Nutrition Myths

Nutrition
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[quote]TopSirloin wrote:
I think you guys are missing the weight room for the mirrors. Do you not understand big-business and lobbying??? Of course the Canadian and American gov’s stand up against the slander of grains and dairy because it’s BIG BUSINESS!!! They make up a giant portion of their GDP! Yet, you guys have no problem knocking soy, do you?! Another BIG BIZ crop that did an excellent job lobbying their keisters off to get soy into our diets. And, they did a great job! Yet, we are finding that soy is absolute crap.

Well, some of us feel the same about grains and dairy dominating our diet as we do about soy. You all are just choosing to look they other way on this one, because it may not be quite as obvious nor pandemic. [/quote]

How did soy get transplanted for milk? This is like saying “heroin and cocain are bad, so marijuana should never be legalized for medical use”. Uh, what does that have to do with marijuana?

Dairy doesn’t “dominate” my diet. It has been a part of my diet for years, however. In that time, I have gone up over 100lbs in body weight and my strength has increased along with it. I am not complaining. As far as keeping an open mind, I thought that is exactly what I am doing. A closed mind would be the one to “assume” milk is bad based on lacking and shallow evidence despite the huge population that drinks milk in health daily for most of their life.

I don’t drink milk because of “big business”. I drink milk because it has done my body good. I could care less about milk ads. I was drinking the stuff long before most of them anyway.

By the way, to make milk out to be bad would mean you would logically have to feel the same about most beef products. I will keep my beef and my milk. If I ever want to downgrade to a size medium shirt instead of the XXL-XXXL’s I usually buy, I’ll look you up.

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Sirloin,

Grains and dairy were in our diet before there was such a thing as big business. You talk about things “making sense”, but that isn’t enough.

Grains were in our damned diet during the time of the Egyptians. I don’t think it was a big government cover up or a Monsanto backed conspiracy at that point.

Indeed, pointing to a bunch of studies is nice, but any reaching conclusions drawn when the evidence doesn’t support those conclusions is a problem.

Again, you can certainly rail against the processing that occurs. However, given that we all are living longer and healthier lives, anecdotally, we sure as hell are doing something right, don’t you think?

When you have something other than conjecture, come on back and tell us about it… because at that point it won’t be a myth.

Honestly, I’m one of the people in the politics forum always crying about trusting the government and trusting big business, so I certainly agree with you on that front.

I’m leery of getting into bioengineered foods, of having substances starting to appear in our foods because of convenience to growers, processors and distributors, but the basic foods themselves show no evidence of being “bad” foods.

The majority of us eat them. The majority of us live long and healthy lives compared to previous generations. By definition, the foods aren’t bad for the majority of us.

This, even though the majority of us live sedentary lardass lives while making incredibly poor food choices such as fries, McDonalds, ice cream, cakes, faux foods and so on.

Dammit, for every test I’ve ever gotten, I’ve been nice and healthy, too bad I’ve eaten grains for breakfast forever, eggs whenever I damned well please, milk many times a day and enough red meat to singlehandedly put a dent in the cow population, meanwhile, in my younger days guzzling enough beer to raise the price of barley in North America.

You’d think, that if any one of these foods was actively “bad” for you, I might have developed some type of health issue other than being overweight.

The body is built to deal with most minor insults, especially when it gets some exercise and a good smattering of required nutrients.

However, I’m certain I’d have blown up in some capacity if I hadn’t changed my ways with respect to returning to an active lifestyle though.

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Trying to use some people’s intolerance to milk as a reasoning behind milk being “bad” is rediculous. If that was the case, then peanuts and nuts would be “bad” since there are those who are intolerant to peanuts/nuts, as well as fruits, berries, seafood, chocolate, and many other foods would be considered “bad”.

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Top sirlion, I’ll make this short. You bought a masterfully constructed marketing strategy called Create a Problem, then Sell the Solution.

For someone so savy of the ways of big business and govt., I’m surprised that you didn’t catch that.

There are a number of other manipulative devices at work there too, but I am not about to disect and analyze every aspect of their strategy.
Just for the sake of the thread though, please cut your crap.
Busy yourself with the ancient artisinal techniques of tinfoil hat folding or something.

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My last comments to vroom on this: being overweight IS indeed a health condition, resultant from eating foods the elicit a relatively large insulin reaction = DAIRY AND GRAINS!! You just proved my point, sir! You epidomized what’s happening across the West. Albeit, there is not enough exercise being done in the least - I’ll concede that point in full.

