Nutrition Myths

Nutrition
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No fair. You can’t go and bring the thread back to it’s original purpose!

[quote]EdensAngel wrote:

  • protein is bad for the kidneys.
    No, it isn’t, as long as you are healthy and don’t already have kidney problems.

I agree with you. It isn’t BAD but excessive consumption of it is hard on the kidneys. Just a “guess”, but I’m assuming that’s why they say drink a lot of water.

“…excess protein intake may put more demands on the liver, which converts N (nitrogen) to urea and the kidneys, to excrete excess urea than they are prepared to handle” “Nutrition & Diet Therapy” 8th Edition, Ruth A. Roth and Carolynn E. Townsend

  • creatine is bad for you.
    No, it isn’t. Many studies show creatine has numerous positive effects as well as cell volumization.

I won’t touch this one. Sometimes when I look at it, I see the word creatinine. Creatinine is an end (waste) product of protein metabolism.

  • milk is bad for you.
    No, it isn’t. Some people are not able to tolerate components of milk, but in general, milk is a powerful tool for bodybuilders.

I’ve never heard this one before. I’ve heard of too much calcium but I’ve heard more recently that increasing your calcium intake can actually decrease the risk of kidney stones. And for anyone who’s at risk for osteoporosis they’ve actually been suggesting 2200 mg of calcium per day. This information I got from ToneYourBones.org

What can I say? I really enjoyed my nutrition class in college. lol[/quote]

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[quote]TopSirloin wrote:

Thanks for contributing… that was brilliant. I can see all your years research is paying off.[/quote]

Can’t say I really care for your idiot sarcastic remarks considering you are a big pussy afraid of milk.

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Vroom,

Biggest one that fries everyone’s mind once they grasp it (in my experience):
“A calorie is not a calorie.”

-Most average folks are familiar with the idea of a ‘negative calorie’ but never seem to grasp the magnitude of this paradox in relation to diet, calories, and biomass.

This one is more of a peeve than a myth;
“Everything in moderation.”

-I have actually heard nutritional biochemists and general practitioners offer this as dietary advice and it seems almost amuzingly ‘Monty Pythonesque’ to me. To lose weight, eat the right foods in the right amounts that cause you to lose weight. Thanks. I guess the myth would be that not all nutritionists/GPs know squat about dieting.

One more that might ruffle some feathers, but JB’s articles seem to suggest agreement:
“The average person isn’t fat because of their diet or lack of exercise.”

-The average person is fat because of their lifestyle. It’s a subtle difference, but one that may be understated. Lots of people eat poorly and diet gets the blame for making them fat when in reality, the person chooses (consciously or unconsciously) to eat/exercise poorly. When I see a 600# person has to be cut out of a house and wheeled to the hospital, I don’t blame their diet, I blame the person who feeds them everyday, and the individual themself for thinking, “I’m 525, but this stick of butter, that’s okay.” Extreme I know, but a large majority of the population does it to some degree.

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EdensAngel,

What you’ve provided is the common repeated misconception concerning protein consumption.

If you have healthy kidneys, you aren’t going to run into a problem because you are eating protein.

There are groups, such as Eskimo’s, which would live off of basically nothing other than protein and fat.

However, studies conducted with those that had pre-existing kidney problems did in fact show added stress. This does not mean that healthy people cannot process waste byproducts of a normal metabolism. That is precisely what the kidneys are intended to do.

For some reason, over time, people have created concerns about what our body can and can’t handle, without any real reason to do so.

Recently fats were the devil. Perhaps to some carbs are the devil. I’m sure it will be proteins turn soon once supplements are in general determined to be the devil.

If you wish to claim something is harmful, I’d suggest, especially for this thread, that you avoid anecdotal evidence and find something resembling proof.

Anyway, as I’ve stated repeatedly, the fact that something isn’t bad for you doesn’t mean you should eat enough of it to kill yourself. Hell, you can drink water and kill yourself with it if you try hard enough.

However, water isn’t “bad” for you per se.

Come on folks, lets kill these pesky nutritional myths and folklore…

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[quote]vroom wrote:
EdensAngel,

What you’ve provided is the common repeated misconception concerning protein consumption.

If you have healthy kidneys, you aren’t going to run into a problem because you are eating protein.

There are groups, such as Eskimo’s, which would live off of basically nothing other than protein and fat.

However, studies conducted with those that had pre-existing kidney problems did in fact show added stress. This does not mean that healthy people cannot process waste byproducts of a normal metabolism. That is precisely what the kidneys are intended to do.

For some reason, over time, people have created concerns about what our body can and can’t handle, without any real reason to do so.

Recently fats were the devil. Perhaps to some carbs are the devil. I’m sure it will be proteins turn soon once supplements are in general determined to be the devil.

If you wish to claim something is harmful, I’d suggest, especially for this thread, that you avoid anecdotal evidence and find something resembling proof.

Anyway, as I’ve stated repeatedly, the fact that something isn’t bad for you doesn’t mean you should eat enough of it to kill yourself. Hell, you can drink water and kill yourself with it if you try hard enough.

