Not Seeing Gains in My Biceps

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Whining and lying ? I just pointed out where Carnage SPECIFICALLY stated, elbows bend by themselves as well as gravity takes care of it [/quote] Gee, get into BO row position and bring your elbows up to your sides, but keep your arms straight.
Now relax your triceps.
Are your arms still straight or are are they bent at the elbows now? Did you have to contract your biceps for this to happen?

If they’re still straight, then you’re living somewhere with minimal gravity, cool.

[quote]
. I believe you can only see what you want in your Personal Trainers vs pro bodyb…wait Dentist rpg fantasy.

What you did say however was rows should only work the lats which means ISOLATION exercise.
[/quote] Wrong, Isolation and Compound refers to how many joints are actively involved in the movement… [quote]
I on the other hand disagree. Along with the OP gaining more muscle, I think heavy dose of heavy rows will help his bi’s.[/quote]

…I’m sure he never does any kind of row or chin or deadlift or whatever, so your advice here is really useful…

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

And…none of them have impressive arms.[/quote]

It’s like that one fact slips right over their heads.

I won’t be taking any advice on how to build big arms from someone who has never built them.

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[quote]Zito75Rag15 wrote:
I appreciate all of your posts, I just wanted to ask another question. If I am suppose to gain more weight to be able to see gains what can I do to gain the weight but not to gain fat?

I try not to eat any carbs after 4 or 5pm and I drink protein shakes but I feel like I am still not getting enough protein. Any thoughts?[/quote]

Not gain fat? your going to gain some fat if you operate at a caloric surplus. If not sure you can gain some weight but it is much much harder and you got to lift heavier and more savagely. You got to force your muscle to grow basically. I don’t think you have the mindset for it though based on your posts. You sound soft.

“try” is a word of weakness.

If you “feel” like your not getting more protein - eat more protein. I think it has been standardized now that people say eat every 3 hours. Now if you eat at least 6 meals a day at 40 grams you get 240 grams of protein.

If you manipulate meal 1 and pwo to be +50+60, you can be at 260, 280. If you add in some snacks you can jump to 300 easily. Or just Take it another step and make it 8 meals a day. or 10 meals a day. I’ll do 150-200 grams of protein in a sitting sometimes.

No one else can put food in your mouth.

haha this thread is very interesting I like all the passion and conviction, makes me want to eat a cow. To whomever said bicep isolation didn’t work. Id have to say you didn’t learn how to do those exercises effectively.

There are people that are actively stimulating muscle fibers and training the muscle involved and others that are just going through the motions.

As far as I’m concerned early on into lifting I had a 2 foot stretch mark from my wrists past my elbow - bread and butter was the preacher curl. I just recently walked 2 guys through some very basic isolation exercises and had them do it properly.

One guy failed to show up at the gym and the other guy couldn’t sleep because he kept waking up to the soreness in his biceps. Strong guys doing fine with their training but they just hadn’t figured out how to be more effective in their bicep training.

To the guy dropping #s and stating he didnt look different after a year. You are what you eat and to a certain extent you will look how you train. Getting stronger does not mean you’ll look drastically different, there is more to it then that.

To the one that seemed to lack understanding that the shoulder muscles are smaller then the chest muscles. Your shoulder press is expected to be weaker then your chest until you build enough muscle.

Great thread. Ditto what C_C and X said.

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[quote]sebbie wrote:

Yes i’m going to really kick my arms hard-ass today… forget close grip benches, skull crushers, tricep pushdowns, barbell curls, hammer curls, machine curls, preacher curls, wrist curls. LETS DO SOME ROWS AND PULLUPS!! LMAO!

Next you will be saying we should all do ‘cheat barbell curls’ - on back day.

I know several authors on here and many coaches in real life who would claim that you can use close-grip chins or close-grip bench presses for arms just as effectively as any of those exercises you’ve listed. Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.[/quote]

Dude, do you even think before you post?
Who says that CGP’s aren’t a great tri-exercise? I’ve stated in tons of threads that I prefer heavy (tri-focused) presses for triceps along with some other stuff.

Also, every serious trainee already does some form of rowing/chinning etc, so pointing out that one should do those is kind of idiotic?

There are quite a few people who overdid it with the weighted full-rom chins on this very forum who all have tendonitis due to that.
Great.

