Not So Much Beginner

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]AnTiDeatH wrote:

Thats good with your bodytype and all, but with mine the fat comes on easy… so cardio is key[/quote]

You don’t know my “bodytype”. Also, if you’re eating right, I doubt you’re going to put on massive amounts of fat with a solid lifting plan and at most moderate cardio.

From looking at your pictures, I find it hard to believe that you’re predisposed to put on slabs of fat without a ton of cardio. It’s more likely that you were some what skinny-fat before because you ate poorly; not because of your “bodytype”.

I think you’re buying into the bodytype excuse too much and not taking enough accountability for eating right / lifting heavy.

According to the myths, people with my “bodytype” can’t gain muscle, but from following the info here on T-Nation I’ve gone from an anorexic 135 lbs to 175 lbs in the past 6 months with very little fat gain and no end in sight (until I hit at leat 200 - 210).

You’re going to hurt your goals by going overboard with cardio because you’re convinced your “bodytype” is what’s going to equal putting fat on instead of cleaning up your diet and finding out the right amount of calories you need each day.

I’d just hate to see you put in all this effort only to get frustrated 3 months from now because you’ve only gained 5 lbs or whatever.

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[quote]jd_dd wrote:
AnTiDeatH wrote:

Thats good with your bodytype and all, but with mine the fat comes on easy… so cardio is key

You don’t know my “bodytype”. Also, if you’re eating right, I doubt you’re going to put on massive amounts of fat with a solid lifting plan and at most moderate cardio.

From looking at your pictures, I find it hard to believe that you’re predisposed to put on slabs of fat without a ton of cardio. It’s more likely that you were some what skinny-fat before because you ate poorly; not because of your “bodytype”.

I think you’re buying into the bodytype excuse too much and not taking enough accountability for eating right / lifting heavy.

According to the myths, people with my “bodytype” can’t gain muscle, but from following the info here on T-Nation I’ve gone from an anorexic 135 lbs to 175 lbs in the past 6 months with very little fat gain and no end in sight (until I hit at leat 200 - 210).

You’re going to hurt your goals by going overboard with cardio because you’re convinced your “bodytype” is what’s going to equal putting fat on instead of cleaning up your diet and finding out the right amount of calories you need each day.

I’d just hate to see you put in all this effort only to get frustrated 3 months from now because you’ve only gained 5 lbs or whatever.
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Ok i’m not trying to be a stubborn kid and sorry for being rude before, i guess i’m at the stage where i really need to experiment… I feel it’ll be really beneficial to do cardio all the time and constantly keep active, which at the same time means i just have to eat more calories to keep up with it… if it hasnt worked then ill cut down the cardio and go with ur advice… Experimenting sux.

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[quote]AnTiDeatH wrote:
jd_dd wrote:
AnTiDeatH wrote:

Thats good with your bodytype and all, but with mine the fat comes on easy… so cardio is key

You don’t know my “bodytype”. Also, if you’re eating right, I doubt you’re going to put on massive amounts of fat with a solid lifting plan and at most moderate cardio.

From looking at your pictures, I find it hard to believe that you’re predisposed to put on slabs of fat without a ton of cardio. It’s more likely that you were some what skinny-fat before because you ate poorly; not because of your “bodytype”.

I think you’re buying into the bodytype excuse too much and not taking enough accountability for eating right / lifting heavy.

According to the myths, people with my “bodytype” can’t gain muscle, but from following the info here on T-Nation I’ve gone from an anorexic 135 lbs to 175 lbs in the past 6 months with very little fat gain and no end in sight (until I hit at leat 200 - 210).

You’re going to hurt your goals by going overboard with cardio because you’re convinced your “bodytype” is what’s going to equal putting fat on instead of cleaning up your diet and finding out the right amount of calories you need each day.

I’d just hate to see you put in all this effort only to get frustrated 3 months from now because you’ve only gained 5 lbs or whatever.

Ok i’m not trying to be a stubborn kid and sorry for being rude before, i guess i’m at the stage where i really need to experiment… I feel it’ll be really beneficial to do cardio all the time and constantly keep active, which at the same time means i just have to eat more calories to keep up with it… if it hasnt worked then ill cut down the cardio and go with ur advice… Experimenting sux.
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Why would someone “experiment” by doing the absolute extreme first? You have no reason to believe you even need that much cardio. You ate poorly before and you are small now. What is making you believe you have a bodytype that makes you more likely to gain fat instead of muscle?

If you literally run your muscle gains into the ground, I guess you won’t be seeing much progress at all.

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From what i read from John Berardi is that more volume isn’t necessarily bad, unless i interpreted it wrong, the morning cardio is the only thing id remove, but the swimming is staying for sure for cardiovascular and health reasons

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[quote]AnTiDeatH wrote:
From what i read from John Berardi is that more volume isn’t necessarily bad, unless i interpreted it wrong, the morning cardio is the only thing id remove, but the swimming is staying for sure for cardiovascular and health reasons[/quote]

Your answer is to quote John Berardi? And poorly? Why wouldn’t you see how your body responds simply to training and diet alone before cardio is added in? Why would you avoid forming a baseline as far as what it takes to see progress? Are you going to quote someone else or simply answer the question this time?