However, had you made meat and veggies your 80% of your diet, I doubt you would have been overfat. Alas though, you used exercise and etting educated in fitness to overcome that condition (props to you!). Obesity/overfatness is one of the top conditions that leads to adverse cardiovascular events and cancers. Therefore, grains and dairy may not directly cause disease, but they can cause conditions that in turn lead to disease.

Nuff said out of me… I mean it this time.

TS

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Sirloin,

FFS, I’ve already alluded to this fact above when I said that chronic hyperinsulinemia was bad for people.

This does not fucking mean grains are bad for you.

It means you shouldn’t eat too much of any one goddamn thing.

Now, go start you own thread to spread misinformation and nonsense in. This one is for the countering of such hysteric nonsense.

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[quote]CU AeroStallion wrote:
I’ve heard that eating pussy makes you ripped, is this true?[/quote]

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[quote]chinadoll wrote:
True

CU AeroStallion wrote:
I’ve heard that eating pussy makes you ripped, is this true?

[/quote]

I know it builds my neck and always leads to :

  1. A great ab workout
  2. Me serving up a protein shake in return
  3. A nice soft scratching of my back with those french tipped nails…all over my back and big bald head.

Chinadoll, hon-you seemed so p/od’ in your last post-it made me laugh- Calling someone fruitty-totally funny and something I do…I have called guys cupcake, sizzlechest, muffin, and Fruitloop when they have pissed me off-there is nothing like an (alleged) grown man-a good 100lbs less than you-looking in your eyes and having their new name register…classic. As always babe-you rock the rock!

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[quote]CU AeroStallion wrote:
I’ve heard that eating pussy makes you ripped, is this true?[/quote]

yeah but i herd taht if u dont cycle it of it is bad for ur kidnys

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Sirloin,

FFS, I’ve already alluded to this fact above when I said that chronic hyperinsulinemia was bad for people.

This does not fucking mean grains are bad for you.

It means you shouldn’t eat too much of any one goddamn thing.

Now, go start you own thread to spread misinformation and nonsense in. This one is for the countering of such hysteric nonsense.[/quote]

Easy vroomie.

You have truth on your side.
F* him.

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[quote]PGA200X wrote:
TriGWU wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
vroom wrote:

  • milk is bad for you.
    No, it isn’t. Some people are not able to tolerate components of milk, but in general, milk is a powerful tool for bodybuilders.

There is a reason why our enzymes shut down and inhibit the digestion of milk, we’re not designed to consume it after the nursing phase. No other animal on the planet consumes milk after the nursing period and we are no different.

No other animal on the planet uses computers.

I’ve seen monkey’s and birds use simple computers.[/quote]

Have you seen them perform surgery?

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who cares about this bullshit, we have to deal with a greater number of impurities in the air and other foods and shit than what is in milk. The fact is is that the body is constantly bombarded by bad things all the time, milk is nothing compared to those…

besides milk has protein, and protein = muscle. so stop talking and start chugging

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[quote]TopSirloin wrote:
My last comments to vroom on this: being overweight IS indeed a health condition, resultant from eating foods the elicit a relatively large insulin reaction = DAIRY AND GRAINS!! You just proved my point, sir! You epidomized what’s happening across the West. Albeit, there is not enough exercise being done in the least - I’ll concede that point in full. [/quote]

So, you can’t get fat from any other food source?

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Hey Yorba!!

[quote]Yorbabarbell wrote:
2) Me serving up a protein shake in return
[/quote]

Hehehe…so clever!!! LMFAO!!! Great to see you posting!!

The milk issue: Not to make fun of a heated issue, but I saw this photo somewhere. Microbiology lab in college and culturing all the naturally-occurring bacteria in post-pasteurized milk k.o.'d milk drinking for me for life, but I do like frozen yogurt, ice cream, whey protein.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
TopSirloin wrote:
My last comments to vroom on this: being overweight IS indeed a health condition, resultant from eating foods the elicit a relatively large insulin reaction = DAIRY AND GRAINS!! You just proved my point, sir! You epidomized what’s happening across the West. Albeit, there is not enough exercise being done in the least - I’ll concede that point in full.

So, you can’t get fat from any other food source?
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It goes without saying, especially on these forums, that total calories trump any diet. However, foods that elicit larger insulin reactions are more “dangerous” in terms of fat gain, than say meat and veggies.

Also, note that I am speaking in terms of society at large, not just one or two individuals. Certainly, an elite distance runner could afford to let grains and dairy dominate their diet without regard. But, the average person/trainee will respond differently.

We are debating this to minutia… I just don’t understand how you seemingly educated individuals cannot see some of these blatent correlations.