Do you think we just freely invent our advice?

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
sebbie wrote:
Alex-L wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
DJS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… [b]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

Your elbows will bend by themselves[/b] simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha

I’d rather be a “fucker” then a “dick sucker” but hey to each his own.

My bad X I thought the internet was for discussing theories i didn’t realize it was actually a form of exercise where you have to carry dick suckers who can’t speak for themselves because what they agree goes against the foundation of bodybuilding…

Considering Barbell Rows have been called compound exercises by everybody but you and Carnage, that would imply that it works more than just the lats.

Which case someone who has seen little progress besides cuts from doing bicep isolation exercises would probably see nice results from heavy barbell rows. Since the compound exercise version will allow his biceps to feel weight that he could never hit with an isolation curl alone.

Of course this is only if it’s a compound exercise. But of course since elbows bend by themselves and gravity like DJS neck, it will not work his biceps.

You are now officially whining. Congrats. Apparently anyone who agrees with me causes you physical pain. Maybe you should not worry so much about the responses I get. My guess is you would be even more upset if you really knew me.

I never wrote anywhere that rows are not a compound movement. You are now lying as well as whining. You are going to get a trophy for all of this if you don’t watch out.

However, unlike you and several other brainwashed lemmings on this board and others, I haven’t listened to random personal trainers until I think that doing a compound movement means that this is all I need for optimal growth of all muscles involved.

In fact, as far as your cute scenario, if someone is truly seeing no progress but “cuts” from their training, THEY ARE NOT FUCKING EATING ENOUGH.

Not one person here has written to avoid compound movements. Your argument has no basis in reality other than to show how butt hurt you are that some people pay attention to me.

Whining and lying ? I just pointed out where Carnage SPECIFICALLY stated, elbows bend by themselves as well as gravity takes care of it. I believe you can only see what you want in your Personal Trainers vs pro bodyb…wait Dentist rpg fantasy.

What you did say however was rows should only work the lats which means ISOLATION exercise.

I on the other hand disagree. Along with the OP gaining more muscle, I think heavy dose of heavy rows will help his bi’s.

Oh dear god you are pretty damn stupid. It really is not complicated you know. Lets drop the compound/isolation nonsense and examine this simply.

How many guys do you know who go in on arm day planning on doing multiple sets or “rows” LMAO!

Yes i’m going to really kick my arms hard-ass today… forget close grip benches, skull crushers, tricep pushdowns, barbell curls, hammer curls, machine curls, preacher curls, wrist curls. LETS DO SOME ROWS AND PULLUPS!! LMAO!

Next you will be saying we should all do ‘cheat barbell curls’ - on back day.

I know several authors on here and many coaches in real life who would claim that you can use close-grip chins or close-grip bench presses for arms just as effectively as any of those exercises you’ve listed. Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.

And…none of them have impressive arms.[/quote]

Look all I’m trying to say is that compounds do have some value in stimulating your arms, something that a lot of people are screaming bloody murder against. They are called compound movements for a reaon.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

Dude, do you even think before you post?
Who says that CGP’s aren’t a great tri-exercise? I’ve stated in tons of threads that I prefer heavy (tri-focused) presses for triceps along with some other stuff.
[/quote]

Quite a lot of people on this thread seem to have the mpression that they can row, do chin-ups and presses all they like and their arms won’t be affected at all. They will.

Whilst I agree with the tendonitis thing, I still stand by my point.

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[quote]sebbie wrote:

Look all I’m trying to say is that compounds do have some value in stimulating your arms, something that a lot of people are screaming bloody murder against. They are called compound movements for a reaon.[/quote]

This is why I can’t stand “know-it-all” newbies. My goal is to get big and strong as hell. That means I do COMPOUND AND ISOLATION EXERCISES to achieve this. I don’t give a flying fist fuck whether something “has some value in stimulating arms”.

If it helps me build big arms, I will be doing it. Mind you, I seriously doubt you or the other guy are blowing me out of the water in that area.

I know what builds big arms. I know this because I built them. What built them was tons of heavy curls and every other exercise I was doing for my entire body.

HOWEVER, I NEVER considered fucking ROWS a BICEPS exercise and the fact that skinny personal trainers are now making money convincing half witted newbs that rows are how you build big arms and to AVOID isolation movements only shows how harmful the internet can actually be.

