Hey guys, thanks for reading. I’m at the end of my rope and thought maybe i could get some help here. I’m 54 6’ 205 and have been on some kind of gear well over a year. I started out on a Dr supervised program, i was using .3 test cyp sq for quite a while. Not seeing any results i bumped up to .5 sq twice a week. I spoke to some guys at the gym, they said i was wasting my time doing SQ injections. Ok, so i switch to IM using a 1” 25g pin. Now in up to 1ml IM twice aw week!!! Still nothing significant going in!!! You can imagine my frustration. Ok so next step i cycle sus and tbol. My strength definitely improved but only saw slight physical changes!!! By the last 14 days of that cycle i had to stop tbol ( it was tearing up my stomach) Had bloodwork done and everything was good, test level was 1500!! And liver enzymes were only slightly elevated. currently on PCT. My next cycle is going to be sus and winny IM. Why am I still not seeing any significant physical results!!!
How many years have you been lifting weights?
Are considered strong compared to most others in the gym? Give us some examples of your strength.
Not everyone has the genetics to get significant benefits from AAS. Testosterone level is not the sole genetic factor for adding muscle. Not everyone can “safely” tolerate AAS. (All AAS above TRT carries risk as a component when using)
IMO, if you are lean, this isn’t terrible. It is about what I would expect from the gear you have run. If you are fat, then I understand your concerns.
How much can you lift on your compound exercises that you’re best at? That will give me some idea of your development.
Lifting since my teens. My last two set on bench are 225 for 6ish 235 for 3. I work out with a guys that only runs test and he benches 315 for7 and is shredded wheat!!! My strength isn’t the issue, with the exception of flat bench my weight on everything has gone up significantly
You are simply not providing enough information. First, we need your full and actual training regimen. Second, we need your full diet with macros. If you don’t know them, as you alluded, then you need to find out. Nutrition is every bit as important as what you do in the gym. Third, you are 54 and past your prime. I’m not sure who you are comparing yourself to, but most people are winding down or ceasing their cycling habits at this age. Why are you doing PCT and not just going back to doctor supervised TRT off cycle? That makes way more sense.
Summary… get your macros in order. “Can’t lose bellyfat” is a BS answer. If you can’t do that first, don’t jab yourself with a needle.
Well, I think I found your issue with results lol.
Neither do I, but macros can still be tracked. I believe its under Profile>Goals>Calories/Macros.
Might I suggest a smarter aproach? One written and tested by thousands of hyooge and strong people around the world?
What you’re doing now is effectively a bro split and I haven’t heard any mention of a progression method so I’ll assume you don’t have one for now. Bro splits work well for a bit, but eventually you gotta step your game up and use a more calculated approach.
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In the words of R. Kelly and Aaliyah “age ain’t nothin’ but a number”. One landed in jail for abusing minors, and the other died young… not exactly the motto I would follow =)
Shredded comes down to diet. Now dieting to be shredded isn’t the same difficulty for everyone. Some people get lean easy, some it’s much more difficult.
It isn’t drugs that’s holding you back here is what I am trying to say. It might be more difficult for you to be shredded than them, but it’s just what it is. Do more activity that burns calories and eat less.
As far as strength disparity, that could be a few things. Genetics, age, training, diet, drugs… I don’t think you have a shortage of drugs holding you back based on your bench numbers. You can’t control genetics or age. I’d look to diet and training.
I have a pretty good bench, but I’ve done a lot of work to get it there. I’ve done blocks where I’ve done 15 sets of 10 to build a base off of which I can peak and be strong. These weren’t easy sets either.
Your buddy doing 315 lbs for 7, could be a few things. Does he train different than you? Is he built to bench press? What could you do to get you closer to that?
A lot of members on this forum (including myself) have seen tons of progress by following Jim Wendler’s 5/3/1 progression model for the big 4 (bench, OHP, squats, deadlifts). I think these lifts, when combined with an organized progression method such as 5/3/1, make the best building block or ‘base’ of any program.
Then you have your accessory stuff, which would compliment each movement pattern respectively.
Bench would be best combined with other horizontal pressing movements
OHP would be best combined with vertical pressing movements
Squats with legs (or quads, glutes, calves)
Deadlifts with Pull muscles (or with hamstrings if not working hams on Squat day)
There are accessory programs Wendler has included in his books, the best of which is likely Boring But Big (I haven’t run this one yet, but many have and give it 10/10 reviews).
Most guys and gals see the best results between 3-5 days a week, most commonly 4x per week though. I think you are training too frequently at 6x per week; it’s good for fat loss, not for muscle gain though.
As others have said, losing bodyfat is entirely diet - something I think you’re aware you need to dial in.
Please describe in more detail, like squat and deadlift numbers. Do you do any over head presses? You are going to hate this, but how many pull-ups can you do?