Norway Shooting/Bombing

[quote]Amonero wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Amonero wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Amonero wrote:

First, because people were screaming about a muslim attack without any evidence pointing to that

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I agree with everything you say except the above. It’s not fair. All that was known at the time was that it was a coordinated car bomb/civilian shooting massacre in Norway and that a Jihadist group had claimed responsbility. Anyone who suspected/believed yet another Jihadist attack was completely justified in their expectation based on the information available and recent historical precedents.[/quote]

No. The Norwegian media was very conservative, they called it a terrorist attack, which they shouldn’t have, but no Muslim groups claimed responsibility. The group in question, Ansar al-jihad al-alami, said the reason for the event was our presence in Afghanistan and publishing drawings of Muhammed. They also said they had warned about attacks of this kind after Stockholm, but any informed reader should know this always happens after events such as this, and showing support is by no means the same as being responsible.

It went as far as muslim and other with coloured skin being harassed in the streets - it is scary how ignorant fear can make people. Even after it was known that the killer was a sacndinavian, the American media speculated that he might me recruited by islamist groups, or brainwashed.

It was a classical case of fear-induced mass hysteria, and when you start pointing fingers randomly based on past events and close your eyes to the actualities, you risk doing unjustified harm by acting out those fears.
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Any ‘fear-induced mass hysteria’ that resulted was entirely due to the terror and propaganda of Islamic fundamentalists. Like I said, there are literally WEEKLY attacks like this committed by Jihadists. It bears all the hallmarks of a Jihadist attack; coordinated vehicle bomb and small arms massacre of civilians. A Jihadist group ‘associated’ itself with the attack and claimed themselves it was a Jihadist attack. You cannot blame anyone for believing that it was.[/quote]

You are wrong and misinformed. Nowhere in the world are there weekly massacres of 100 people by one man and bombs blowing up government buildings. If you had read the statement made by Ansar al-jihad al-alami, you would have to have pretty low reading comprehension skills to read that as ‘associating themselves’ with the attack, or want to believe it was done by Islamists. Understand this - alot of the world’s perception of ‘terrorism’, islamism’ and ‘jihadists’ is created by the U.S government and media in collaboration - reality differs.
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I didn’t suggest there are weekly attacks with the exact same details as this one, as you must well know. I didn’t read the Islamist claim of responsibility either because by the time I heard about it I also knew it was bullshit. I also don’t want to derail this thread, so I won’t repeat what I have already said but I will reaffirm it.

It seems more people were arrested.

This is why people should carry weapons with them. If someone in that crown even had a handgun, this shit would far less dead people…

would you, as 16 yr old kid (or camp activity organiser/counsellor) take a handgun to a youth summer camp?
shut up dumbass

[quote]niksamaras wrote:
This is why people should carry weapons with them. If someone in that crown even had a handgun, this shit would far less dead people…[/quote]

Increased security at large gatherings, yes. Arming untrained, scared people - no. Look at places where there are more guns per hand than Norway - more gun related deaths, not less. 75.000 gun-related deaths in the USA in 2000, including homicides, suicides and accidents. If someone did have a handgun, chances of them hitting and killing a man with a scoped assault rifle and tactical bulletproof armour would be slim at best, and at worst would give the gunman an extra weapon. Using a small pistol effectively in a panic like the one that erupted at Utøya requires training.

Imagine if all those 700 had stormed the man? 10 deaths, at most. They could easily have overpowered him - but they were afraid and in shock, which enabled him to hunt them down.

[quote]Edevus wrote:
It seems more people were arrested.

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I can only find a source claiming an additional person being ‘questioned’ and a report from ‘someone on the island’ who claims to have seen two gunmen. Generally a person suspected of involvement in the crime being investigated is described as ‘helping Police with their enquiries’. The ‘being questioned’ phrase suggests the Police don’t consider this person a suspect.

“You will forever be celebrated by your people as a martyr for your country, protecting your culture and fighting for your kin and for Christendom. You will be remembered as a conservative revolutionary pioneer, one of the brave European Crusader heroes who said; enough is enough, it is time to take back our countries before our multiculturalist traitor elites actually manages to finalize their agenda and sell us all into Muslim slavery. Your sacrifice will be a great source of inspiration for generations of Europeans to come. You will become a role model for hundreds, perhaps thousands of new emerging martyrs fighting the good fight, our fight. And when we seize political and military power in Europe within a few decades, it will be pioneers and historical pioneers like you who will be celebrated with reverence. Revolutionary patriots like the Justiciar Knights will then be celebrated as destroyers of Marxism and the slayer of tyrants; the fearless and selfless protectors of Europe, The Perfect Knights. For there is no greater glory than dying selflessly while pro-actively protecting your people from persecution and gradual demographical annihilation.”

Yet he laid down his weapons to the police…

[quote]xjusticex2013x wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Why is this thread turning into: the media will blame steroids and bodybuilding for this Herp Derp? That hasn’t been brought up in the news. [/quote]

Preemptive strike.

How can you deny it!?[/quote]

That would be absolutely fucking retarded. No one would even SUGGEST that anabolic steroids somehow made a man plan this for years and then execute that plan in such a horrendous and cold hearted way.

The guy isn’t even remotely muscular looking, how would steroids even enter into it.

Your post may be the dumbest I have ever read on Tnation. Congratulations.[/quote]

I’m pretty sure that he was being facetious.
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Bingo. I guess Ben isn’t all that quick.

