Notable Patriots Players (ones that you didn’t mention, off the top of my head) from their Super Bowl wins…
Richard seymore, Teddy bruski, Rodney Harrison, Adam Vinitiari, Vince Wilfork, Matt Light, Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law, Mike Vrabal.
(Spelling is probably way off on a lot of those names. Also I am far from a patriots fan and was rooting against them in every one of their Super Bowl appearances)
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I think Elway is in the top 5 GOAT
No order
Staubach
Aikman
Montana
Elway
Brady[/quote]
Elway is the GOAT. All you Montana lovers need to look at the teams Montana took to the superbowl vs the teams Elway took. Montana had legendary teams, Elway had scraps. Scraps plus Terrell Davis for the championships.
I say this having grown up a Montana fan and hating Elway. At some point though, you just have to step back and judge objectively. When you do that, Elway is the GOAT[/quote]
Bullshit. Elway played on a lot of teams with really good defenses too. And he played with one less Hall of Famer than Montana did so I don’t think that it’s accurate to say that Elway played on piss-poor teams while Montana’s teams were stacked. Sure, Montana played on teams with a higher overall talent level. But guess who was the best player hands down on those teams? Montana.
And maybe Montana’s teams seemed stacked, especially on offense, because he made the players around him much better. Name one offensive player, just ONE player who played with Montana and went on to have better seasons away from SF than he did in SF. There aren’t any. Everyone who played on the offensive side of the ball for the 49ers during Montana’s career enjoyed the best seasons of their career in SF. Even Russ Francis and Freddie Solomon had some of their best years later in their career playing with Montana.
Besides all that, I challenge you to watch Elway’s embarrassingly pathetic performance in the Super Bowl after the 1989 season and tell me he was better than Montana. Watch that game, front to back, and then come back here and try and make that argument with a straight face. Montana put 55 points on the board against the NFL’s top defense that year while Elway struggled to complete any passes at all in the first half. His longest pass was a little shovel pass that traveled about a yard before the RB took it another 28 yards on his own.
Elway looked rattled, not sure of himself and over-anxious, whereas Montana looked like he’s been there before, because he had three times already and had just led one of the great come-from-behind, last-minute drives of all-time to win the previous Super Bowl.
And since they ALL play to win the Super Bowl and whoever wins the Super Bowl is considered the greatest team that year, it’s only appropriate to place extra import on the performance of players in that game, especially the QB. And Elway simply played like shit in 3 of the 5 Super Bowls he played in and truth be told, he wasn’t even the best player on offense the two times he did win a ring. Can’t ever say that about Montana. He was always the best player on the field for either team when he played, including the seasons he spent with Jerry Rice.[/quote]
All QB’s get rattled when they’re getting pounded even Elway and Montana. You can’t use one game as an example of why Elway wasn’t as good when he was going up against a way better team.
Montana might not have been the best player on all those SB teams. The back up QB might have been better. There were QB controversy seasons in SF where a lot of people wanted young in there. But you know who didn’t want young in there? Coaches for other teams. They didn’t want to have to deal with Young. I’m not really saying young was better. My point is there were some down years when JM didn’t seam so great and that was whole seasons not just one game.
People put on their rose tinted glasses for Montana more than they do any other past QB. I don’t blame you for it DB, you were a little kid at the time and you are still on the Peninsula. How could you think differently? I was a little older at the time (17 for the first SB) and I’ve been away from the Peninsula for over 20 years. It’s much easier for me to be objective.[/quote]
I’m a big fan of Steve Young, but he wasn’t ready to take over for the 49ers back then. He had to learn to be a passer first.
Jimmy Johnson said that if Joe Montana trotted out for that first NFC Championship game, we would have lost. My players would have been intimidated by Montana. With Young as the starter, we knew we could win.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I think Elway is in the top 5 GOAT
No order
Staubach
Aikman
Montana
Elway
Brady[/quote]
Elway is the GOAT. All you Montana lovers need to look at the teams Montana took to the superbowl vs the teams Elway took. Montana had legendary teams, Elway had scraps. Scraps plus Terrell Davis for the championships.
