunchuks you can just wait for the user to injure himself.

DoubleDuce · March 26, 2014, 5:02pm

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Reductio ad absurdum. I could equally accuse your of forcing me to watch while my wife is raped and murdered because you don’t want the criminal killed. Where do you draw the line man? Why do you want my wife raped and beaten to death?

In reality, drawing a weapon would almost certainly have ended the black guy’s bravado and the fight with no one hurt. It’s why there are different requirements for using deadly force vs. using threat of deadly force. If you get attacked you have the right to use the threat (drawing a weapon).[/quote]

I think your wife should have fun but you went off the deep end dude. There’s no point in even having a discussion if you keep going full tard like you just did in that first paragraph of yours.

Word of advice though, never expect to end anything by pulling out a gun. [/quote]

Swing and a miss. The first paragraph was a copy of your argument repeated back to you to illustrate the absurdity. I was mocking you using your own reasoning. I don’t for a second believe that argument because it would be as inane as your post.

Cops do it all the time. What your experience/training/knowledge-base with fire arms?[/quote]

I know you don’t believe that same way you know I don’t believe what I wrote about shooting someone who asks me for a lighter. Cigarettes are a different matter, those fuckers are expensive.

Listen I know my first post with the hicks comments were incendiary and unnecessary but I have witnessed enough shit to know that drawing a gun can instigate a situation instead of defusing it.
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Certainly it’s possible. I’ll even go farther and say really strict gun control can lower death rates if you basically get rid of almost all fire arms and place the state over self-defense rights. (Though in the US due to geological proximity to certain states, that’s virtually impossible as verified by crime statistics in restrictive areas of the US.) But, you have to have a public that trusts the government and believes it will keep them safe. As such it also enables gross state instigated atrocities by removing the ultimate protection from tyranny. Yes, history proves it can happen even in “enlightened” states. You sacrifice a little freedom for a little passing social security, made possible by equal participation of all your neighboring states. We both can’t and won’t. I’m willing to bet this “backwards hick” has a far better understanding of weapons, contextual conditions, and history than you do, so I’ll make my own judgments about how to stay alive.

countingbeans · March 26, 2014, 5:04pm