[quote]Edevus wrote:
“You will forever be celebrated by your people as a martyr for your country, protecting your culture and fighting for your kin and for Christendom. You will be remembered as a conservative revolutionary pioneer, one of the brave European Crusader heroes who said; enough is enough, it is time to take back our countries before our multiculturalist traitor elites actually manages to finalize their agenda and sell us all into Muslim slavery. Your sacrifice will be a great source of inspiration for generations of Europeans to come. You will become a role model for hundreds, perhaps thousands of new emerging martyrs fighting the good fight, our fight. And when we seize political and military power in Europe within a few decades, it will be pioneers and historical pioneers like you who will be celebrated with reverence. Revolutionary patriots like the Justiciar Knights will then be celebrated as destroyers of Marxism and the slayer of tyrants; the fearless and selfless protectors of Europe, The Perfect Knights. For there is no greater glory than dying selflessly while pro-actively protecting your people from persecution and gradual demographical annihilation.”

Yet he laid down his weapons to the police…

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Yes, but the Police have guns. When the ‘perfect Justiciar knight’ has an opportunity to achieve the ‘greatest glory’ by dying ‘selflessly’ as a ‘martyr’, it has to be of old age in a taxpayer-funded mental institution for the criminally insane. That’s how these one man crusades are supposed to work apparently. One man crusades against unarmed Norwegian teenagers I mean.

Guess so. I suppose it was tempting to die in fight, but if he had dedicated so much time to write a chapter about what to say in court, why not put it in practice?

This manifesto is the Handbook for the Perfect Terrorist. It has everything you could ever need.

It’s like reading SCI-FI or something. I’m in a continous state of shock.

EDIT : Man, he has even designed the society of the future.

[quote]Edevus wrote:
Guess so. I suppose it was tempting to die in fight, but if he had dedicated so much time to write a chapter about what to say in court, why not put it in practice?

This manifesto is the Handbook for the Perfect Terrorist. It has everything you could ever need.

It’s like reading SCI-FI or something. I’m in a continous state of shock.
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Out of ammo.

6 more people have been arrested.

[quote]Amonero wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
Guess so. I suppose it was tempting to die in fight, but if he had dedicated so much time to write a chapter about what to say in court, why not put it in practice?

This manifesto is the Handbook for the Perfect Terrorist. It has everything you could ever need.

It’s like reading SCI-FI or something. I’m in a continous state of shock.
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Out of ammo.

6 more people have been arrested.
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They are free already.

Yep.

I said it already earlier, but I say it again, because you’ll be seeing this everywhere soon. This is the Mein Kampf of this century.

European Civil War, new society design, how to achieve it, steps, phases, etc.

He needed to shock the world to show his work to the people, to make it popular.

EDIT : I can’t find any mentions to Utøya. I guess he kept those in a different document.

[quote]Edevus wrote:
I said it already earlier, but I say it again, because you’ll be seeing this everywhere soon. This is the Mein Kampf of this century.

European Civil War, new society design, how to achieve it, steps, phases, etc.

He needed to shock the world to show his work to the people, to make it popular.

EDIT : I can’t find any mentions to UtÃ?¸ya. I guess he kept those in a different document. [/quote]

I’m reading it too. If you think this has ANY chance WHATSOEVER of creating even a copycat attack, let alone starting a guerrilla in Europe then you are mistaken. It is however, a very interesting document but completely devoid from reality both morally and practically.

It seems like he saw it as an opportunity, he was on the brink of being found out by the local community and couldn’t keep the bomb building secret anymore . In his manifesto, he imagines driving through the streets, guns blazing, police in hot pursuit. It wouldn’t surpise me if Utøya was him jumping at the chance impulsively to attack a large gathering of future politicians.

I have a feeling that he is only the first. As you said, this manifesto is full of information.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
I said it already earlier, but I say it again, because you’ll be seeing this everywhere soon. This is the Mein Kampf of this century.

European Civil War, new society design, how to achieve it, steps, phases, etc.

He needed to shock the world to show his work to the people, to make it popular.

EDIT : I can’t find any mentions to UtÃ???Ã??Ã?¸ya. I guess he kept those in a different document. [/quote]

I’m reading it too. If you think this has ANY chance WHATSOEVER of creating even a copycat attack, let alone starting a guerrilla in Europe then you are mistaken. It is however, a very interesting document but completely devoid from reality both morally and practically.[/quote]

It won’t happen, but yeah, I agree, it’s very interesting. I’ve spent hours reading it, so I think it’s time to take a rest of it.

[quote]Amonero wrote:
It seems like he saw it as an opportunity, he was on the brink of being found out by the local community and couldn’t keep the bomb building secret anymore . In his manifesto, he imagines driving through the streets, guns blazing, police in hot pursuit. It wouldn’t surpise me if UtÃ?¸ya was him jumping at the chance impulsively to attack a large gathering of future politicians.[/quote]

Yeah, but at 12.51 PM on 22th July he was still talking about the Autumn “costume party” and all that…and few hours later he had bombed Oslo. What if he didn’t bomb Oslo himself? Or has he admited to do it?
Maybe someone just bombed Oslo and he saw the chance to open fire himself.

Shit… Just read an article about how the Norwegian TV stations NRK and VG actually called
the people trying to hide during the massacre.

The survivor Tore Christensen on Twitter: “Dear media. Fucking idiots. What were you thinking, calling people trying to escape from a heavy armed terrorist”.

Tore received call from a journalist when Anders (the terrorist) was 2-3 metres away from him shooting people.

His manifesto turns out to be a big rip off. Copy paste from different places, the unabombers manifesto being one of them