However, water isn’t “bad” for you per se.

Come on folks, lets kill these pesky nutritional myths and folklore…[/quote]

Dunno, vroom, EA’s a nurse…she might have some inside knowledge, whattaya think?
I think she’s correct–as far as it’s not ‘bad’ for you, but it probably does stress the kidneys a little more than not.
That’s one of the reasons you tend to …put out more fluid when you eat more protein.
Notice: I said “one of”.
You’re also not completely wrong.

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:

Dunno, vroom, EA’s a nurse…she might have some inside knowledge, whattaya think?
I think she’s correct–as far as it’s not ‘bad’ for you, but it probably does stress the kidneys a little more than not.
That’s one of the reasons you tend to …put out more fluid when you eat more protein.
Notice: I said “one of”.
You’re also not completely wrong.[/quote]

Being a nurse has nothing to do with the misconception. You have some doctors who still believe creatine is dangerous despite the evidence to the contrary. Many of these myths survive in the health field as well simply because people want to believe them, not because they are true.

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Joe, it’s possibel Eden has some inside knowledge.

It’s also possible that her training consisted of the same tired old textbooks that have fed some of these myths for a long time.

I’d like to see something, by way of evidence, to show for this. If her inside knowledge allows her to bring real evidence to the table, I’m all for it. Truly.

Something like “strain” is a very funny word by the way. I mean, asking the body to function in a way it is meant to, doesn’t imply harm.

For example, I’m sure if you wanted, you could point out that lifting weights, or getting exercise, puts a lot of strain on the body… however, this strain is considered healthy, by most.

Strain is one of those things that forces the body to react and adapt, which is what it was actually made to do.

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I am lactose intolerent and must also avoid nuts. Yet strangely, these are the two food groups i can’t get enough of. Milk, cheese, yoghurt, almonds, etc. I feel alot better and perform better off them. But then i just get addicted again.

Is there an explanation for this?

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[quote]Beatnik wrote:
I am lactose intolerent and must also avoid nuts. Yet strangely, these are the two food groups i can’t get enough of. Milk, cheese, yoghurt, almonds, etc. I feel alot better and perform better off them. But then i just get addicted again.

Is there an explanation for this?[/quote]

It’s called a food intolerance or food allergy. A typical response, actually.

Look at the book Is This Your Child? By Doris Rapp. I know, it says ‘child’ in the title, but it’s really an excellent source of info on food allergies and what are some signs of allergy, among other things. It’s been great.

Also look at www.feingold.org for more info on food sensitivies.

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To everyone who doesn’t want me to drink milk:

  1. Shut up.

  2. You are not going to persuade anyone to stop drinking milk.

  3. If I’m not mistaken, you (all of you collectively) are the guy that works at Vitamin World who tries to get me to buy soy nuts and hand cream.

Milk is fucking delicious,
Bear

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[quote]EdensAngel wrote:

  • protein is bad for the kidneys.
    No, it isn’t, as long as you are healthy and don’t already have kidney problems.

I agree with you. It isn’t BAD but excessive consumption of it is hard on the kidneys. Just a “guess”, but I’m assuming that’s why they say drink a lot of water.

“…excess protein intake may put more demands on the liver, which converts N (nitrogen) to urea and the kidneys, to excrete excess urea than they are prepared to handle” “Nutrition & Diet Therapy” 8th Edition, Ruth A. Roth and Carolynn E. Townsend

  • creatine is bad for you.
    No, it isn’t. Many studies show creatine has numerous positive effects as well as cell volumization.

I won’t touch this one. Sometimes when I look at it, I see the word creatinine. Creatinine is an end (waste) product of protein metabolism.

  • milk is bad for you.
    No, it isn’t. Some people are not able to tolerate components of milk, but in general, milk is a powerful tool for bodybuilders.

I’ve never heard this one before. I’ve heard of too much calcium but I’ve heard more recently that increasing your calcium intake can actually decrease the risk of kidney stones. And for anyone who’s at risk for osteoporosis they’ve actually been suggesting 2200 mg of calcium per day. This information I got from ToneYourBones.org

What can I say? I really enjoyed my nutrition class in college. lol[/quote]

Creatinine is what creatine is basically “used” creatine. It is a waste product, but study after study show it to be non-toxic.

Water is just necessary for building muscle; it’s not necessarily to “help” your kidneys, though it certainly cannot hurt.

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[quote]Mr. Bear wrote:
To everyone who doesn’t want me to drink milk:

  1. Shut up.

  2. You are not going to persuade anyone to stop drinking milk.

  3. If I’m not mistaken, you (all of you collectively) are the guy that works at Vitamin World who tries to get me to buy soy nuts and hand cream.

Milk is fucking delicious,

Bear[/quote]

I agree

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Vroom said, “Now, grab a clue and go find somewhere else to spread your food conspiracy theories. You haven’t come up with a single useful argument yet in this entire thread.”

Vroom, this is complete nonsense because there exists a plethora of credible professionals that have a similar view as I do.

