Not So Much Beginner

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
To the original poster,

There is a good thread in the “physique and performance photos” section called “gotta train photos” by a guy called gottatrain. He’s at 5’7" and only 147# but he’s ripped and looks much bigger. Put his chest development next to yours and he looks 50 pounds heavier. I assume that is the type of physique you’d like to have. In his thread he says that he was as heavy as 190 pounds while bulking. The only way you can get that really “cut” physique is to be significantly heavier than the weight you are at, then diet down to a lower weight. I can empathize with your situation because I felt the same way for a lot of my life. I’m only 18 right now, but during high school I was terrified of losing my precious abs, so much so that I never put any muscle on! Trust me, skinny dudes are a dime a dozen, if you want to be a better athlete or turn the girls’ heads at the beach, you’ve got to get stronger- no if ands or buts about it!

You seem like a pretty cool kid because you’ve taken all this criticsm very well. I’ll try to lay out what’s worked for me. While I have nowhere near the physique some other guys on here, I think I can give you some advice because I was at a very similar situation to you not long ago, with the exception of the incredibly stretchy nipples.

1.) EAT! For natually skinny teenagers, this is THE most important thing. I try to eat 5 times a day. I always eat breakfast, usually oatmeal but sometimes if I’m in a really hurry I just eat some canned chicken or tuna and a Kashi bar. The point is that you have to have something with some carbs and a little protein. I’ll also have two more snacks throughout the day that are similar to this. The other two meals (breakfast and dinner) are my two main meals. At these meals I literally eat until I’m almost sick- then I try to eat a little more! Settle for no less than 80g of protein in these two meals (that’ll be about 3 chicken breasts, 3 decent-sized burgers, a bigass portion of roast beef, etc.). A protein shake before you go to sleep is a great way to get in a little extra protein as well, it’s not neccessary but it helps.

2.) Lift heavy. Here’s a quick program off the top of my head:

Day 1
Dumbell Bench
Bentover Rows
Deadlifts

Day 2
Push Press
Chin-Ups (palms towards you)
Full Oly-Style Squats

Day 3
Close-Grip Bench
Chest-Supported or Seated Cable Rows
Deadlifts on a small (4-8") box

Day 4
Dumbell Military Press
Pull-Ups (palms away from you)
Bulgarian Split Squats

Obviously you don’t have to follow that exact program, but do you see what I’m getting at here? Pick the lifts where you can move some weight and that are compound movements. My opinion is, if you are doing more than 4 exercises in one day, you aren’t going hard enough on the ones that you’ve done. A little ab work at the end of those workouts would be fine, but the best ab workouts are deadlifts, squats, military press and chin-ups. If you do a set of heavy deadlifts and don’t feel it in the abs, you’re doing something wrong!

When I went through high school I didn’t have a clue what I was doing and I got almost no improvement. I got to college and my strength coach (I play a varsity sport) hooked me onto T-Nation and got me on a program where I’m eating right and lifting heavy. In the 5 months I’ve been here I’ve added 15-20 pounds while staying at about the same bodyfat (maybe 1-2% higher at the most). I haven’t worried about being skinny, and yet my ab definition is better than ever. I am starting to look less than a starving Somalian kid and more like a guy that actually works out.

You seem like a good kid so I don’t want to see you waste your time in high school like I did. Good luck man.[/quote]

Great Post, kid, take this advise and you’ll be fine

alright man, it would be in your best interest to listen to these guys. I have been there I started lifting right about a year ago. I am 23 years old and started at 119. I thought I ate a lot and knew everything. I knew nothing and found T-Nation. JB got me going in the right direction with the nutritional end and followed Waterbury’s programs along the way. I have seen my strength increases go through the roof along with my weight I am still no were near my goal but I am further then I thought I would be. I am currently 150 so that is 31 lbs in a little under a year and oh yeah i am still around 7% body fat.

Do you know what I did? I worked my ass off and listen to people who know what they are talking about. These guys are big for a reason, some genetics but mostly because they work there asses off and know what to do. Your a young kid just eat and lift heavy. You will get strong and like JB says if your getting stronger your getting bigger

best of luck to you man

Alright i guess theres nothing else i can do, but agree… Cut out most of the cardio eat healthy, eat tons of protein. Gain weight and live like a healthy teen. Lifting do mostly compound exercises and get the basic strength i need, since im relatively week.