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Sure, ill answer it Cardio has many health benefits especially for someone like me who can barely hold his breath for 10 seconds and sucks at all physical activity, i don’t just want to get physically fit, but also cardiovascularly fit, you told me that i’m doing too much, so fine no more morning cardio. But the swimming is staying for the health benefits. And i obviously didnt quote John Berardi well, and i also opened up the option for correction by saying unless i interpreted it wrong. Happy? Anymore questions.

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There is no need for this much cardio. In fact, you probably dont need it at all right now if you want to put on muscle. Just cut it out and get to work.

You should also be doing a lot of pushups, bodyweight squats and chins. All with good, full range form of course. You can do these exercises daily and throughout the day and they will provide you with some cardiovascular benefit, but wont run your muscles into the ground if you dont overdo it. By your own admission, and the numbers you posted, you are pretty weak. This is no insult at all. Im just saying that you probably should spend a few months mastering your own bodyweight before you fly into any of these more complicated training programs.

After a few eeks or months of the bodyweight training, start with a three times a week program with each day beginning with a powerlift(Day 1 Squat Day 2 Bench and Day 3 Deadlift). On bench day work your triceps, shoulders and chest with some assistance work . On squat day work the legs with assistance exercises. On Deadlift day hit your back and traps.

Thats it. Super basic. Eat a ton of quality food. You’ll get bigger and stronger for sure if you work hard.

You are making this so complicated and its not, at least at your age. If you follow the advice you are being given(eat a lot and work hard at basic, compound exercises), you’ll be surprised at what happens.

The ball is in your court.

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Oh. By the way, what are you doing up at 11:30 PM on a school night?

You should be getting 8 or more hours of sleep everynight if you are training hard,
which probably means you should be asleep by now.

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[quote]AnTiDeatH wrote:
Sure, ill answer it Cardio has many health benefits especially for someone like me who can barely hold his breath for 10 seconds and sucks at all physical activity, i don’t just want to get physically fit, but also cardiovascularly fit, you told me that i’m doing too much, so fine no more morning cardio. But the swimming is staying for the health benefits. And i obviously didnt quote John Berardi well, and i also opened up the option for correction by saying unless i interpreted it wrong. Happy? Anymore questions.[/quote]

Wait a second, so a guy who doesn’t train at all goes from inactivity to a full out swimming, running weightlifting shotgun approach…and you expect to make any significant gains in muscle mass? You have to have an initial goal in mind. You either work on cardiovascular fitness, or you incorporate that as a minor goal into training for muscle gains. You don’t go from a zero to “mega-muscle-fitness machine” overnight. You are a prime candidate for becoming burned out before you even stick with this for two months.

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You’re right I really shouldnt be up and i’m going to bed now.

Btw i started Big Boys Basics would it be good for me to just continue that? or go even more basic with what u said… check ur answer 2mrrw g’ngiht

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
AnTiDeatH wrote:
Sure, ill answer it Cardio has many health benefits especially for someone like me who can barely hold his breath for 10 seconds and sucks at all physical activity, i don’t just want to get physically fit, but also cardiovascularly fit, you told me that i’m doing too much, so fine no more morning cardio. But the swimming is staying for the health benefits. And i obviously didnt quote John Berardi well, and i also opened up the option for correction by saying unless i interpreted it wrong. Happy? Anymore questions.

Wait a second, so a guy who doesn’t train at all goes from inactivity to a full out swimming, running weightlifting shotgun approach…and you expect to make any significant gains in muscle mass? You have to have an initial goal in mind. You either work on cardiovascular fitness, or you incorporate that as a minor goal into training for muscle gains. You don’t go from a zero to “mega-muscle-fitness machine” overnight. You are a prime candidate for becoming burned out before you even stick with this for two months.[/quote]

Actaully no, i’ve been training for a while being an idiot on a calorie deficit as a skinny prick gaining no mass what so over, because flat out im an idiot, but im not just jumping into this overnight, and if i start getting burned out then obviously ill cut back

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[quote]AnTiDeatH wrote:

Actaully no, i’ve been training for a while being an idiot on a calorie deficit as a skinny prick gaining no mass what so over, because flat out im an idiot, but im not just jumping into this overnight, and if i start getting burned out then obviously ill cut back[/quote]

You were burned out in the first place. Why not start out cutting back? That way you add in slowly what is needed. Are you actually reading what is being written or simply thinking of a response?

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At least he is not as bad as my friend who is 5’7 125 and is afraid of eating too becoming a fatass while he is attempting to gain muscle.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
AnTiDeatH wrote:

Actaully no, i’ve been training for a while being an idiot on a calorie deficit as a skinny prick gaining no mass what so over, because flat out im an idiot, but im not just jumping into this overnight, and if i start getting burned out then obviously ill cut back

You were burned out in the first place. Why not start out cutting back? That way you add in slowly what is needed. Are you actually reading what is being written or simply thinking of a response?[/quote]

The kids not gonna listen. He’s not out of HS yet thinks cardio is healthy for him and takes all our advice and flushes it. Cardio is good, but he’s not 30 yet or at an age where he has to worry about health that way yet.