I have most definitely made connections with my points, both personal and factual empedimic accounts. Remember, I’m not a couch potatoe that uses infomercials to get educated. I’ve been immersed in human nutrition and a professional for many years now.

We have agreed on many subjects in the past. I generally think you have some very helpful posts. Unfortunately, however, you take quite the energy to peronally blast anyone that disagrees with you in almost every thread you post on. Keep in mind that even your contributions are mere opinion - you are not Dr. Berardi.

Now, go ahead and have the last word, making sure people know you think you are always right and those who disagree with you and totally full of BS.

Good day,

TS

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Sirloin,

You have pointed to zero proof. It doesn’t matter how many professionals have an “opinion” out of the blue.

Please, find some proof and bring it here.

I’m happy to learn!

Until then, if you wish to spread misinformation about food and nutrition I really do wish you’d choose another thread for it.

Thank you.

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[quote]TopSirloin wrote:
Vroom said, “Now, grab a clue and go find somewhere else to spread your food conspiracy theories. You haven’t come up with a single useful argument yet in this entire thread.”

Vroom, this is complete nonsense because there exists a plethora of credible professionals that have a similar view as I do.

I have most definitely made connections with my points, both personal and factual empedimic accounts. Remember, I’m not a couch potatoe that uses infomercials to get educated. I’ve been immersed in human nutrition and a professional for many years now.

We have agreed on many subjects in the past. I generally think you have some very helpful posts. Unfortunately, however, you take quite the energy to peronally blast anyone that disagrees with you in almost every thread you post on. Keep in mind that even your contributions are mere opinion - you are not Dr. Berardi.

Now, go ahead and have the last word, making sure people know you think you are always right and those who disagree with you and totally full of BS.

Good day,

TS[/quote]

I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. I do have a problem with someone trying to “connect” seperate evidence and then claiming that A+B always equals C. In this circumstance, that is not the case. Someone being lactose intolerant does not mean the human race is not supposed to drink milk past enfancy. Because some people are fat and inactive, it doesn’t mean that all grains and dairy products are to blame for obesity or poor health. You are stretching to make connections and, truthfully, I could care less who you find that supports your notions. If the info doesn’t pan out when dragged across logical thought, then it will be discarded as bullshit.

I have been drinking milk for years and think it is great for supporting a bodybuilding lifestyle. The only time I might cut it out is when trying to lose the last 10lbs at the end of a diet and that is mostly due to restricting carb intake.

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I’m just putting this out there. We DO drink milk in this family. It’s the easiest way to get my kids to drink their protein. (Mix the chocolate w/ some milk.)

Have any of you that TS is trying to convince visited www.notmilk.com and checked it out?

That website put me off of milk for MONTHS.

I’m back. I drink the all natural organic milk now, though. Just because I like it better.

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This vroom/prof combo is beginning to look eerily similar through several threads.

One is even answering for the other----hmmmmmmmmm

But it is good to see your civility on threads other than the political forum. This IS what you explained to ZEB the other day, right. That you are here to learn about exercise and nutrition, that you’re only a rude bastard on the political forum–(paraphrased-before you scream about being directly misquoted)

Now get in your .02 so everyone knows this is your thread and disenters should go start their own. That’s not learning, that is promulgating.

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[quote]sasquatch wrote:
This vroom/prof combo is beginning to look eerily similar through several threads.

One is even answering for the other----hmmmmmmmmm

But it is good to see your civility on threads other than the political forum. This IS what you explained to ZEB the other day, right. That you are here to learn about exercise and nutrition, that you’re only a rude bastard on the political forum–(paraphrased-before you scream about being directly misquoted)

Now get in your .02 so everyone knows this is your thread and disenters should go start their own. That’s not learning, that is promulgating.[/quote]

Did you misread this thread? Evidence was requested. The evidence provided is lacking. What is your problem with this?

I mean, besides the obvious.

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Wow, thanks for bringing in that positive contribution Sasquatch!

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Wow, thanks for bringing in that positive contribution Sasquatch![/quote]

No sir

you starting a thread and then being abusive and swearing at a dissenter was the real (sarcastic) positive contribution to this thread.

I actually agree with both TS and the prof. in many ways on this thread. You’ll find that impossible, but I can see TS’s point, and I actually appreciated most of the prof’s replies—right up to the point where the name calling and ‘listen here bub, I’m getting piised off’ started. I made no comment 'till then. So my reply is merely restating what’s there for the world to see. Hardly a contribution, you would be correct, more of a snapshot in time of why these threads degenerate. And correctly showing how the prof will reply with scientific prowess, and you turn to personal attacks.

By the way:

I love milk–(WI)
I eat 3-400g of protein a day
I don’t use/respond to creatine
I eat most of my carbs between 6a-3p
I don’t get anal about my diet–if I want something I eat it
I consume fish, flax, and olive oil daily
So there–contributor

But I do agree that excessive protein is hard on the kidneys over the haul. I’m always sure to consume almost 2 gallons of water daily.

Peace