Not Seeing Gains in My Biceps

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[quote]sebbie wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
sebbie wrote:

Your biceps flex to bend arm at the elbow in a curl etc, but during a row, were your forearms are supposed to be perpendicular to the floor, there is not really much reason for your biceps to try to bend the elbow now, is there?
Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Your biceps and triceps are just stabilizing the weight some to keep it from swinging forward or backward, which it shouldn’t really do all that much anyway.

Look, regardless of how much you try to minimize their involvement, your elbows WILL work in a row. That’s why its a compound movement, it’s not just using your back muscles. Whilst obviously if you are rowing right your back will be the prime mover, your biceps still work and get stimulation more than just stabilisation. Alternatively you have some weeeird-ass nervous system which stops your biceps from contracting on rows in any way. Who knows :)[/quote]

Posts like this are why I can’t take this board seriously anymore. I’ve never had it happen, but I would just walk away if some dude started up like this after trying to get them to understand that the biceps shouldn’t be extremely fatigued from training back.

Hell, they shouldn’t be the focus at all.

I am sure sebbie has huge arms though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
sebbie wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
sebbie wrote:

Your biceps flex to bend arm at the elbow in a curl etc, but during a row, were your forearms are supposed to be perpendicular to the floor, there is not really much reason for your biceps to try to bend the elbow now, is there?
Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Your biceps and triceps are just stabilizing the weight some to keep it from swinging forward or backward, which it shouldn’t really do all that much anyway.

Look, regardless of how much you try to minimize their involvement, your elbows WILL work in a row. That’s why its a compound movement, it’s not just using your back muscles. Whilst obviously if you are rowing right your back will be the prime mover, your biceps still work and get stimulation more than just stabilisation. Alternatively you have some weeeird-ass nervous system which stops your biceps from contracting on rows in any way. Who knows :slight_smile:

Posts like this are why I can’t take this board seriously anymore. I’ve never had it happen, but I would just walk away if some dude started up like this after trying to get them to understand that the biceps shouldn’t be extremely fatigued from training back.

Hell, they shouldn’t be the focus at all.

I am sure sebbie has huge arms though.
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding what Sebbie is writing but it seems to me that all he’s saying is that your biceps will get some stimulation/workload while doing back work. Right? I don’t think he’s trying to say that they should be the focus.

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[quote]dre wrote:
Professor X wrote:
sebbie wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
sebbie wrote:

Your biceps flex to bend arm at the elbow in a curl etc, but during a row, were your forearms are supposed to be perpendicular to the floor, there is not really much reason for your biceps to try to bend the elbow now, is there?
Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Your biceps and triceps are just stabilizing the weight some to keep it from swinging forward or backward, which it shouldn’t really do all that much anyway.

Look, regardless of how much you try to minimize their involvement, your elbows WILL work in a row. That’s why its a compound movement, it’s not just using your back muscles. Whilst obviously if you are rowing right your back will be the prime mover, your biceps still work and get stimulation more than just stabilisation. Alternatively you have some weeeird-ass nervous system which stops your biceps from contracting on rows in any way. Who knows :slight_smile:

Posts like this are why I can’t take this board seriously anymore. I’ve never had it happen, but I would just walk away if some dude started up like this after trying to get them to understand that the biceps shouldn’t be extremely fatigued from training back.

Hell, they shouldn’t be the focus at all.

I am sure sebbie has huge arms though.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what Sebbie is writing but it seems to me that all he’s saying is that your biceps will get some stimulation/workload while doing back work. Right? I don’t think he’s trying to say that they should be the focus.[/quote]

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. The point has ALWAYS BEEN that your biceps should not be working hard enough for your BACK training to be all of the training your BICEPS need.

Your back training is for…YOUR FUCKING BACK. It is NOT for biceps no matter what some little author writes.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
dre wrote:
Professor X wrote:
sebbie wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
sebbie wrote:

Your biceps flex to bend arm at the elbow in a curl etc, but during a row, were your forearms are supposed to be perpendicular to the floor, there is not really much reason for your biceps to try to bend the elbow now, is there?
Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Your biceps and triceps are just stabilizing the weight some to keep it from swinging forward or backward, which it shouldn’t really do all that much anyway.

Look, regardless of how much you try to minimize their involvement, your elbows WILL work in a row. That’s why its a compound movement, it’s not just using your back muscles. Whilst obviously if you are rowing right your back will be the prime mover, your biceps still work and get stimulation more than just stabilisation. Alternatively you have some weeeird-ass nervous system which stops your biceps from contracting on rows in any way. Who knows :slight_smile:

Posts like this are why I can’t take this board seriously anymore. I’ve never had it happen, but I would just walk away if some dude started up like this after trying to get them to understand that the biceps shouldn’t be extremely fatigued from training back.