If you want to be big and strong, listen to the big and strong guys. PERIOD. The only people who EVER say otherwise…are the little guys.

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[quote]sebbie wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
sebbie wrote:
Alex-L wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
DJS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… [b]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

Your elbows will bend by themselves[/b] simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha

I’d rather be a “fucker” then a “dick sucker” but hey to each his own.

My bad X I thought the internet was for discussing theories i didn’t realize it was actually a form of exercise where you have to carry dick suckers who can’t speak for themselves because what they agree goes against the foundation of bodybuilding…

Considering Barbell Rows have been called compound exercises by everybody but you and Carnage, that would imply that it works more than just the lats.

Which case someone who has seen little progress besides cuts from doing bicep isolation exercises would probably see nice results from heavy barbell rows. Since the compound exercise version will allow his biceps to feel weight that he could never hit with an isolation curl alone.

Of course this is only if it’s a compound exercise. But of course since elbows bend by themselves and gravity like DJS neck, it will not work his biceps.

You are now officially whining. Congrats. Apparently anyone who agrees with me causes you physical pain. Maybe you should not worry so much about the responses I get. My guess is you would be even more upset if you really knew me.

I never wrote anywhere that rows are not a compound movement. You are now lying as well as whining. You are going to get a trophy for all of this if you don’t watch out.

However, unlike you and several other brainwashed lemmings on this board and others, I haven’t listened to random personal trainers until I think that doing a compound movement means that this is all I need for optimal growth of all muscles involved.

In fact, as far as your cute scenario, if someone is truly seeing no progress but “cuts” from their training, THEY ARE NOT FUCKING EATING ENOUGH.

Not one person here has written to avoid compound movements. Your argument has no basis in reality other than to show how butt hurt you are that some people pay attention to me.

Whining and lying ? I just pointed out where Carnage SPECIFICALLY stated, elbows bend by themselves as well as gravity takes care of it. I believe you can only see what you want in your Personal Trainers vs pro bodyb…wait Dentist rpg fantasy.

What you did say however was rows should only work the lats which means ISOLATION exercise.

I on the other hand disagree. Along with the OP gaining more muscle, I think heavy dose of heavy rows will help his bi’s.

Oh dear god you are pretty damn stupid. It really is not complicated you know. Lets drop the compound/isolation nonsense and examine this simply.

How many guys do you know who go in on arm day planning on doing multiple sets or “rows” LMAO!

Yes i’m going to really kick my arms hard-ass today… forget close grip benches, skull crushers, tricep pushdowns, barbell curls, hammer curls, machine curls, preacher curls, wrist curls. LETS DO SOME ROWS AND PULLUPS!! LMAO!

Next you will be saying we should all do ‘cheat barbell curls’ - on back day.

I know several authors on here and many coaches in real life who would claim that you can use close-grip chins or close-grip bench presses for arms just as effectively as any of those exercises you’ve listed. Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.

And…none of them have impressive arms.

Look all I’m trying to say is that compounds do have some value in stimulating your arms, something that a lot of people are screaming bloody murder against. They are called compound movements for a reaon.[/quote]

What are you basing this argument on, besides something you read somewhere? Dude, if you want your arms to grow, you have to train them. Where are these people that are getting massive arms by only doing back and chest exercises? Can you show them to me?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
sebbie wrote:
This is why I can’t stand “know-it-all” newbies. My goal is to get big and strong as hell. That means I do COMPOUND AND ISOLATION EXERCISES to achieve this.

I don’t give a flying fist fuck whether something “has some value in stimulating arms”. If it helps me build big arms, I will be doing it. Mind you, I seriously doubt you or the other guy are blowing me out of the water in that area.

I know what builds big arms. I know this because I built them. What built them was tons of heavy curls and every other exercise I was doing for my entire body.

HOWEVER, I NEVER considered fucking ROWS a BICEPS exercise and the fact that skinny personal trainers are now making money convincing half witted newbs that rows are how you build big arms and to AVOID isolation movements only shows how harmful the internet can actually be.

If you want to be big and strong, listen to the big and strong guys. PERIOD. The only people who EVER say otherwise…are the little guys.[/quote]

LOL @ “flying fist fuck”

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[quote]sebbie wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
sebbie wrote:
Alex-L wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
DJS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… [b]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

Your elbows will bend by themselves[/b] simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha

I’d rather be a “fucker” then a “dick sucker” but hey to each his own.