TS

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[quote]j23t wrote:
who cares about this bullshit, we have to deal with a greater number of impurities in the air and other foods and shit than what is in milk. The fact is is that the body is constantly bombarded by bad things all the time, milk is nothing compared to those…

besides milk has protein, and protein = muscle. so stop talking and start chugging[/quote]

Thanks for contributing… that was brilliant. I can see all your years research is paying off.

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[quote]- protein is bad for the kidneys.
No, it isn’t, as long as you are healthy and don’t already have kidney problems.[/quote]

I agree with you. It isn’t BAD but excessive consumption of it is hard on the kidneys. Just a “guess”, but I’m assuming that’s why they say drink a lot of water.

“…excess protein intake may put more demands on the liver, which converts N (nitrogen) to urea and the kidneys, to excrete excess urea than they are prepared to handle” “Nutrition & Diet Therapy” 8th Edition, Ruth A. Roth and Carolynn E. Townsend

[quote]- creatine is bad for you.
No, it isn’t. Many studies show creatine has numerous positive effects as well as cell volumization.[/quote]

I won’t touch this one. Sometimes when I look at it, I see the word creatinine. Creatinine is an end (waste) product of protein metabolism.

[quote]- milk is bad for you.
No, it isn’t. Some people are not able to tolerate components of milk, but in general, milk is a powerful tool for bodybuilders.[/quote]

I’ve never heard this one before. I’ve heard of too much calcium but I’ve heard more recently that increasing your calcium intake can actually decrease the risk of kidney stones. And for anyone who’s at risk for osteoporosis they’ve actually been suggesting 2200 mg of calcium per day. This information I got from ToneYourBones.org

What can I say? I really enjoyed my nutrition class in college. lol

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Sirloin,

It is obvious you are now reaching. You are trying to find a way to say certain foods are bad, and now you’ve found another angle to try.

Perhaps you’ll notice that I repeated and specifically referred to the fact that maintaining elevated levels of insulin can be bad for you.

If you go back and read, I’ve been saying that overconsumption of any one type of food or nutrient can be bad for you.

Once again, and I’m starting to get pissed off, you haven’t shown these foods to be bad at all. There are a lot of confounding issues in the simple correlations you raise. Correlations, and there are many, simply show things that might have a relation, whether complex or simple.

Also, as I’m sure you are very aware, there is a huge difference between eating something like Sugar Smacks and eating grains.

This, once again, is an issue of processing. If you want to argue that processing changes the nature of foods at times, especially with respect to refinement and concentration of simple sugars in the diet, which indeed may be bad for you, then please start a thread and go do so.

If you want to argue that basic foods, which we all consume, are “bad” for you, you’ll have to find something to support your annoying hysteric claims.

I think you are possibly confusing the concept of end products made from basic foods, which may indeed have things in them which are bad for us, with the idea of the basic foods themselves being bad for us.

For example, having a slice of pie once in a while is not necessarily bad for you. However, if you tried to live off of pie, I’m sure it would indeed be very bad for you.

Foods need to be combined in way allowing a variety of nutrients, within reasonable ranges of consumption based on various health criteria. To step outside of these considerations to create a situation where something can be bad for you does not show that the food is bad for you.

Now, grab a clue and go find somewhere else to spread your food conspiracy theories. You haven’t come up with a single useful argument yet in this entire thread.

Begone.

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[quote]chinadoll wrote:
Hey Yorba!!
Yorbabarbell wrote:
2) Me serving up a protein shake in return

Hehehe…so clever!!! LMFAO!!! Great to see you posting!!

The milk issue: Not to make fun of a heated issue, but I saw this photo somewhere. Microbiology lab in college and culturing all the naturally-occurring bacteria in post-pasteurized milk k.o.'d milk drinking for me for life, but I do like frozen yogurt, ice cream, whey protein.
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Chinadoll-I am glad I made you laugh your fine lil ass off-my pleasure. I too am a total milk freak to this day-as well as cheese, yogurt, frozen yogurt, smoothies all of it-but I could not agree with your more-I got very sick once from un-pasteurized milk-NEVER drik that stuff…unless it is directly from a lady-YUMMY-now that is entirely other subject for another day! Aloha!

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[quote]CU AeroStallion wrote:
I’ve heard that eating pussy makes you ripped, is this true?[/quote]

Yes. And healthy, wealthy, and wise. But getting a blowjob from a hot chick is better for this. Like a well-planned steroid cycle compared to Carbolin 19. Magical restorative properties. something about tension release…