Hell, they shouldn’t be the focus at all.

I am sure sebbie has huge arms though.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what Sebbie is writing but it seems to me that all he’s saying is that your biceps will get some stimulation/workload while doing back work. Right? I don’t think he’s trying to say that they should be the focus.

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. The point has ALWAYS BEEN that your biceps should not be working hard enough for your BACK training to be all of the training your BICEPS need.

Your back training is for…YOUR FUCKING BACK. It is NOT for biceps no matter what some little author writes.[/quote]

Ah, gotcha and I completely agree.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back.[/quote] Oh really… [quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?
[/quote]

Brilliant!

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant![/quote]

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.[/quote]

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha

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[quote]DJS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha[/quote]

I’d rather be a “fucker” then a “dick sucker” but hey to each his own.

My bad X I thought the internet was for discussing theories i didn’t realize it was actually a form of exercise where you have to carry dick suckers who can’t speak for themselves because what they agree goes against the foundation of bodybuilding…Considering Barbell Rows have been called compound exercises by everybody but you and Carnage, that would imply that it works more than just the lats.

Which case someone who has seen little progress besides cuts from doing bicep isolation exercises would probably see nice results from heavy barbell rows. Since the compound exercise version will allow his biceps to feel weight that he could never hit with an isolation curl alone. Of course this is only if it’s a compound exercise. But of course since elbows bend by themselves and gravity like DJS neck, it will not work his biceps.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.[/quote]

Calm down. I’m just saying that there is some degree of biceps stimulation froms rows and back work, no matter how much you try to minimize their involvement. I never said ‘don’t train biceps’ or ‘focus on your biceps when doing back work’ or anything of the sort.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
DJS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha

I’d rather be a “fucker” then a “dick sucker” but hey to each his own.

My bad X I thought the internet was for discussing theories i didn’t realize it was actually a form of exercise where you have to carry dick suckers who can’t speak for themselves because what they agree goes against the foundation of bodybuilding…Considering Barbell Rows have been called compound exercises by everybody but you and Carnage, that would imply that it works more than just the lats.

Which case someone who has seen little progress besides cuts from doing bicep isolation exercises would probably see nice results from heavy barbell rows. Since the compound exercise version will allow his biceps to feel weight that he could never hit with an isolation curl alone. Of course this is only if it’s a compound exercise. But of course since elbows bend by themselves and gravity like DJS neck, it will not work his biceps.[/quote]

You are now officially whining. Congrats. Apparently anyone who agrees with me causes you physical pain. Maybe you should not worry so much about the responses I get. My guess is you would be even more upset if you really knew me.

I never wrote anywhere that rows are not a compound movement. You are now lying as well as whining. You are going to get a trophy for all of this if you don’t watch out.

However, unlike you and several other brainwashed lemmings on this board and others, I haven’t listened to random personal trainers until I think that doing a compound movement means that this is all I need for optimal growth of all muscles involved.

In fact, as far as your cute scenario, if someone is truly seeing no progress but “cuts” from their training, THEY ARE NOT FUCKING EATING ENOUGH.

Not one person here has written to avoid compound movements. Your argument has no basis in reality other than to show how butt hurt you are that some people pay attention to me.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
DJS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha

I’d rather be a “fucker” then a “dick sucker” but hey to each his own.

My bad X I thought the internet was for discussing theories i didn’t realize it was actually a form of exercise where you have to carry dick suckers who can’t speak for themselves because what they agree goes against the foundation of bodybuilding…Considering Barbell Rows have been called compound exercises by everybody but you and Carnage, that would imply that it works more than just the lats.

Which case someone who has seen little progress besides cuts from doing bicep isolation exercises would probably see nice results from heavy barbell rows. Since the compound exercise version will allow his biceps to feel weight that he could never hit with an isolation curl alone. Of course this is only if it’s a compound exercise. But of course since elbows bend by themselves and gravity like DJS neck, it will not work his biceps.[/quote]

Dude… Why are you spazing out like a little girl? I thought what Prof wrote was funny. I don’t see how turning around and calling me a Dick Sucker makes any sense at all. When I read his new “title” for this forum i laughed out loud. It had nothing to do with you.

Then you lose your composure and start lashing out with tears streaming down your face. Relax your lock jaw for a minute and take a deep breath. It’s all going to be ok.

