[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
What’s next, are we going to argue about what pre-exhaust means? Geez.[/quote]
Paging Professor X.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
It sucks a lot to hold on for a 10rep set of deads with one breath. You burst a lot of blood vessels all of your body, your vision goes black, and it feels like your eyes are going to pop out of your skull, but it does great things for tightness. You have to keep “swallowing” air the whole time…
It’s also like breathing fire when you finally set down the weight. Like some sort of reverse vacuum. [/quote]
Can you believe that some people go their entire lives without feeling these things? Experiences like that are what keep me coming back for more.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
It sucks a lot to hold on for a 10rep set of deads with one breath. You burst a lot of blood vessels all of your body, your vision goes black, and it feels like your eyes are going to pop out of your skull, but it does great things for tightness. You have to keep “swallowing” air the whole time…
It’s also like breathing fire when you finally set down the weight. Like some sort of reverse vacuum. [/quote]
Can you believe that some people go their entire lives without feeling these things? Experiences like that are what keep me coming back for more.[/quote]
It’s really stupid, but I will freely admit that I get excited taking my shower after my deadlift workout and seeing all the broken blood vessels on my traps, upperchest, neck and face in the mirror. I actually feel like I didn’t push hard enough if there aren’t a lot of them.
But this also deters me from getting LASIK, haha.
I think I mentioned it before, but that’s still a legit set of squats dude. Good effort.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
It sucks a lot to hold on for a 10rep set of deads with one breath. You burst a lot of blood vessels all of your body, your vision goes black, and it feels like your eyes are going to pop out of your skull, but it does great things for tightness. You have to keep “swallowing” air the whole time…
It’s also like breathing fire when you finally set down the weight. Like some sort of reverse vacuum. [/quote]
Can you believe that some people go their entire lives without feeling these things? Experiences like that are what keep me coming back for more.[/quote]
It’s really stupid, but I will freely admit that I get excited taking my shower after my deadlift workout and seeing all the broken blood vessels on my traps, upperchest, neck and face in the mirror. I actually feel like I didn’t push hard enough if there aren’t a lot of them.
But this also deters me from getting LASIK, haha.
I think I mentioned it before, but that’s still a legit set of squats dude. Good effort.
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Thanks man.
I had LASIK a few years ago. Best thing I’ve ever done.
Re: Jaypierce’s comments, there are two points.
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To do the Nubret routine – constant tension reps, short rests – you need to use a pretty light weight. I don’t think anyone would dispute that.
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The difference between a 10 RM and 20 RM, and the definition of “rest-pause.” As others have explained, it’s totally ridiculous to call Flip’s set a 10 RM, followed by 10 additional reps.
I think one could make a distinction between a “strict” 20 rep set and 20 “breathing reps”, based on how long the pauses are, but I would say Flip’s set is the former – he doesn’t pause for more than a few seconds between any rep. It actually looks like he could have knocked out 23 or 25 reps, with some more big breaths / pauses at the end there.
[quote]craze9 wrote:
Re: Jaypierce’s comments, there are two points.
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To do the Nubret routine – constant tension reps, short rests – you need to use a pretty light weight. I don’t think anyone would dispute that.
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The difference between a 10 RM and 20 RM, and the definition of “rest-pause.” As others have explained, it’s totally ridiculous to call Flip’s set a 10 RM, followed by 10 additional reps.
I think one could make a distinction between a “strict” 20 rep set and 20 “breathing reps”, based on how long the pauses are, but I would say Flip’s set is the former – he doesn’t pause for more than a few seconds between any rep. It actually looks like he could have knocked out 23 or 25 reps, with some more big breaths / pauses at the end there.
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Bullshit. If you look carefully, there’s a slight pause at rep 8. Rep 1 doesn’t count since the depth was questionable. That makes 315 his 7RM.
It’s time to do Starting Strength, Flip.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]craze9 wrote:
Re: Jaypierce’s comments, there are two points.
