[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I said it already earlier, but I say it again, because you’ll be seeing this everywhere soon. This is the Mein Kampf of this century.
European Civil War, new society design, how to achieve it, steps, phases, etc.
He needed to shock the world to show his work to the people, to make it popular.
EDIT : I can’t find any mentions to UtÃ???Ã???Ã??Ã?¸ya. I guess he kept those in a different document. [/quote]
I’m reading it too. If you think this has ANY chance WHATSOEVER of creating even a copycat attack, let alone starting a guerrilla in Europe then you are mistaken. It is however, a very interesting document but completely devoid from reality both morally and practically.[/quote]
It won’t happen, but yeah, I agree, it’s very interesting. I’ve spent hours reading it, so I think it’s time to take a rest of it.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
It seems like he saw it as an opportunity, he was on the brink of being found out by the local community and couldn’t keep the bomb building secret anymore . In his manifesto, he imagines driving through the streets, guns blazing, police in hot pursuit. It wouldn’t surpise me if UtÃ??Ã?¸ya was him jumping at the chance impulsively to attack a large gathering of future politicians.[/quote]
Yeah, but at 12.51 PM on 22th July he was still talking about the Autumn “costume party” and all that…and few hours later he had bombed Oslo. What if he didn’t bomb Oslo himself? Or has he admited to do it?
Maybe someone just bombed Oslo and he saw the chance to open fire himself.
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He’s seen on secuirty tapes outside right before the bombing, then speeding off in another car, and arriving at Utøya in a timeframe fitting with the 40 minutes it takes to drive from Oslo to there. He has also admitted to doing it.
[quote]JonDoh wrote:
His manifesto turns out to be a big rip off. Copy paste from different places, the unabombers manifesto being one of them[/quote]
What part exactly?
[quote]Bambi wrote:
I have a feeling that he is only the first. As you said, this manifesto is full of information.[/quote]
I’ll eat my hat if there’s even so much as a copycat attack. As for an organised guerrilla, inspired by these atrocities or otherwise, it’s beyond ridiculous.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I said it already earlier, but I say it again, because you’ll be seeing this everywhere soon. This is the Mein Kampf of this century.
European Civil War, new society design, how to achieve it, steps, phases, etc.
He needed to shock the world to show his work to the people, to make it popular.
EDIT : I can’t find any mentions to UtÃ???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?¸ya. I guess he kept those in a different document. [/quote]
I’m reading it too. If you think this has ANY chance WHATSOEVER of creating even a copycat attack, let alone starting a guerrilla in Europe then you are mistaken. It is however, a very interesting document but completely devoid from reality both morally and practically.[/quote]
It won’t happen, but yeah, I agree, it’s very interesting. I’ve spent hours reading it, so I think it’s time to take a rest of it.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
It seems like he saw it as an opportunity, he was on the brink of being found out by the local community and couldn’t keep the bomb building secret anymore . In his manifesto, he imagines driving through the streets, guns blazing, police in hot pursuit. It wouldn’t surpise me if UtÃ???Ã??Ã?¸ya was him jumping at the chance impulsively to attack a large gathering of future politicians.[/quote]
Yeah, but at 12.51 PM on 22th July he was still talking about the Autumn “costume party” and all that…and few hours later he had bombed Oslo. What if he didn’t bomb Oslo himself? Or has he admited to do it?
Maybe someone just bombed Oslo and he saw the chance to open fire himself.
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He’s seen on secuirty tapes outside right before the bombing, then speeding off in another car, and arriving at UtÃ?¸ya in a timeframe fitting with the 40 minutes it takes to drive from Oslo to there. He has also admitted to doing it.
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Ah ok. I had read that he had been spotted, but I was thinking it was witnesses.
Thanks for the link. I can see the new society idea not being his own and the explosives information taken from internet, but the entire package is still impressive.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]JonDoh wrote:
His manifesto turns out to be a big rip off. Copy paste from different places, the unabombers manifesto being one of them[/quote]
What part exactly?
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It’s full of cut and pastes and he states this somewhere on the first page or something. Many of the articles have the author’s name attributed and footnotes with sources are provided. Many well known conservative authors in there too.