Now… Dick Sucker or not… I agree from my experience about pulling with your back and not your arms. This is a real thing. I pulled with my arms for years and would only really concentrate on my back during the final contraction. Using a thumbless grip and other slight changes in form helped me use my arms less.

Chill the fuck out. Not everyone is waiting around for Prof. X to get into an argument with someone so they can jump in and gang up on them. I am not one of those people.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.[/quote]

Right, C_C’s point is that the weight of the bar (or BW in the case of chins/pull-ups) should keep the lower arms in the line of pull (directly in line with the resistance). And, since the hands are attached to the resistance (via the bar) they will undoubtedly be drawn into the body, thus causing a bend in the elbow joint.

This is achieved due to the contraction of the back muscles though (pulling the upper arms towards the sides/rear of the body), not due to a contraction in the arm flexors.

The arm flexors can come into play on maximal lifts, or when the back musculature is significantly fatigued and one attempts to “cheat” a couple more reps out. But if your arm flexors are significantly fatigued due to doing back exercises then chances are you are doing them wrong.

Edit: And a point of clarification on the “compound” vs. “isolation” debate. Those two terms have nothing to do with the number of muscles that are being engaged during a lift and everything to do with the number of joint actions which take place during a lift.

Multiple muscles groups are working during a RDL, but it’s still technically an isolation exercise because the only joint action is hip extension.

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If you really want to see gains in your biceps just do a lot of rowing and pulling.

joke.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
DJS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha

I’d rather be a “fucker” then a “dick sucker” but hey to each his own.

My bad X I thought the internet was for discussing theories i didn’t realize it was actually a form of exercise where you have to carry dick suckers who can’t speak for themselves because what they agree goes against the foundation of bodybuilding…Considering Barbell Rows have been called compound exercises by everybody but you and Carnage, that would imply that it works more than just the lats.

Which case someone who has seen little progress besides cuts from doing bicep isolation exercises would probably see nice results from heavy barbell rows. Since the compound exercise version will allow his biceps to feel weight that he could never hit with an isolation curl alone. Of course this is only if it’s a compound exercise. But of course since elbows bend by themselves and gravity like DJS neck, it will not work his biceps.

You are now officially whining. Congrats. Apparently anyone who agrees with me causes you physical pain. Maybe you should not worry so much about the responses I get. My guess is you would be even more upset if you really knew me.

I never wrote anywhere that rows are not a compound movement. You are now lying as well as whining. You are going to get a trophy for all of this if you don’t watch out.

However, unlike you and several other brainwashed lemmings on this board and others, I haven’t listened to random personal trainers until I think that doing a compound movement means that this is all I need for optimal growth of all muscles involved.

In fact, as far as your cute scenario, if someone is truly seeing no progress but “cuts” from their training, THEY ARE NOT FUCKING EATING ENOUGH.

Not one person here has written to avoid compound movements. Your argument has no basis in reality other than to show how butt hurt you are that some people pay attention to me.[/quote]

Whining and lying ? I just pointed out where Carnage SPECIFICALLY stated, elbows bend by themselves as well as gravity takes care of it. I believe you can only see what you want in your Personal Trainers vs pro bodyb…wait Dentist rpg fantasy.

What you did say however was rows should only work the lats which means ISOLATION exercise.

I on the other hand disagree. Along with the OP gaining more muscle, I think heavy dose of heavy rows will help his bi’s.

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I think the OP needs to eat food and give himself some time to get accustomed to the altitude.

It takes longer for some folks than others.

During acclimitization at altitude the body will fucking eat itself while it’s adjusting to less oxygen in the ambient air. Nothing grows except hair.

And. Train. Everything.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
DJS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha

I’d rather be a “fucker” then a “dick sucker” but hey to each his own.

My bad X I thought the internet was for discussing theories i didn’t realize it was actually a form of exercise where you have to carry dick suckers who can’t speak for themselves because what they agree goes against the foundation of bodybuilding…Considering Barbell Rows have been called compound exercises by everybody but you and Carnage, that would imply that it works more than just the lats.

Which case someone who has seen little progress besides cuts from doing bicep isolation exercises would probably see nice results from heavy barbell rows. Since the compound exercise version will allow his biceps to feel weight that he could never hit with an isolation curl alone. Of course this is only if it’s a compound exercise. But of course since elbows bend by themselves and gravity like DJS neck, it will not work his biceps.

You are now officially whining. Congrats. Apparently anyone who agrees with me causes you physical pain. Maybe you should not worry so much about the responses I get. My guess is you would be even more upset if you really knew me.

