Newbee and Ghrp-6

Pharma
141

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Guys, don’t forget the significant lag time between the gh pulse (in itself 20-30 minutes after injection of GHRP) and the liberation of FFA, which is roughly an hour.

So you need to wait about 75 minutes after a GHRP shot before doing your cardio. That’s why I would do my GHRP pre-training, since if you train for about 1 hour, the FFAs will be liberated, ready to utilise as post-workout energy and protect the muscles.

BBB[/quote]

Been following this thread and learning a lot. I have a question about this though. So if I do my cardio first thing in the morning and lift later in the day I should take my first dose in the morning 75 minutes before my cardio? I should also take my second dose prior to my weight workout or wait till after??

142

[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
I posted about fasting, but it looks like it was rejected. I don’t know how anyone trying to add muscle and gains would fast, unless maybe once a month or something. And I looked at the Lean Gains site. It is a kid who is a trainer, who is now “a consultant”…probably due to the fact that he bought a website and “consults” on that site. If he was a John Meadows, and had some clout, I would give him some respect. John just won the Ohio. He is a VAST source of info. But this is just a kid. A kid who is lean. I don’t know anyone like me ( an Ecto ) who’s goal it is to be lean. And once you are lean, like this kid, then how does fasting help you get bigger? Even if he was a BBB (hold your head, keep it from getting bigger) and training real lifters, and had post after post of all kinds of info…I would be more apt to believe him.
I’m sure BBB and Meadows are not mid twenties too… Sorry BBB…
I’m a Cert P Trainer, and I write comments on this thread. Am I a consultant? Not at all…[/quote]

I don’t mean to intrude but I came across this thread and I’m actually in the middle of a cleanse fast for 10 days. I’m on day 8 as of today and I’ve managed to lift just like I would if I weren’t fasting. It is mostly mind over matter and it gets hard especially at night but I feel great, I feel “clean” if that makes sense. I feel in control. I highly recommend it.

143

BTW…found this useful tool to ease some of the calculating.

144

fd,

Can you start a Thread on Fasting please? To me its foolish. Maybe you can get the kid who bot the
site to write in it for you. Best of luck to you with it. Martin has a ton of clients…WHO ? I have a ton of clients I work with during the year too. But most of them are very average people who will spend money on discretionary things like training, but that doesn’t make me qualified to write articles and
call myself a consultant?

Maybe it does. I consult on my Facebook site, when I write comments I guess.
Again, people will spend money on just about anything.
Tell me how this young kid Martin, and a John Meadows are alike again?

Start your own thread.

I didn’t title this thread “Newbie and Fasting.”

Ink,

BBB will no doubt answer you on the Cardio timing question. When you train, do dose after you are finished training. Set a timer for at least 20 minutes, then after it goes off, do your post shake, carbs, etc.
Seems to work well. With 100 mcg, you won’t notice the hunger. If you want hunger, do 300 or 400 post workout, and it will make you crazy hungry. Have food ready…and clean food ! :slight_smile:

BBB will also clear up that only 100-150 of the G 6 will do the work with the growth part. If you do 300-400, you will get the extra hunger, but you won’t, from what I have read in tons of places, get the extra growth pulse from the extra G 6. i.e. from a 400 dose you will get the effect of a 150 mcg dose in pulse, but the extra 250 will make you hungry. Get me? :slight_smile:

At this point, I am not completely certain I will be able to do 3 doses a day of 100, and still get good sleep. Working very slowly in that direction, but won’t be there for another week or so. And I will be fine with this stuff, until it interferes with my sleep. I have way too much going on in my world to not sleep. And this is only a hobby. My only hobby, but…just a hobby.

145

Simp,

I highly recommend fasting too occasionally. I agree, and said that above. Pick up a Bible later in the day on a fast day…the words practically jump off the page. It does feel good. I agree too.

But you don’t gain muscle fasting, long term. Unless you were 350 to begin with.

146

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Guys, don’t forget the significant lag time between the gh pulse (in itself 20-30 minutes after injection of GHRP) and the liberation of FFA, which is roughly an hour.

So you need to wait about 75 minutes after a GHRP shot before doing your cardio. That’s why I would do my GHRP pre-training, since if you train for about 1 hour, the FFAs will be liberated, ready to utilise as post-workout energy and protect the muscles.

BBB[/quote]

thank you!

you would not believe how long i have spent looking fr that exact information… now that i think about it, i probably could have found it at dat’s place in a couple mins :frowning:

147

[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
fd,

Can you start a Thread on Fasting please? To me its foolish. Maybe you can get the kid who bot the
site to write in it for you. Best of luck to you with it. Martin has a ton of clients…WHO ? I have a ton of clients I work with during the year too. But most of them are very average people who will spend money on discretionary things like training, but that doesn’t make me qualified to write articles and
call myself a consultant?

Maybe it does. I consult on my Facebook site, when I write comments I guess.
Again, people will spend money on just about anything.
Tell me how this young kid Martin, and a John Meadows are alike again?