The guy’s a history buff but I’ve already come across glaring historical errors. Grammar, syntax and spelling pretty good for someone who doesn’t speak English as a first language. If you’ll excuse me I have to read more of this.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
This is why people should carry weapons with them. If someone in that crown even had a handgun, this shit would far less dead people…[/quote]
Increased security at large gatherings, yes. Arming untrained, scared people - no. Look at places where there are more guns per hand than Norway - more gun related deaths, not less. [/quote]
Austria:
Population: 8 million
Firearms: in 40% of households
Handguns: in 20% of households
Murders committed with firearms per year: 25
I looked.
You are wrong.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
This is why people should carry weapons with them. If someone in that crown even had a handgun, this shit would far less dead people…[/quote]
Increased security at large gatherings, yes. Arming untrained, scared people - no. Look at places where there are more guns per hand than Norway - more gun related deaths, not less. [/quote]
Austria:
Population: 8 million
Firearms: in 40% of households
Handguns: in 20% of households
Murders committed with firearms per year: 25
I looked.
You are wrong.
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Of course there are more factors than that. Culture, socio-economical status of the owners, local laws, crime rates, social instability…There is, however, little doubt that more guns mean more gun related deaths, generally. What you’ll see though, is that, going by the Small Arms-survey of 2007 and Eighth United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and
Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, you’ll see the correlations, both between where more firearms result in more homicides, where they result in more suicides, and where cultural and societal factors come into play.
Spanish press is reporting that the manifesto is totally copied from Unabomber one.
Unabomber = 57 pages.
This one = 1500 pages.
Ok.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
Spanish press is reporting that the manifesto is totally copied from Unabomber one.
Unabomber = 57 pages.
This one = 1500 pages.
Ok.[/quote]
The media coverage of this is a clusterfuck, as must be expected. I read through the .pdf yesterday, and the media’s take on it today is so off base it makes it sound like we’ve read different files. Like you say, they find a few copied paragraphs, and say the whole thing is plagiarism when the man states he uses several other sources than himself to compile the 770 000 word document.I am not defending him or his work, but the people’s right to be informed, not misinformed and misled.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
Spanish press is reporting that the manifesto is totally copied from Unabomber one.
Unabomber = 57 pages.
This one = 1500 pages.
Ok.[/quote]
The media coverage of this is a clusterfuck, as must be expected. I read through the .pdf yesterday, and the media’s take on it today is so off base it makes it sound like we’ve read different files. Like you say, they find a few copied paragraphs, and say the whole thing is plagiarism when the man states he uses several other sources than himself to compile the 770 000 word document.I am not defending him or his work, but the people’s right to be informed, not misinformed and misled.[/quote]
I agree. I guess he was right about how the media will do everything they can to distort information about him. He seems to be one step ahead of us.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]xjusticex2013x wrote:
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Why is this thread turning into: the media will blame steroids and bodybuilding for this Herp Derp? That hasn’t been brought up in the news. [/quote]
Preemptive strike.
How can you deny it!?[/quote]
That would be absolutely fucking retarded. No one would even SUGGEST that anabolic steroids somehow made a man plan this for years and then execute that plan in such a horrendous and cold hearted way.
The guy isn’t even remotely muscular looking, how would steroids even enter into it.
Your post may be the dumbest I have ever read on Tnation. Congratulations.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure that he was being facetious.
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Bingo. I guess Ben isn’t all that quick.[/quote]
Oh my bad. Great joke dude, would read again.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
Spanish press is reporting that the manifesto is totally copied from Unabomber one.
Unabomber = 57 pages.
This one = 1500 pages.
Ok.[/quote]
The media coverage of this is a clusterfuck, as must be expected. I read through the .pdf yesterday, and the media’s take on it today is so off base it makes it sound like we’ve read different files. Like you say, they find a few copied paragraphs, and say the whole thing is plagiarism when the man states he uses several other sources than himself to compile the 770 000 word document.I am not defending him or his work, but the people’s right to be informed, not misinformed and misled.[/quote]
Yeah but, how it’s possible that these guys are paid for this and are giving so wrong information? The document is available for everyone. I’ve spent some hours reading it myself and press is saying total non-sense. As you said, like if they had read a totally different thing.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
Spanish press is reporting that the manifesto is totally copied from Unabomber one.
