[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I think Elway is in the top 5 GOAT
No order
Staubach
Aikman
Montana
Elway
Brady[/quote]
Elway is the GOAT. All you Montana lovers need to look at the teams Montana took to the superbowl vs the teams Elway took. Montana had legendary teams, Elway had scraps. Scraps plus Terrell Davis for the championships.
I say this having grown up a Montana fan and hating Elway. At some point though, you just have to step back and judge objectively. When you do that, Elway is the GOAT[/quote]
Bullshit. Elway played on a lot of teams with really good defenses too. And he played with one less Hall of Famer than Montana did so I don’t think that it’s accurate to say that Elway played on piss-poor teams while Montana’s teams were stacked. Sure, Montana played on teams with a higher overall talent level. But guess who was the best player hands down on those teams? Montana.
And maybe Montana’s teams seemed stacked, especially on offense, because he made the players around him much better. Name one offensive player, just ONE player who played with Montana and went on to have better seasons away from SF than he did in SF. There aren’t any. Everyone who played on the offensive side of the ball for the 49ers during Montana’s career enjoyed the best seasons of their career in SF. Even Russ Francis and Freddie Solomon had some of their best years later in their career playing with Montana.
Besides all that, I challenge you to watch Elway’s embarrassingly pathetic performance in the Super Bowl after the 1989 season and tell me he was better than Montana. Watch that game, front to back, and then come back here and try and make that argument with a straight face. Montana put 55 points on the board against the NFL’s top defense that year while Elway struggled to complete any passes at all in the first half. His longest pass was a little shovel pass that traveled about a yard before the RB took it another 28 yards on his own.
Elway looked rattled, not sure of himself and over-anxious, whereas Montana looked like he’s been there before, because he had three times already and had just led one of the great come-from-behind, last-minute drives of all-time to win the previous Super Bowl.
And since they ALL play to win the Super Bowl and whoever wins the Super Bowl is considered the greatest team that year, it’s only appropriate to place extra import on the performance of players in that game, especially the QB. And Elway simply played like shit in 3 of the 5 Super Bowls he played in and truth be told, he wasn’t even the best player on offense the two times he did win a ring. Can’t ever say that about Montana. He was always the best player on the field for either team when he played, including the seasons he spent with Jerry Rice.[/quote]
All QB’s get rattled when they’re getting pounded even Elway and Montana. You can’t use one game as an example of why Elway wasn’t as good when he was going up against a way better team.
Montana might not have been the best player on all those SB teams. The back up QB might have been better. There were QB controversy seasons in SF where a lot of people wanted young in there. But you know who didn’t want young in there? Coaches for other teams. They didn’t want to have to deal with Young. I’m not really saying young was better. My point is there were some down years when JM didn’t seam so great and that was whole seasons not just one game.
People put on their rose tinted glasses for Montana more than they do any other past QB. I don’t blame you for it DB, you were a little kid at the time and you are still on the Peninsula. How could you think differently? I was a little older at the time (17 for the first SB) and I’ve been away from the Peninsula for over 20 years. It’s much easier for me to be objective.