I never wrote anywhere that rows are not a compound movement. You are now lying as well as whining. You are going to get a trophy for all of this if you don’t watch out.

However, unlike you and several other brainwashed lemmings on this board and others, I haven’t listened to random personal trainers until I think that doing a compound movement means that this is all I need for optimal growth of all muscles involved.

In fact, as far as your cute scenario, if someone is truly seeing no progress but “cuts” from their training, THEY ARE NOT FUCKING EATING ENOUGH.

Not one person here has written to avoid compound movements. Your argument has no basis in reality other than to show how butt hurt you are that some people pay attention to me.

Whining and lying ? I just pointed out where Carnage SPECIFICALLY stated, elbows bend by themselves as well as gravity takes care of it. I believe you can only see what you want in your Personal Trainers vs pro bodyb…wait Dentist rpg fantasy.

What you did say however was rows should only work the lats which means ISOLATION exercise.

I on the other hand disagree. Along with the OP gaining more muscle, I think heavy dose of heavy rows will help his bi’s.[/quote]

Oh dear god you are pretty damn stupid. It really is not complicated you know. Lets drop the compound/isolation nonsense and examine this simply.

How many guys do you know who go in on arm day planning on doing multiple sets or “rows” LMAO!

Yes i’m going to really kick my arms hard-ass today… forget close grip benches, skull crushers, tricep pushdowns, barbell curls, hammer curls, machine curls, preacher curls, wrist curls. LETS DO SOME ROWS AND PULLUPS!! LMAO!

Next you will be saying we should all do ‘cheat barbell curls’ - on back day.

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[quote]Alex-L wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
DJS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… Cephalic_Carnage wrote: Your elbows will bend by themselves simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha

I’d rather be a “fucker” then a “dick sucker” but hey to each his own.

My bad X I thought the internet was for discussing theories i didn’t realize it was actually a form of exercise where you have to carry dick suckers who can’t speak for themselves because what they agree goes against the foundation of bodybuilding…Considering Barbell Rows have been called compound exercises by everybody but you and Carnage, that would imply that it works more than just the lats.

Which case someone who has seen little progress besides cuts from doing bicep isolation exercises would probably see nice results from heavy barbell rows. Since the compound exercise version will allow his biceps to feel weight that he could never hit with an isolation curl alone. Of course this is only if it’s a compound exercise. But of course since elbows bend by themselves and gravity like DJS neck, it will not work his biceps.

You are now officially whining. Congrats. Apparently anyone who agrees with me causes you physical pain. Maybe you should not worry so much about the responses I get. My guess is you would be even more upset if you really knew me.

I never wrote anywhere that rows are not a compound movement. You are now lying as well as whining. You are going to get a trophy for all of this if you don’t watch out.

However, unlike you and several other brainwashed lemmings on this board and others, I haven’t listened to random personal trainers until I think that doing a compound movement means that this is all I need for optimal growth of all muscles involved.

In fact, as far as your cute scenario, if someone is truly seeing no progress but “cuts” from their training, THEY ARE NOT FUCKING EATING ENOUGH.

Not one person here has written to avoid compound movements. Your argument has no basis in reality other than to show how butt hurt you are that some people pay attention to me.

Whining and lying ? I just pointed out where Carnage SPECIFICALLY stated, elbows bend by themselves as well as gravity takes care of it. I believe you can only see what you want in your Personal Trainers vs pro bodyb…wait Dentist rpg fantasy.

What you did say however was rows should only work the lats which means ISOLATION exercise.

I on the other hand disagree. Along with the OP gaining more muscle, I think heavy dose of heavy rows will help his bi’s.

Oh dear god you are pretty damn stupid. It really is not complicated you know. Lets drop the compound/isolation nonsense and examine this simply.

How many guys do you know who go in on arm day planning on doing multiple sets or “rows” LMAO!

Yes i’m going to really kick my arms hard-ass today… forget close grip benches, skull crushers, tricep pushdowns, barbell curls, hammer curls, machine curls, preacher curls, wrist curls. LETS DO SOME ROWS AND PULLUPS!! LMAO!

Next you will be saying we should all do ‘cheat barbell curls’ - on back day.

[/quote]

I know several authors on here and many coaches in real life who would claim that you can use close-grip chins or close-grip bench presses for arms just as effectively as any of those exercises you’ve listed. Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.

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[quote]sebbie wrote:
Alex-L wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
DJS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The point is, no one is trying to say that your biceps simply do not work at all while training back. Oh really… [b]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

Your elbows will bend by themselves[/b] simply because your lats and rear delts etc bring your upper arm into a position parallel to the floor. If Gravity takes care of bending the arm at the elbow that for you, why would you actively try to bend it?