My bad X I thought the internet was for discussing theories i didn’t realize it was actually a form of exercise where you have to carry dick suckers who can’t speak for themselves because what they agree goes against the foundation of bodybuilding…

Considering Barbell Rows have been called compound exercises by everybody but you and Carnage, that would imply that it works more than just the lats.

Which case someone who has seen little progress besides cuts from doing bicep isolation exercises would probably see nice results from heavy barbell rows. Since the compound exercise version will allow his biceps to feel weight that he could never hit with an isolation curl alone.

Of course this is only if it’s a compound exercise. But of course since elbows bend by themselves and gravity like DJS neck, it will not work his biceps.

You are now officially whining. Congrats. Apparently anyone who agrees with me causes you physical pain. Maybe you should not worry so much about the responses I get. My guess is you would be even more upset if you really knew me.

I never wrote anywhere that rows are not a compound movement. You are now lying as well as whining. You are going to get a trophy for all of this if you don’t watch out.

However, unlike you and several other brainwashed lemmings on this board and others, I haven’t listened to random personal trainers until I think that doing a compound movement means that this is all I need for optimal growth of all muscles involved.

In fact, as far as your cute scenario, if someone is truly seeing no progress but “cuts” from their training, THEY ARE NOT FUCKING EATING ENOUGH.

Not one person here has written to avoid compound movements. Your argument has no basis in reality other than to show how butt hurt you are that some people pay attention to me.

Whining and lying ? I just pointed out where Carnage SPECIFICALLY stated, elbows bend by themselves as well as gravity takes care of it. I believe you can only see what you want in your Personal Trainers vs pro bodyb…wait Dentist rpg fantasy.

What you did say however was rows should only work the lats which means ISOLATION exercise.

I on the other hand disagree. Along with the OP gaining more muscle, I think heavy dose of heavy rows will help his bi’s.

Oh dear god you are pretty damn stupid. It really is not complicated you know. Lets drop the compound/isolation nonsense and examine this simply.

How many guys do you know who go in on arm day planning on doing multiple sets or “rows” LMAO!

Yes i’m going to really kick my arms hard-ass today… forget close grip benches, skull crushers, tricep pushdowns, barbell curls, hammer curls, machine curls, preacher curls, wrist curls. LETS DO SOME ROWS AND PULLUPS!! LMAO!

Next you will be saying we should all do ‘cheat barbell curls’ - on back day.

I know several authors on here and many coaches in real life who would claim that you can use close-grip chins or close-grip bench presses for arms just as effectively as any of those exercises you’ve listed. Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.

And…none of them have impressive arms.

Look all I’m trying to say is that compounds do have some value in stimulating your arms, something that a lot of people are screaming bloody murder against. They are called compound movements for a reaon.[/quote]

AND NOBODY ELSE IS SAYING THAT COMPOUNDS IE: ROWS DO NOT STIMULATE THE ARMS… OUR POINTS BEING HOWEVER THAT YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO WITNESS ANYWHERE NEAR MAXIMAL ARM DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT DOING SPECIALISED ARM EXERCISES, IE CURLS E.T.C FFS!!!

I think that some of these strength coaches have A LOT to answer for. Sometimes I think they make these claims simply because they are under pressure to be innovative/ produce something different in order to form a niche in a highly competitive market for themselves.

Moreover if they just started regurgitating tried & proven information then people would just say they were ‘boring’ ‘we knew this already’ or ‘i’ve already heard xyz coach say that’ Even if that information would be more ultimately worthwhile.

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[quote]sebbie wrote:

I know several authors on here and many coaches in real life who would claim that you can use close-grip chins or close-grip bench presses for arms just as effectively as any of those exercises you’ve listed.

Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.[/quote]

I’ve been enjoying reading this thread especially for post like this. (and the expected responses it’s sure to get). Either you are just trolling, or your reading comprehension is horrible. All I gotta say is wow.

cueball

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I never said to avoid direct arm work. Stop taking everything out of context so much.

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[quote]sebbie wrote:
I never said to avoid direct arm work. Stop taking everything out of context so much.[/quote]

He is kinda right there you lot.