I say this having grown up a Montana fan and hating Elway. At some point though, you just have to step back and judge objectively. When you do that, Elway is the GOAT[/quote]
Bullshit. Elway played on a lot of teams with really good defenses too. And he played with one less Hall of Famer than Montana did so I don’t think that it’s accurate to say that Elway played on piss-poor teams while Montana’s teams were stacked. Sure, Montana played on teams with a higher overall talent level. But guess who was the best player hands down on those teams? Montana.
And maybe Montana’s teams seemed stacked, especially on offense, because he made the players around him much better. Name one offensive player, just ONE player who played with Montana and went on to have better seasons away from SF than he did in SF. There aren’t any. Everyone who played on the offensive side of the ball for the 49ers during Montana’s career enjoyed the best seasons of their career in SF. Even Russ Francis and Freddie Solomon had some of their best years later in their career playing with Montana.
Besides all that, I challenge you to watch Elway’s embarrassingly pathetic performance in the Super Bowl after the 1989 season and tell me he was better than Montana. Watch that game, front to back, and then come back here and try and make that argument with a straight face. Montana put 55 points on the board against the NFL’s top defense that year while Elway struggled to complete any passes at all in the first half. His longest pass was a little shovel pass that traveled about a yard before the RB took it another 28 yards on his own.
Elway looked rattled, not sure of himself and over-anxious, whereas Montana looked like he’s been there before, because he had three times already and had just led one of the great come-from-behind, last-minute drives of all-time to win the previous Super Bowl.
And since they ALL play to win the Super Bowl and whoever wins the Super Bowl is considered the greatest team that year, it’s only appropriate to place extra import on the performance of players in that game, especially the QB. And Elway simply played like shit in 3 of the 5 Super Bowls he played in and truth be told, he wasn’t even the best player on offense the two times he did win a ring. Can’t ever say that about Montana. He was always the best player on the field for either team when he played, including the seasons he spent with Jerry Rice.[/quote]
All QB’s get rattled when they’re getting pounded even Elway and Montana. You can’t use one game as an example of why Elway wasn’t as good when he was going up against a way better team.
Montana might not have been the best player on all those SB teams. The back up QB might have been better. There were QB controversy seasons in SF where a lot of people wanted young in there. But you know who didn’t want young in there? Coaches for other teams. They didn’t want to have to deal with Young. I’m not really saying young was better. My point is there were some down years when JM didn’t seam so great and that was whole seasons not just one game.
People put on their rose tinted glasses for Montana more than they do any other past QB. I don’t blame you for it DB, you were a little kid at the time and you are still on the Peninsula. How could you think differently? I was a little older at the time (17 for the first SB) and I’ve been away from the Peninsula for over 20 years. It’s much easier for me to be objective.[/quote]
Elway wasn’t getting pounded in that Super Bowl. He had time to throw and he was making horrible throws. He had time to make decisions and they were horrible ones. It’s not like the Broncos lost that game despite Elway’s performance. They lost BECAUSE of Elway’s performance. He couldn’t get anything going and while 55 points is hard to overcome, if he could have strung together even TWO first downs in a row (which I’m not sure he did the entire first half) he might have given the team a chance to win. But when the offense can’t stay on the field for more than three consecutive plays it’s hard to win, period.
Montana never had a poor season once he became a starter, EVER. He had a couple games where he played poorly and was also coming back from some bad injuries. Young was put in and played very well. Shit, Montana was even benched during their horrific first-round playoff loss to the Vikings in 1987. But we’re talking about a two-year window here. 1987 and 1988 were the two years where Young was threatening Montana’s playing time. And how did Montana respond to that? How did Montana respond to playing on perhaps the worst team he’d been on with the Niners in 1988? HE WON THE FUCKING SUPER BOWL WITH, AT THE TIME, THE GREATEST SINGLE CLUTCH PERFORMANCE WITH EVERYTHING ON THE LINE!!! He took the team to the playoffs and then rolled up the Bears in the Championship Game in Soldier Field by a score of 28-3, in MINUS 20 DEGREE WEATHER, and then beat one of the dominant defenses in football that year in Cincy with a drive for the ages. Vintage Montana, hitting the open receivers in stride with pinpoint accuracy, never rattling under pressure, making all the right reads and throws, etc. etc.
