NHL Combine (Bench Press) Numbers

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[quote]StevenF wrote:
Eric Cressey wrote:
Sean Skahan - strength coach for the Anaheim Ducks - is a good friend of mine. We had dinner together about two months ago when he was here in Boston, and one of the things we discussed was that the only guys who test extremely well on most of these traditional measures are the fighters.

Believe it or not, the single-best predictor of NHL success continues to be body fat percentage.

Of course, getting stronger is never going to hurt. :wink:

Thank you for shutting this ignorant fool up. [/quote]

steven f, you can’t argue that 155 lbs ten times at the MAX isn’t weak.

what was average? 5 reps? come on. what are you defending? the entire sport of hockey? are you indignant over the sport, the lack of weight or what?

that weight is weak. you know it.

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I wonder if these numbers are accurate.

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[quote]vision1 wrote:
texasguy wrote:
everyone seems to think their favorite sport is the toughest and i’m sorry but hiding behind more pads than a football player, skating in circles with the occasional “body check” (a very low impact collision for the most part, especially with the pads) does not make a guy tough.

very low impact collisions? You must have no idea how fast these guys are moving when they collide.

And you can’t compare hockey equipment to football equipment. Hockey shoulder pads are smaller. Elbow pads, shin pads, and gloves protect mostly from falling on the ice, sticks, pucks, and being pinched between the board. None of the equipment (other than the mouthguard) stop your insides from feeling terrible after a collision.[/quote]

When comparing NHL players to other pro sports they are, on solid ground, by far the weakest, slowest, least powerful. Many are either extremely well coordinated or um, tough. And they are incredible at skating. What these athletes do is not on solid ground. This does make a huge difference. Being able to power clean or squat or bench does not translate to the game like it does with other sports.

Mike Boyle once told us in class that hockey players were the most fit athletes he has seen. This is definitely a bias since he trains them.

If Allen Iverson wanted to play hockey he would with 2 years be a better player than Wayne Gretsky was at his prime.

Hockey players are the kids who couldnt play basketball or football and had wealthy parents to pay for their sport. They are the worst athletes.

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[quote]morr6120 wrote:
I can’t believe the ignorance of some of the people on this thread. Actually one person. Texasguy your a complete idiot. I don’t even know you and I hate everything about you.

Since when was bench press an important movement for a hockey player?

Players in the NFL and other sports put up ridiculous bench numbers. Your right. Its also applicable for the movements of their sports.

Have you ever played or watched hockey? The sport is incredibly violent, and it’s played by some of the toughest humans on earth.

I watch a wide variety of sports and it’s safe to say that hockey players may be the most agressive and toughest athletes. In no other classic sport (when I say classic I mean American Football, Basketball, Baseball) can a confrontation be settled right on the playing field through an actual fight.

Low Impact Collisons? Watch the next playoff game. You’ll see incredibly skilled athletes skating around the ice like Kamikazee’s trying to take eachothers heads off.

Pussies? If I’m not mistaken a couple of years ago Bob Probert (a NHL classic toughguy) took on three cops with cow tazers at a bar in Florida, witnesses said he held his own. Zdeno Chara could probably reverse curl 225 for 50.

Say what you want about a group of 17 year olds bench pressing, but don’t disrespect one of the greatest games on earth. If you actually take the time to watch hockey you’ll see what I’m talking about, and if you don’t you might have to redefine what you consider a “testosterone sport”

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“I can’t believe the ignorance of some of the people on this thread. Actually one person. Texasguy your a complete idiot. I don’t even know you and I hate everything about you.”

you sound like your 13 year old school girl.

and your rant is pointless.

the point of the thread is to illuminate the suprisingly low bench press numbers.

and they are suprisingly low for a proffessional athlete.

nobody cares about the nature of hockey except the people taking personal offense to the fact that benching 150 lbs only 11 times or less is weak. very weak.

that is all the thread is about. so unwad your panties, pull your head out of your ass, come to terms with the fact that the hockey players mentioned have weak upper bodies and welcome to the thread!

but, to follow your rant, hockey sucks. it has a hand full of real athletes, but in general they are weenies who can ice skate well. not very cool.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
vision1 wrote:
texasguy wrote:
everyone seems to think their favorite sport is the toughest and i’m sorry but hiding behind more pads than a football player, skating in circles with the occasional “body check” (a very low impact collision for the most part, especially with the pads) does not make a guy tough.

very low impact collisions? You must have no idea how fast these guys are moving when they collide.

And you can’t compare hockey equipment to football equipment. Hockey shoulder pads are smaller. Elbow pads, shin pads, and gloves protect mostly from falling on the ice, sticks, pucks, and being pinched between the board. None of the equipment (other than the mouthguard) stop your insides from feeling terrible after a collision.

When comparing NHL players to other pro sports they are, on solid ground, by far the weakest, slowest, least powerful. Many are either extremely well coordinated or um, tough. And they are incredible at skating. What these athletes do is not on solid ground. This does make a huge difference. Being able to power clean or squat or bench does not translate to the game like it does with other sports.

Mike Boyle once told us in class that hockey players were the most fit athletes he has seen. This is definitely a bias since he trains them.

If Allen Iverson wanted to play hockey he would with 2 years be a better player than Wayne Gretsky was at his prime.

Hockey players are the kids who couldnt play basketball or football and had wealthy parents to pay for their sport. They are the worst athletes.

