Forget pulling and biceps isolation work. Everyone knows synthol builds huge arms. Jokes! I vary my training quite a bit but I tend to enjoy a total body type lift better thus I often don’t have time for direct arm work but I do find that despite how heavy my rows or chins get (BW + 70 for 5ish reps)
I don’t get anywhere near the kind of bicep growth that I do if I do some sort of bicep isolation work in addition to my back work.
I’m not sure why there are 4 pages of arguments about this, would professional bodybuilders still be doing curls if they could achieve the same results by doing back work? As far as I know pretty much every bodybuilder out there uses some sort of curl variation in addition to the work they put in on their back.
[quote]sebbie wrote:
cueball wrote:
sebbie wrote:
kinein wrote:
I think Sebbie’s point is that there is some bicep stimulation with compound moves such as the row.
lol @ FLYING fist fuck ~ that is a keeper hahaha.
Wow someone who understands this fairly self-evident point that I tried to make and have been screamed at for.
However, you DID write:
sebbie wrote:
Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.
…implying that they are USEFUL in BUILDING UP YOUR ARMS. Not that they are JUST stimulated.
cueball
Yes, and if a muscle is stimulated sufficiently then it will grow. Hence they can build up your arms if the stimulation to your biceps is great enough from them.[/quote]
Right, but again, doing back exercises won’t stimulate your arms sufficiently for them to grow (or they won’t stimulate your back enough for it to grow if you are pulling primarily with your arms).
Do back exercises to build your back.
Do biceps exercises to build your biceps.
Don’t be fooled into believing that you can hit both muscle groups just as well by only doing back exercises.
Airtruth man, are you just playing devil’s advocate for fun or did you not read the initial posts/comments made by sebbie that C_C was initially responding to?
The OP’s choice of exercises is the least of his troubles when it comes to building his biceps. He was losing weight while trying to build muscle.
Then, when we all told him to gain weight, he asked how to do it without any fat gain.
Clearly we are dealing with a very misinformed/inexperienced trainee here. And I don’t think anyone is suggesting that it would be bad advice for him to start doing compound pulling exercises.
What people are objecting to is him being told to do back exercises to build his biceps.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Airtruth man, are you just playing devil’s advocate for fun or did you not read the initial posts/comments made by sebbie that C_C was initially responding to?
The OP’s choice of exercises is the least of his troubles when it comes to building his biceps. He was losing weight while trying to build muscle.
Then, when we all told him to gain weight, he asked how to do it without any fat gain.
Clearly we are dealing with a very misinformed/inexperienced trainee here. And I don’t think anyone is suggesting that it would be bad advice for him to start doing compound pulling exercises.
What people are objecting to is him being told to do back exercises to build his biceps.[/quote]
For what it’s worth, apart from this there are also a whole bunch of threads (also one in the t-cell) about arm-work and how a lot of people don’t get anything out of curls due to doing them with…
too much volume
too few reps
after back (fine for some, not good for others)
without trying to progress all the time
due to eating too little
not knowing how to actually curl properly/stupidly trying to use the supposed “textbook form” which in this case is probably going to get you a strained rhomboid if you ever make it up to any kind of weight on alt. curls or BB curls… /different curl styles … etc.
The op may be curling twice a week, but you can also squat twice a week and make zero progress of that. Points 4 and 5 are especially important and I believe have been mentioned already anyway.
And may I please be able to assume that on the bodybuilding forum, people generally do train their backs somehow ? It’s not like this is “Beginners”. If the op can use the 110’s on flat presses, then somehow I don’t think he’s not training his goddamn back at all. Would make it difficult to get them off the DB rack, wouldn’t it?
(please OP, don’t come out of the woodwork now stating that you don’t do any kind of row, chin or dead/rack-pull… Please…