Let him wallow for a while eventually he may get it.

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Ill lay it out for you because I believe your heart is in the right place.

Try the bodyweight exercises idea for a while. Even if you still want to lift, do some pushups and bodyweight squats on your off days, it will help develop strength that you are really lacking.

What I told you to do is as simple as it gets.

Day 1

1Bench press(3x10, 3x8, 4x6, or 5x5 just dont go lower than 5 reps for the time being as your form and strength are not advanced enough to handle it)

2 Assistance chest work exercise…probably dips or weighted dips but also incline, or decline barbell or dumbell bench

3Some type of overhead press(push press, military press same idea on the rep schemes)

4Tricep exercise - dumbell or barbell skullcrushers, pushdowns whatever

Day 2

1Barbell Squat (see rep schemes from bench but extra couple of sets are ok)

2Split squat, Leg press or hack squat - higher reps - 8 to 15

3leg curl or glute-ham-raise

4some type of abdominal training

Day 3

1Deadlift (any of the previously mentioned rep schemes are good …possibly even sets of 12 to reinforce good form)

2Barbell or dumbell bent over rows

3chin ups or weighted chins

4shrugs or farmers walk with dumbells

5 some type of curls if you really have to but not really needed

Thats it. As you are just starting out,
you dont need mini-band flying one-arm pushups on a balance ball. Work this basic stuff for as long as it keeps putting on size and strength. Most guys I know that got strong and big started their training with something similar to what I laid out. Stick with this basic stuff, only alternating rep schemes on the 3 powerlifts every couple of weeks. Some will say there is not enough variety but that is not true. If you are eating properly, not doing much of this damned cardio you insist on, and resting well,
you will put on muscle and get strong quick.

Make sure up the weight as often as your form will allow and, most importantly, try to get someone to help you with your form on the basic exercises.

Stop overthinking this and dont throw yourself into some wild Spartan-like regime. You’ll burn out quick and get pissed off. Then you’ll quit. Prof. X just told you this, so listen to him. You have a long road ahead, but at 15 years old, the good news is you have all the time in the world to work on it.

By the way, what about some type of athletic pursuit? Guys your age should be doing something to develop discipline and general athletic ability. Wrestling or some type of martial art are great. If all you do is jog and swim, all you’ll get is weak, slow and uncoordinated. Thats no way for a man to go through life.

Enough silliness. Shovel down your food, crank your iron, no more pictures
until youve done 3 or 4 years of work and listen to what the guys who have been there are telling you.

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about athletic pursuits im trying some martial arts that you have to be 16 for in the summer when its my b-day. My school is prob gonna have a football team next year, but i don’t really have the athletic ability to play football.

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You’re going to achieve nothing. You’ll burn out and give up with the same enthusiasm as you are starting up. That is my conclusion after reading this thread thus far.

Listen to the advice being given, don’t just read it and discard it. The advice you are getting is from people who have been lifting/eating for many years more than you have.

Listen!

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[quote]AnTiDeatH wrote:
My school is prob gonna have a football team next year, but i don’t really have the athletic ability to play football.[/quote]

Who cares if you have the athletic ability to play football?

Other kids?

Not as much as you would think.

The coach?

Not at all.

What if you never see a down in actual game? Who cares - you were busting your ass in every practice, and getting stronger every day. Want to know how you get the athletic ability to play football? You play football.

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[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
AnTiDeatH wrote:
My school is prob gonna have a football team next year, but i don’t really have the athletic ability to play football.

Who cares if you have the athletic ability to play football?

Other kids?

Not as much as you would think.

The coach?

Not at all.

What if you never see a down in actual game? Who cares - you were busting your ass in every practice, and getting stronger every day. Want to know how you get the athletic ability to play football? You play football.
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This kid is a classic watcher from the sidelines. All of the signs are there. What he doesn’t realize is that he can change all of that at his age. Soon, he’ll just fall comfortably into being mediocre. I can’t see any worse action than to approach his training the way he is about to. I am also getting truly tired of kids quoting authors on this site when the truth is, most of them shouldn’t be following many of these programs to begin with and/or they have a poor understanding of what is actually being said.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I am also getting truly tired of kids quoting authors on this site when the truth is, most of them shouldn’t be following many of these programs to begin with and/or they have a poor understanding of what is actually being said.[/quote]

This is absolutely true. While there is a huge amount of expert advice here, beginners, especially at 15 years old, dont need most of it. Some of these kids have macronutrient ratios figured out to the gram. Ive never done that in my life. A rough idea, yes. But most people who want to put on muscle arent really concerned with exactly how many grams of carbs their peanut butter sandwich has.

I hope we didnt waste our time.