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To do the Nubret routine – constant tension reps, short rests – you need to use a pretty light weight. I don’t think anyone would dispute that.
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The difference between a 10 RM and 20 RM, and the definition of “rest-pause.” As others have explained, it’s totally ridiculous to call Flip’s set a 10 RM, followed by 10 additional reps.
I think one could make a distinction between a “strict” 20 rep set and 20 “breathing reps”, based on how long the pauses are, but I would say Flip’s set is the former – he doesn’t pause for more than a few seconds between any rep. It actually looks like he could have knocked out 23 or 25 reps, with some more big breaths / pauses at the end there.
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Bullshit. If you look carefully, there’s a slight pause at rep 8. Rep 1 doesn’t count since the depth was questionable. That makes 315 his 7RM.
It’s time to do Starting Strength, Flip.[/quote]
You know what’s funny, starting strength is incredibly difficult if you’re actually fairly strong. I got a friend on it at one point, and I decided to do it with him for like a month. It was pretty rough.
I’ve never seen so much butthurt over something so minor. It’s fairly comical. Like watching one of those girly drama shows where they’re all bitching over some perceived slight that ends up being meaningless.
Nubret most likely meant 20 continuous reps without locking out. In my logbook, that’s the way I record my lifts. It doesn’t mean I’m a better lifter in any way. It doesn’t mean I expect anyone else to do the same. It doesn’t mean jack shit.
Get over it.
The fact remains; if you try running eight sets with a weight that you can handle for 20 continuous reps, you’ll most likely be just fine. If you try it with a weight that you can lift for 20 paused reps, its gonna bury you.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]craze9 wrote:
Re: Jaypierce’s comments, there are two points.
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To do the Nubret routine – constant tension reps, short rests – you need to use a pretty light weight. I don’t think anyone would dispute that.
-
The difference between a 10 RM and 20 RM, and the definition of “rest-pause.” As others have explained, it’s totally ridiculous to call Flip’s set a 10 RM, followed by 10 additional reps.
I think one could make a distinction between a “strict” 20 rep set and 20 “breathing reps”, based on how long the pauses are, but I would say Flip’s set is the former – he doesn’t pause for more than a few seconds between any rep. It actually looks like he could have knocked out 23 or 25 reps, with some more big breaths / pauses at the end there.
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Bullshit. If you look carefully, there’s a slight pause at rep 8. Rep 1 doesn’t count since the depth was questionable. That makes 315 his 7RM.
It’s time to do Starting Strength, Flip.[/quote]
You know what’s funny, starting strength is incredibly difficult if you’re actually fairly strong. I got a friend on it at one point, and I decided to do it with him for like a month. It was pretty rough.
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Yeah, it’s the multiple sets using the same weight. I don’t barbell squat much anymore after reaching 4 plates again, but I can imagine how I’ll really dread going to the gym if I had to do 5x5 anywhere near my 5RM 3 times a week. I understand there are people much stronger doing stuff like this, but fuck it lol.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I’ve never seen so much butthurt over something so minor. It’s fairly comical. Like watching one of those girly drama shows where they’re all bitching over some perceived slight that ends up being meaningless.
Nubret most likely meant 20 continuous reps without locking out. In my logbook, that’s the way I record my lifts. It doesn’t mean I’m a better lifter in any way. It doesn’t mean I expect anyone else to do the same. It doesn’t mean jack shit.
Get over it.
The fact remains; if you try running eight sets with a weight that you can handle for 20 continuous reps, you’ll most likely be just fine. If you try it with a weight that you can lift for 20 paused reps, its gonna bury you.
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No one is butthurt. You can record your lifts anyway you like.
As for Serge Nubret and continuous tension blah blah blah, well, this is why I asked you to clarify what you initially wrote.
But then, you wrote this:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
A true rep max is performed with continuous reps. Plug 315x10 into a 1RM calculator, and you get 420.[/quote]
And that’s where the comedy starts.