Brilliant!

It is brilliant, because that is exactly what you should be thinking when doing the fucking exercise. Your biceps should be thought of as simply holding onto the weight, not ACTIVELY moving the weight on their own.

When I do rows, my biceps are not fatigued.

Like I said, I can’t take this forum seriously anymore. They should change the name from “Bodybuilding” to “fuckers who want to talk about theory and get their panties in a bunch if you don’t draw them graphs and diagrams with every statement”.

You had me with “fuckers”

ha ha ha

I’d rather be a “fucker” then a “dick sucker” but hey to each his own.

My bad X I thought the internet was for discussing theories i didn’t realize it was actually a form of exercise where you have to carry dick suckers who can’t speak for themselves because what they agree goes against the foundation of bodybuilding…

Considering Barbell Rows have been called compound exercises by everybody but you and Carnage, that would imply that it works more than just the lats.

Which case someone who has seen little progress besides cuts from doing bicep isolation exercises would probably see nice results from heavy barbell rows. Since the compound exercise version will allow his biceps to feel weight that he could never hit with an isolation curl alone.

Of course this is only if it’s a compound exercise. But of course since elbows bend by themselves and gravity like DJS neck, it will not work his biceps.

You are now officially whining. Congrats. Apparently anyone who agrees with me causes you physical pain. Maybe you should not worry so much about the responses I get. My guess is you would be even more upset if you really knew me.

I never wrote anywhere that rows are not a compound movement. You are now lying as well as whining. You are going to get a trophy for all of this if you don’t watch out.

However, unlike you and several other brainwashed lemmings on this board and others, I haven’t listened to random personal trainers until I think that doing a compound movement means that this is all I need for optimal growth of all muscles involved.

In fact, as far as your cute scenario, if someone is truly seeing no progress but “cuts” from their training, THEY ARE NOT FUCKING EATING ENOUGH.

Not one person here has written to avoid compound movements. Your argument has no basis in reality other than to show how butt hurt you are that some people pay attention to me.

Whining and lying ? I just pointed out where Carnage SPECIFICALLY stated, elbows bend by themselves as well as gravity takes care of it. I believe you can only see what you want in your Personal Trainers vs pro bodyb…wait Dentist rpg fantasy.

What you did say however was rows should only work the lats which means ISOLATION exercise.

I on the other hand disagree. Along with the OP gaining more muscle, I think heavy dose of heavy rows will help his bi’s.

Oh dear god you are pretty damn stupid. It really is not complicated you know. Lets drop the compound/isolation nonsense and examine this simply.

How many guys do you know who go in on arm day planning on doing multiple sets or “rows” LMAO!

Yes i’m going to really kick my arms hard-ass today… forget close grip benches, skull crushers, tricep pushdowns, barbell curls, hammer curls, machine curls, preacher curls, wrist curls. LETS DO SOME ROWS AND PULLUPS!! LMAO!

Next you will be saying we should all do ‘cheat barbell curls’ - on back day.

I know several authors on here and many coaches in real life who would claim that you can use close-grip chins or close-grip bench presses for arms just as effectively as any of those exercises you’ve listed. Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.[/quote]

And…none of them have impressive arms.

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[quote]sebbie wrote:
Alex-L wrote:
Airtruth wrote:

How many guys do you know who go in on arm day planning on doing multiple sets or “rows” LMAO!

Yes i’m going to really kick my arms hard-ass today… forget close grip benches, skull crushers, tricep pushdowns, barbell curls, hammer curls, machine curls, preacher curls, wrist curls. LETS DO SOME ROWS AND PULLUPS!! LMAO!

Next you will be saying we should all do ‘cheat barbell curls’ - on back day.

I know several authors on here and many coaches in real life who would claim that you can use close-grip chins or close-grip bench presses for arms just as effectively as any of those exercises you’ve listed. Just because they’re compounds doesn’t mean that they’re useless at building up your arms.[/quote]

Sebbie, haven’t you learned by now Alex-L’s arms bend by themselves.

Alex-L, I guess you never seen anyone train back and bi’s right? What’s that mean? Heavy rows followed by curls dumb ass.
Plus we all know bodybuilders are very strict and NEVER workout more than one muscle group in the same workout. What person would do Chest and Tri’s right? Can you say Bench and dips.

Instead your going to tell the OP to keep doing his arm day 2 days a week like he’s been doing and one day he’ll get a different result then what he has been getting? The definition of stupid.