I’ll reread all the advice when im done my hw.

[quote]AnTiDeatH wrote:
Alright i guess theres nothing else i can do, but agree… Cut out most of the cardio eat healthy, eat tons of protein. Gain weight and live like a healthy teen. Lifting do mostly compound exercises and get the basic strength i need, since im relatively week.

I’ll reread all the advice when im done my hw.[/quote]

Now you’re talkin.

I’d like to continue using big boys basics, since it is meant for beginners, follows the guidelines of compound exercises, and includes Bench Press, Deadlifts, squats the big 3… It’s also by Chad Waterbury who seems to have a good rep around here

Continuing my post above, beforehand i was doing this routine

Monday Quads/Hamstrings
Squats (3sets)- 115 3x8
Leg Press (3sets)-160 3x8
Leg extensions (3sets)-65 3x10
Leg curls (3 sets) 57.5 3x8
Stiff leg deadlift (3 sets)-45 3x8

Tuesday Chest/biceps

Barbell Bench press (3 sets)-85 3x10
Incline dumbell press (3 sets)-70 3x8
Barbell curls (3 sets)-40 3x10
Preacher curls (3 sets)-10 3x10
Dips (3sets)-until failure

Wednesday
Crunches (3sets) ? failure
Flat bench Lying Leg Raise (3sets) ? failure
Palms-down wrist curl over a bench(3sets)- 45 3x10
Reverse barbell curls (3sets)- 45 3x8

Thursday Back/triceps
Deadlifts- 2 10?s 3x10
Hyperextensions ? 30 3x10
Barbell Rows (3 sets)-50 3x10
Pullups (3 sets)7 3x8
One Arm Dumbell rows (3sets)-30 3x10
Close Grip Bench Press (3sets)-
Lying easy curl triceps extension(3sets)-25 3x10

Friday Shoulders/calves

Seated Dumbbell Press (3 sets) ?60 3x8
Side laterals (3 sets) ? 10 3x10
Rear laterals (3 sets)-8 3x10
Barbell Shrugs (3 sets) ?80 3x10
Standing calf raises (3 sets)- No Idea

The weights are incuded showing how weak i am:(… But the volume was probably wayyy to much, and i was on such a low calorie deficit i dont see how i could gain mass or strength… JD you said that Big Boys Basics is too complicated and to stick with body weight exercises, and just compound lifts, but Big Boys Basics really isnt that complicated after a routine like the above…, so i’d preferably jump right into Big Boys Basics, along with your guys approval…

dude why not give scrawny to brawny a shot man. I am pretty sure you will receive the types of gains your looking for. I am just not into any program that has you using a leg press machine and doing leg extensions,
Squat, deadlift, cleans, snatchs these are the lifts that make you strong not leg extensions and preacher curls

maybe check out CT’s new routine, my brother is doing that one and loves it.

think it is called the iron curtain

good luck

I just can’t help but thinking this guy is stringing everyone along. He asks for advice/refutes it all. incessantly prescribes cardio for himself, keeps throwing around the word ripped which I think judging how hes used it a few times he is seriously misusing it.

there is only a few explanations for this it’s either a bad joke.

He is suffering from some type of body dysmorpia.

Or he suffers from the most extreme case of know it all syndrome I have ever seen.

[quote]whit09 wrote:
dude why not give scrawny to brawny a shot man. I am pretty sure you will receive the types of gains your looking for. I am just not into any program that has you using a leg press machine and doing leg extensions,
Squat, deadlift, cleans, snatchs these are the lifts that make you strong not leg extensions and preacher curls

maybe check out CT’s new routine, my brother is doing that one and loves it.

think it is called the iron curtain

good luck[/quote]

… I’m not using that routine now… I said that was my routine beforehand, meaning it’s my old routine, just to give more insight on what i was doing before…

i started when i was 14,i just started being able to gain weight this past summer(age 16).I’ve gotten stronger but couldn’t put on the size,once you hit 16-17 you should be able to get the size you want to be