Seriously, that 10th rep looked like a max effort rep to you? Common sense…
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I don’t hold my breath at all, so that limitation doesn’t factor in for me. I can’t imagine attempting a 10RM DL set while holding my breath. I think that would be detrimental to tightness, for me. And probably consciousness, lol.
I breathe out during the top of the concentric and grab another breathe before the descent. [/quote]
Wouldn’t breathing out be considered a moment of pausing?
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This actually wasn’t a rhetorical question.
Why would breathing out be considered a pause?
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Why would breathing out be considered a pause? [/quote]
If you breathe out at the top of the concentric and then grab another breath before beginning a decent, wouldn’t that mean you are pausing the amount of time in between breathing out and breathing in versus if you were to simply perform the eccentric immediately after completing the concentric of the previous rep? That’s how you I interpreted it when you said
No, it’s seamless. With DL it is different, though, in that I do lock out each rep.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Bullshit. If you look carefully, there’s a slight pause at rep 8. Rep 1 doesn’t count since the depth was questionable. That makes 315 his 7RM.
It’s time to do Starting Strength, Flip.[/quote]
Hahaha.
This is a fun thread.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
No, it’s seamless. With DL it is different, though, in that I do lock out each rep.[/quote]
Based off your description I can’t see how this would be possible. Do you have a video? I feel like you would either need to breathe in/out while you are still moving, and therefore not at the start/stop of the eccentric/concentric or there would have to be a pause.
Jesus you guys are strong.
550 DL /w chains x10, 315 squat x20. Nice job the both of you.
What is this true rep max bullshit? Those are legit. Hell flip had at least 3-4 more in him, but without a spotter I see why he’d choose to stop at 20. Regardless of pauses or breathing, I’d count those and be proud of it. No need to be so analytical. Just congratulate a bro for some impressive display of lifting.
[quote]Steez wrote:
Jesus you guys are strong.
550 DL /w chains x10, 315 squat x20. Nice job the both of you.
What is this true rep max bullshit? Those are legit. Hell flip had at least 3-4 more in him, but without a spotter I see why he’d choose to stop at 20. Regardless of pauses or breathing, I’d count those and be proud of it. No need to be so analytical. Just congratulate a bro for some impressive display of lifting.
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Much appreciated man. I’m going for 585+chains for 8 reps this Saturday. I’ve been losing some weight but keeping strength pretty well, so I think that, as long as I eat a big enough cheat meal, I should manage it. If nothing else, more blood vessels, haha.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
No, it’s seamless. With DL it is different, though, in that I do lock out each rep.[/quote]
Based off your description I can’t see how this would be possible. Do you have a video? I feel like you would either need to breathe in/out while you are still moving, and therefore not at the start/stop of the eccentric/concentric or there would have to be a pause.[/quote]
I don’t have any vids. It’s hard to describe. It’s a very quick, very forceful inhale. Being braced, there’s no room for a big breath. I’m still moving upward when I inhale.
EDIT: actually, I paid close attention while squatting tonight, and I inhale at the start of the next rep. Sort of at that dead spot between moving up and moving down.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
No, it’s seamless. With DL it is different, though, in that I do lock out each rep.[/quote]
Based off your description I can’t see how this would be possible. Do you have a video? I feel like you would either need to breathe in/out while you are still moving, and therefore not at the start/stop of the eccentric/concentric or there would have to be a pause.[/quote]
I don’t have any vids. It’s hard to describe. It’s a very quick, very forceful inhale. Being braced, there’s no room for a big breath. I’m still moving upward when I inhale.
EDIT: actually, I paid close attention while squatting tonight, and I inhale at the start of the next rep. Sort of at that dead spot between moving up and moving down. [/quote]
Ah. I would consider that to be a pause personally, but, as we’ve noted, as long as we’re consistently tracking the same way it’s inconsequential.