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exactly.

and the point is that 150 lbs for 11 reps or less is weak.

and i think we all have to agree to that.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
steven f, you can’t argue that 155 lbs ten times at the MAX isn’t weak.

what was average? 5 reps? come on. what are you defending? the entire sport of hockey? are you indignant over the sport, the lack of weight or what?

that weight is weak. you know it. [/quote]

The issue wasn’t the bench press, it’s you talking down about the sport.

Yes the weight is weak, yes they’re still the most talented players in the world at their age group. No, the bench press is not a good indicator of success at the NHL level. If that’s all you said there would be no argument.

You ended up spiraling the discussion to the use of hockey equipment, and countless other things that are irrelevant to the point you were “trying” to make. If you think hockey players aren’t tough, or that hockey is an easy sport, you can start a new thread and talk about it there.

Don’t try and dangle your way through this by throwing out 1,000,000 different arguments, although I doubt you could stick handle out of a wet paper bag.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
If Allen Iverson wanted to play hockey he would with 2 years be a better player than Wayne Gretsky was at his prime.
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I don’t know much about iverson, but there’s a lot to learn playing hockey. It’s far from easy.

This isn’t true in most areas. Especially, Michigan, Minnesota, New England, and Canada. The players who are any good usually have played their whole lives, because they love the game, not because they failed at another sport.

However— I’m not sure how many athletes in other professional sports have played hockey, but I imagine that if any greatly genetically gifted athlete grew up playing hockey AND some other major sport, he would likely be much higher on the totem-pole for hockey than baseball/football/soccer. (an exception to this rule is Chris Hetherington, former player for the raiders, went to the same high school as me. He came to play hockey, but never made varsity hockey because he didn’t have the talent. He was great at football obviously…)

Also keep in mind these kids SHOULD be spending a lot more time on the ice than in the weight room because it’s going to do a heck of a lot more for them to become a better player than to become a stronger player in 90% of cases (although doing both is wonderful too!)

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[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
texasguy wrote:
steven f, you can’t argue that 155 lbs ten times at the MAX isn’t weak.

what was average? 5 reps? come on. what are you defending? the entire sport of hockey? are you indignant over the sport, the lack of weight or what?

that weight is weak. you know it.

The issue wasn’t the bench press, it’s you talking down about the sport.

Yes the weight is weak, yes they’re still the most talented players in the world at their age group. No, the bench press is not a good indicator of success at the NHL level. If that’s all you said there would be no argument.

You ended up spiraling the discussion to the use of hockey equipment, and countless other things that are irrelevant to the point you were “trying” to make. If you think hockey players aren’t tough, or that hockey is an easy sport, you can start a new thread and talk about it there.

Don’t try and dangle your way through this by throwing out 1,000,000 different arguments, although I doubt you could stick handle out of a wet paper bag.[/quote]

nah, i was making fun of the weak numbers.

max came out with the “i hope you wouldn’t be stupid enough to mess with a hockey player bit” which took the conversation in a new direction.

then the worms came out highly offended that the athletes in their favorite sport are big pussies. sorry.

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texasguy,

Ok, so you must be from Texas which means you are ignorant about hockey like I was. I’m from Oklahoma and didn’t have a clue about the game. I went to college at Michigan State to play football. I became good friends with a lot guys on the hockey team.

All I can say about these guys is they are nuts and tough as nails. I’ve seen 200lbs. hockey players beat the shit out of 300lbs. lineman. They are just freaking crazy and don’t stop.

And as far as the low impact collisions, a tight end on our team had played also played hockey his whole life and also played a year in juniors in Candada before coming to MSU. He said he had been hit so much harder in hockey than in football.

Simple physics will tell you that a 200lb guy on skate can move faster and create far more force than someone running.

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[quote]Max wrote:
texasguy,

Ok, so you must be from Texas which means you are ignorant about hockey like I was. I’m from Oklahoma and didn’t have a clue about the game. I went to college at Michigan State to play football. I became good friends with a lot guys on the hockey team.

All I can say about these guys is they are nuts and tough as nails. I’ve seen 200lbs. hockey players beat the shit out of 300lbs. lineman. They are just freaking crazy and don’t stop.

And as far as the low impact collisions, a tight end on our team had played also played hockey his whole life and also played a year in juniors in Candada before coming to MSU. He said he had been hit so much harder in hockey than in football.

Simple physics will tell you that a 200lb guy on skate can move faster and create far more force than someone running.[/quote]

physics would tell you that, but then they also have to build momentum and that rarely happens. they are all moving quickly and the guy that gets hit rarely takes the whole brunt of the attack.

i am from texas, but i wouldn’t consider myself ignorant about hockey. i went to a suburban school with lots of funding and we had odd sports for a texas school, including ice hockey, lacrosse and a few others.

the hockey and lacrosse players were indeed the kids who couldn’t hack it in other sports. hockey isn’t as big here as else where, but they looked like pussies to me and these poor bench numbers reinforce that. a few exceptions don’t make the rule.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
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If Allen Iverson wanted to play hockey he would with 2 years be a better player than Wayne Gretsky was at his prime.
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Utter bullshit.

More bullshit.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
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the hockey and lacrosse players were indeed the kids who couldn’t hack it in other sports. hockey isn’t as big here as else where, but they looked like pussies to me and these poor bench numbers reinforce that. a few exceptions don’t make the rule. [/quote]

What the hell do you know about hockey in Texas? Move to the northeast and you will see real athletes playing hockey and lax and not just the scrubs.

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Some of these guys don’t look like pussies to me.

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Another pussy

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This guy was a huge pussy

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Two Pussies here

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More pussiness

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Another

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More

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Heres a low impact hit for ya