More pussies
and more
another soft hit
one more pussy for ya
And lets not forget the Hanson Bros
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
texasguy wrote:
the hockey and lacrosse players were indeed the kids who couldn’t hack it in other sports.[/quote]
I am sure that is the case … in Texas.
My fellow americans have a tendency to forget that football is a strictly american sport. Baseball is pretty much limited to the US, South/Central America, and the Pacific Rim. Of the ‘Big Three’ American sports, basketball is the only one that is truly global.
Meanwhile, Hockey is pretty much played in every nation north of the 40th parallel, and is the primary sport in Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, and most of the former Soviet countries. The best athletes in those countries all play hockey and have never stepped foot on a gridiron or baseball diamond.
Their bench numbers definitely are weak…even for highschool kids. I mean, one of them was 225lbs and only put it up 11 times, and there’s a good chance he wasn’t a flubbery 225. That said, it’s an irrelevant motion for hockey players, and if a player were to do it, chances are there’d be a cross-checking call.
Any comments about the lack of skill and athleticism are simply wrong. I guess they could be right if your state’s hockey talent pool is diluted due to lack of interest, but it would really only hold true in your sheltered, little bubble.
Also, high speeds are frequently achieved and high energy collisions happen all the time.
I’d rather be tackled on relatively soft astroturf before getting creamed into solid boards.
As Dale Carnegie said: “You can’t win an argument”. Therefore, you guys are wasting your time. Nobody is right and nobody is wrong. Just listen to what the other has to say and keep an open mind.
What I think is that Texasguy loves to know that he is stronger than a professional athlete who is going to make millions of dollars. It reassures him. It makes him feel better about himself.
He might be thinking: “Man, if I knew how to skate I’d be in the NHL right now making shitloads of money cuz I’m stronger than them.” Just knowing that he is better than an NHL player on one aspect destroys every bit of rational thinking he could have.
But hey, who never felt like that. I remember when I read Crosby’s benching numbers. It made me feel pretty damn good about myself.
I don’t think Texasguy hates hockey or doesn’t respect hockey players. He’s just a bit insecure!
Pat
Some great open ice hits in this one Scott Stevens Greatest Hits! - YouTube
Another good one - YouTube
One of my favs - YouTube
A couple more pussies Bob Probert vs. Marty McSorley - YouTube
More Wendel Clark vs. Bob Probert - YouTube you can see all that padding they wear at the end of this one
I know a few Canadians who don’t count bar weight on their numbers. Seems that is something they do up there.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:
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If Allen Iverson wanted to play hockey he would with 2 years be a better player than Wayne Gretsky was at his prime.
Utter bullshit.
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I’m not even sure what the arguement is on anymore because I responded to texas and hes right the question of skill isn’t the arguement hes commenting on the numbers of bench… thats cool he has his opinions.
But to say that AI could play hockey in 2 years and be better than WG… come on
[quote]Ike wrote:
I know a few Canadians who don’t count bar weight on their numbers. Seems that is something they do up there.[/quote]
So your trying to say they used 195?
I doubt this
I heard from one of the guys there, that they had the cadence set for them too, like 2 seconds hold at the top and two seconds hold at the bottom. Doesn’t make them any stronger, but does make the lift more difficult.
Comparing these numbers to NFL is stupid. In football, the strongest, fastest, biggest players are usually the most dominant. This isn’t the case with hockey. There are very strong people playing hockey, but there numbers aren’t shown because they aren’t top NHL prospects.
[quote]texasguy wrote:
but ok fine. forget golf and tennis. hockey is on a level with soccer. except soccer players only pad their shins and very thinly, so hockey is actually a step behind.
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That ice thing they play on is pretty hard. Perhaps that might be the reason for the padding!?!?!?!
It’s true that the numbers reported are laughable, but I’d still take any guy with skill over a guy with strength. Especially if the strength isn’t that transferrable to the game.
Yea, those numbers suck. Four things to keep in mind:
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Hockey players have 12 weeks a year of off season training. Sometimes they have more, but they always have 2 or 3 rookie camps to go to when they’re young.
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These are 17 or 18 year old kids. They probably have about a year of aggregate weight training experience since some coaches don’t want their kids to weight train during the season (dumb, I know).
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Football players realized the benefits of weight training several years before other sports have. Weight training is widely accepted and has been for well over 25 years. Weight training in other sports only began to see acceptance within the past 15 years it seems.
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The bench press isn’t that important compared to leg power.
Finally, when I asked CT a couple years ago what his hockey players lift, he responded:
"They don’t max out, the lower they go as far as reps is 3. I’ve had a few players power clean (from hang) over 265lbs x 3, two cleaned 315lbs x 3.
Most can squat in the 385-455lbs range for 3 (full squat) with a best of 565 x 3 and deadlift in the 400-500lbs range, although I had one deadlift over 600lbs.
The bench press is generally a bit weaker because we don’t emphasise it too much. Most will do between 275-325 x 3."
Respectable numbers, aside from the bench. But this also reinforces that the bench isn’t that important in hockey.