Unabomber = 57 pages.
This one = 1500 pages.
Ok.[/quote]
The media coverage of this is a clusterfuck, as must be expected. I read through the .pdf yesterday, and the media’s take on it today is so off base it makes it sound like we’ve read different files. Like you say, they find a few copied paragraphs, and say the whole thing is plagiarism when the man states he uses several other sources than himself to compile the 770 000 word document.I am not defending him or his work, but the people’s right to be informed, not misinformed and misled.[/quote]
Yeah but, how it’s possible that these guys are paid for this and are giving so wrong information? The document is available for everyone. I’ve spent some hours reading it myself and press is saying total non-sense. As you said, like if they had read a totally different thing.
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Biased media they always do this
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
Spanish press is reporting that the manifesto is totally copied from Unabomber one.
Unabomber = 57 pages.
This one = 1500 pages.
Ok.[/quote]
The media coverage of this is a clusterfuck, as must be expected. I read through the .pdf yesterday, and the media’s take on it today is so off base it makes it sound like we’ve read different files. Like you say, they find a few copied paragraphs, and say the whole thing is plagiarism when the man states he uses several other sources than himself to compile the 770 000 word document.I am not defending him or his work, but the people’s right to be informed, not misinformed and misled.[/quote]
Yeah but, how it’s possible that these guys are paid for this and are giving so wrong information? The document is available for everyone. I’ve spent some hours reading it myself and press is saying total non-sense. As you said, like if they had read a totally different thing.
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Biased media they always do this[/quote]
Giving biased information is “ok”, but giving totally wrong information is unacceptable. It’s plain laziness and rush from the internet era. “Let’s publish news before anyone else, no need to review them”.
it has begun, my mother and her friends were talking bout how he played those video games…
[quote]Edevus wrote:
Spanish press is reporting that the manifesto is totally copied from Unabomber one.
Unabomber = 57 pages.
This one = 1500 pages.
Ok.[/quote]
I didn’t say he took everything from the Unabomber, it’s also a lot of stuff he just got of wikipedia. Some of the stuff is just parts of real historians work. also he stole a lot from a norwegian blogger, and other blog’s and ofcours pseudo historians.
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
it has begun, my mother and her friends were talking bout how he played those video games… [/quote]
Has teh roids been blamed yet?
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
Spanish press is reporting that the manifesto is totally copied from Unabomber one.
Unabomber = 57 pages.
This one = 1500 pages.
Ok.[/quote]
The media coverage of this is a clusterfuck, as must be expected. I read through the .pdf yesterday, and the media’s take on it today is so off base it makes it sound like we’ve read different files. Like you say, they find a few copied paragraphs, and say the whole thing is plagiarism when the man states he uses several other sources than himself to compile the 770 000 word document.I am not defending him or his work, but the people’s right to be informed, not misinformed and misled.[/quote]
Yeah but, how it’s possible that these guys are paid for this and are giving so wrong information? The document is available for everyone. I’ve spent some hours reading it myself and press is saying total non-sense. As you said, like if they had read a totally different thing.
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Biased media they always do this[/quote]
Giving biased information is “ok”, but giving totally wrong information is unacceptable. It’s plain laziness and rush from the internet era. “Let’s publish news before anyone else, no need to review them”.[/quote]
Yep. With all the major newspapers competing to be first with the new headline, things are rushed, and they blatantly make things up to have something to write. I wrote all the major news stations here, and the Prime Minster, urging them to show some sense and consideration for the people who have to read what they write and base their view 100% on that - at least the Prime Minister has been exemplary for the most part in urging moderation, calm and togetherness.
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
it has begun, my mother and her friends were talking bout how he played those video games… [/quote]
Has teh roids been blamed yet?[/quote]
Of course not! He was a CONSERVATIVE! It was his conservatism that drove him to this act. The fact that he’s obviously been stark raving mad for the last 9 years(length of planning and manifesto authoring), lives in a Walty Mitty world where he thinks he’s a crusading knight from a high secret order, takes steroids and spends hours lining up his sights on peoples’ heads on his computer monitor then watching the heads explode in a scarlet gushing of gore has nothing to do with it. It’s the CONSERVATIVE sentiments he held that are to blame.