So sure, there was a short period in his illustrious career where there were some question marks there. But keep in mind what kind of question marks they were. These weren’t Tony Romo-type question marks. They almost exclusively surrounded Montana’s health, not his ability to win. EVERYONE knew, especially opposing defenses, that if Montana was healthy he was the best QB in the league, way, way better than Steve Young ever was. I love Steve Young, but that guy couldn’t hold Montana’s fucking jock strap. Montana NEVER lost more than two games in a row, EVER, in his ENTIRE CAREER with the 49ers. Think about that for a second. He never lost three straight games in his entire professional career in SF between 1979 and 1990. That is an amazing statistic. So let’s keep it in perspective when we say that Montana was under pressure and might not have even been the best QB on his team. That is a laughable statement that no 49ers fan who watched both of them play would ever endorse. At the time? Sure, just like there were people who thought Alex Smith was a better choice to lead the Niners this year than Colin Kaepernick.
But those people were CLEARLY wrong on all counts with that QB controversy, just like those who said Young was better were wrong. Montana was better than Elway, he played INFINITELY better in the bigger games and he was the motherfucking MAN.
Show of hands, who watched the Pro-Bowl?
Mine is not raised.
[quote]red04 wrote:
Show of hands, who watched the Pro-Bowl?
Mine is not raised.[/quote]
Your avatar disagrees.
[quote]red04 wrote:
Show of hands, who watched the Pro-Bowl?
Mine is not raised.[/quote]
Probowl was actually pretty good this year. Not as atrocious as last year. And my boy Russell Wilson played very well. I was kinda surprised he didn’t get MVP.
[quote]red04 wrote:
Show of hands, who watched the Pro-Bowl?
Mine is not raised.[/quote]
I saw a little. But, no I was not ‘into it’. It was football to watch for lack of anything else.
Avatar bet anyone? Anyone?
I’ll take the Niners against an avatar for a month.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Avatar bet anyone? Anyone?
I’ll take the Niners against an avatar for a month.[/quote]
Na playmaker, I think you need to get as much mileage out of your current leather-daddy smoldering avatar as you can.
Plus, I like SF in this contest, which I outlined a page or so ago that NO ONE BOTHERED TO READ APPARENTLY SINCE HERE I AM CHECKING UP ON WHO QUOTED MY GENIUS ONLY TO FIND THAT NO ONE HAS THUS I CAN’T BE VALIDATED AS A SMART MAN WHICH BY THE WAY I REQUIRE.
^^lol
I didn’t see your post but ill go read it. How does that sound Brad?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Avatar bet anyone? Anyone?
I’ll take the Niners against an avatar for a month.[/quote]
That is a suckers bet. Seeing as I would be a grand richer had I laid the $ down I wanted to on the Championship games, and my gut would tell me to let it ride on the 9ers moneyline… Tells me suckers bet.
Unless Kapernick comes back down to Earth, the 9ers are going to be too much for that D. And I don’t see any reason for him to come back down.
I had a dream last night that SF won 41-17 (I think)
Kap was the MVP after throwing for 270ish yds 2 TD’s and rushing for 120ish yds and 2 TD’s.
It was a good dream.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Avatar bet anyone? Anyone?
I’ll take the Niners against an avatar for a month.[/quote]
Na playmaker, I think you need to get as much mileage out of your current leather-daddy smoldering avatar as you can.
Plus, I like SF in this contest, which I outlined a page or so ago that NO ONE BOTHERED TO READ APPARENTLY SINCE HERE I AM CHECKING UP ON WHO QUOTED MY GENIUS ONLY TO FIND THAT NO ONE HAS THUS I CAN’T BE VALIDATED AS A SMART MAN WHICH BY THE WAY I REQUIRE.
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lol! Show and tell day was big for you as a kid wasn’t it?
I can’t knock anything you wrote in your manifesto. Boldin is on a mission. Lee Evans will need to spend the rest of his life with his head on a swivel.
If it’s a close game at the end who do you like?
This could end up like the New England vs Carolina SB, nothing, nothing, nothing then WHAM! we got a game.
What are peoples plans for the Super Bowl?
Gregron and DB especially. Fans of teams in the big game always stand out at the party’s I’ve been to. Especially hardcore fans. The shit they take lol. I’m no where near a bar when Pittsburgh plays in the SB.