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I think Sebbie’s point is that there is some bicep stimulation with compound moves such as the row.

lol @ FLYING fist fuck ~ that is a keeper hahaha.

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[quote]bicepmannn wrote:
sebbie wrote:
I never said to avoid direct arm work. Stop taking everything out of context so much.

He is kinda right there you lot.[/quote]

Lol first post and he’s agreeing with the guy causing trouble. Can anyone say troll?

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[quote]kinein wrote:
I think Sebbie’s point is that there is some bicep stimulation with compound moves such as the row.

lol @ FLYING fist fuck ~ that is a keeper hahaha.

[/quote]

Wow someone who understands this fairly self-evident point that I tried to make and have been screamed at for.

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/thread.

Point has been made and now it’s just deteriorating into flaming.

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[quote]sebbie wrote:
kinein wrote:
I think Sebbie’s point is that there is some bicep stimulation with compound moves such as the row.

lol @ FLYING fist fuck ~ that is a keeper hahaha.

Wow someone who understands this fairly self-evident point that I tried to make and have been screamed at for.[/quote]

However, you DID write:

[quote]sebbie wrote:
Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.[/quote]

…implying that they are USEFUL in BUILDING UP YOUR ARMS. Not that they are JUST stimulated.

cueball

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Dude, do you even think before you post?
Who says that CGP’s aren’t a great tri-exercise? I’ve stated in tons of threads that I prefer heavy (tri-focused) presses for triceps along with some other stuff.

Also, every serious trainee already does some form of rowing/chinning etc, so pointing out that one should do those is kind of idiotic?

There are quite a few people who overdid it with the weighted full-rom chins on this very forum who all have tendonitis due to that.
Great.

Do you think we just freely invent our advice?
[/quote]

CC…seriously… do you read the OP’s post before you give advice?

  1. He states he went from 60lb db’s to 110 lb db’s on the bench.
  2. He says he lifts bi’s twice a week.

Now where would you get that this is a serious bodybuilder doing solid work with rows and chins?, How many serious lifters would say “I went from 60lb db to 110 on the bench, but my bi’s are not getting bigger?”

True I could be wrong about this guy, but based off his description of what he’s doing I think most people would assume typical beach muscle training. Bench and curls.(if he bothers to do a chin maybe 1 set, and back to 5 flat bench, incline and decline)

Now if he’s doing curls twice a week, what exactly are you telling him to do to get bigger? Are you saying that the concentration curls that he’s doing aren’t working and cable curls will build his BI’s 10x more?

Instead this is an emtpy argumentative (but fun) thread with two sides (minus you) saying the same thing. That biceps are involved in rows but row’s are not a bicep exercise (Rocket Science). All based off the typical black and white rhetoric of the “Do bicep curl” Crew vs. “Chin-up” Gang.

Which can be a problem for a person who clearly shows he hasn’t fully grasped all the concepts of bodybuilding. Now X gave good advice in the beginning with the gain weight post, but it could’ve been enhanced by a statement he made that took 4 pages of arguing for him to make

[quote]Professor X wrote: I know what builds big arms. I know this because I built them. What built them was tons of heavy curls and every other exercise I was doing for my entire body.
[/quote](mmmmm wonder what those other exercises were… probably crunches)…

Now X by himself is usually ok, he might not give you everything in one post and sometimes the secondary advice get’s lossed in the insults but it’s still there so it’s all good. BUT THEN HIS legion COMES ON… and goes ape shit with the cosigning turning his inital statement into rhetoric wars. So the typical OP is now going to just continue doing curls and thats it since Row’s don’t work bi’s at all and who sees the back anyway.

So I ask you CC what was your advice for the OP again?

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[quote]cueball wrote:
sebbie wrote:
kinein wrote:
I think Sebbie’s point is that there is some bicep stimulation with compound moves such as the row.

lol @ FLYING fist fuck ~ that is a keeper hahaha.

Wow someone who understands this fairly self-evident point that I tried to make and have been screamed at for.

However, you DID write:
sebbie wrote:
Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.

…implying that they are USEFUL in BUILDING UP YOUR ARMS. Not that they are JUST stimulated.

cueball[/quote]

Yes, and if a muscle is stimulated sufficiently then it will grow. Hence they can build up your arms if the stimulation to your biceps is great enough from them.