Me I’ll be in Cuba this year on my first resort trip. It’s going to be weird.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Things I believe are going to occur regarding this game.
Ummm yep. Definitely a physical game.
I don’t think Baltimore will stick with the run. They haven’t won in the play offs with that strategy. Rice gets less than 20 carries/80yards.
Of course they’ll game plan for the read option. Greenbay and Atlanta also game planned for it. That’s the point of the read option, don’t block the D End and react off of what he does. It’s a successful play if the QB makes the right decision. Attack te RB like Green Bay did and Kap runs. Stay back and hold the outside like Atlanta did, Gore/James eat you up inside. SF won’t start blocking the DE because that defeats the purpose of the “read” portion of the read option.
Agrees again. Both teams have Return TD potential. Whoever wins this battle has a big upper hand.
I doubt it. Flacco’s confidence hasn’t been the most unshakable in the past. Pulling him out for a series here and there will get him out of a rhythm and Baltimore needs the Flacco from the past 2 games if they want to win.
Agree. Both teams will try to take out the opposing QB. That’s how you win in the NFL.
Surprise surprise, agree again lol. One thing no one has really been talking about is Moss. This is his last chane at a ring too. I think he’ll have a couple of
Big catches, probably 4 for 60 yards and a TD. It’s also going to be important to see which 52 has a better game. The GOAT in his last Super Bowl appearance or the current best MLB in the game in his first. Good storyline.
[quote]
This championship is going to be earned, not given, and that’s good shit for this league.[/quote]
Both teams play smart, mistake free football and are well coached. This game will be taken by whoever executes the best… Which will be
San Francisco 
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
What are peoples plans for the Super Bowl?
Gregron and DB especially. Fans of teams in the big game always stand out at the party’s I’ve been to. Especially hardcore fans. The shit they take lol. I’m no where near a bar when Pittsburgh plays in the SB.
Me I’ll be in Cuba this year on my first resort trip. It’s going to be weird. [/quote]
I’m going back up home to a party that my brother is having. I think it’s going to be all SF fans so that’ll be nice haha. Ill be rocking my Aldon Smith jersey while the wife and our son wear their Pattrick Willis ones.
I still remember watching their last Super Bowl back when I was 12. I wore a Steve Young jersey tha I got for my birthday and my brother and I wrote"Go 49ers" on our cheeks with a red permanent marker.
That didn’t come off for a while lolol
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
What are peoples plans for the Super Bowl?
Gregron and DB especially. Fans of teams in the big game always stand out at the party’s I’ve been to. Especially hardcore fans. The shit they take lol. I’m no where near a bar when Pittsburgh plays in the SB.
Me I’ll be in Cuba this year on my first resort trip. It’s going to be weird. [/quote]
I’ll be heading down to the Bay Area for a huge party my family is having. We’ve had a big party at my uncle’ sheet metal shop every Niners Super Bowl. We roll all the big machines out of the way, invite about 150 people and rent a couple of the biggest TVs we can find, get a shitload of food together and watch the Niners win. This will be the sixth time we’ve done it. I don’t think there will be anyone there who isn’t a Niners fan. I’ll be gambling with my cousins on the result of every play.
Also, I think Ray Rice has the potential to have his biggest impact as a receiver coming out of the backfield. I think his matchup as a pass catcher against Willis and Navarro will be huge.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
What are peoples plans for the Super Bowl?
Gregron and DB especially. Fans of teams in the big game always stand out at the party’s I’ve been to. Especially hardcore fans. The shit they take lol. I’m no where near a bar when Pittsburgh plays in the SB.
Me I’ll be in Cuba this year on my first resort trip. It’s going to be weird. [/quote]
I’m going back up home to a party that my brother is having. I think it’s going to be all SF fans so that’ll be nice haha. Ill be rocking my Aldon Smith jersey while the wife and our son wear their Pattrick Willis ones.
I still remember watching their last Super Bowl back when I was 12. I wore a Steve Young jersey tha I got for my birthday and my brother and I wrote"Go 49ers" on our cheeks with a red permanent marker.
That didn’t come off for a while lolol [/quote]
FACE PAINTER!!!
It’s great you can watch the game with family all around.