Start your own thread.

I didn’t title this thread “Newbie and Fasting.”

Ink,

BBB will no doubt answer you on the Cardio timing question. When you train, do dose after you are finished training. Set a timer for at least 20 minutes, then after it goes off, do your post shake, carbs, etc.
Seems to work well. With 100 mcg, you won’t notice the hunger. If you want hunger, do 300 or 400 post workout, and it will make you crazy hungry. Have food ready…and clean food ! :slight_smile:

BBB will also clear up that only 100-150 of the G 6 will do the work with the growth part. If you do 300-400, you will get the extra hunger, but you won’t, from what I have read in tons of places, get the extra growth pulse from the extra G 6. i.e. from a 400 dose you will get the effect of a 150 mcg dose in pulse, but the extra 250 will make you hungry. Get me? :slight_smile:

At this point, I am not completely certain I will be able to do 3 doses a day of 100, and still get good sleep. Working very slowly in that direction, but won’t be there for another week or so. And I will be fine with this stuff, until it interferes with my sleep. I have way too much going on in my world to not sleep. And this is only a hobby. My only hobby, but…just a hobby.[/quote]

No offense, but you are a guy that is a personal trainer yet couldn’t get to 200+lbs without the use of a GHRP? And YOU want to talk about Martin lol! It is your fault that you can’t take information presented to you and draw your own conclusions, which is why your progress has probably been so lackluster. John Meadows seems like a nice guy, knowledgeable too, but so what? And this is not to diminish his results but he also uses aas, not that there is anything wrong with it but that contributes to why he is winning shows and is bigger than Martin. I didn’t tell you to purchase a diet from Martin, only to check out his website for information. And I’d venture to say that Martin has a more impressive physique than you as well (Naturally).

I have read a lot of people who have used martin’s approach or the warrior diet or even their own variation of fasting and most seem to love it. Unfortunately, you need to have an open mind and really want to put in the time to understand everything and learn the body. But hey, I think you have shown all of us that maybe the traditional way of doing things really is wrong or could be improved…

148

[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
Simp,

I highly recommend fasting too occasionally. I agree, and said that above. Pick up a Bible later in the day on a fast day…the words practically jump off the page. It does feel good. I agree too.

But you don’t gain muscle fasting, long term. Unless you were 350 to begin with.[/quote]

A completely incorrect blanket statement. I just reported gaining muscle while fasting, so it is possible and I didn’t start at 350. It is clear that you still don’t understand this whole thing.

149

fd,

You’re a joke without a punchline.

And it is clear you cannot read sir. It says way back in this that I gained all the 40 without GHRP. I am glad to be fodder for you so you can feel proud of yourself about something. I hope it made your day making jokes about me. If it helps you be happy in your life, God Bless you sir. Whatever I can do for you, as it is your world and I am only living in it. Look back and tell me what it says in my posts about starting g6 approximately…let me guess about Sept 15th or so. At least I know the day I ordered it…it was 9-11 to my best recollection. And I know you are a hater, and a doubter, but I do not have a copy of the recpt to post on here. I’m sorry. So I must be lying. Nope, look back and you can see from my posts and narrow it down to when I started g6. I got 202 the days just about when I started g6. I am not really even certain that g6 is something I am going to stay with, or that it is or has helped me.

Or did I? Can you show me where I said I gained all that with G6 and how well I have done since starting G 6?

Martin is probably a nice kid. But there are probably also 1000’s of nice kids out there that think they know what they are doing. Like you.
And you can read back on probably this page, that although I got 200, I am not big, by any means. I still see a skinny kid in the mirror, but one that is 47 now. And I look at your picture…what have you done? MY progress is lackluster? Mine?

You KEEP sayin, that a LOT of people follow Martin, are trained by him, and are just like you and fast and gain tons of muscle. Why don’t you go find their website? And post threads on it?
Get ahold of your idol, Martin, the Certified Trainer who is a Consultant, and ask him how many people he has trained, and how successful they have been. Then let’s go ask John Meadows the same question. I see a lot of John on this site, and I don’t know how many people follow him, but I would guess it is more than a few. I didn’t notice a huge following a young man Martin’s site. But that is just an observation, that’s all.

I can recommend a book. It’s called “It Came From Within.” It is a book every young man should read.
It helps with anger.

Again, I ask, could you please go start your own thread? Make it whatever you want, but could you?
And again, are you familiar with the phrase, “Not to hijack your thread, but…”

150

whoa… lol^

153

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]inkcreep wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Guys, don’t forget the significant lag time between the gh pulse (in itself 20-30 minutes after injection of GHRP) and the liberation of FFA, which is roughly an hour.

So you need to wait about 75 minutes after a GHRP shot before doing your cardio. That’s why I would do my GHRP pre-training, since if you train for about 1 hour, the FFAs will be liberated, ready to utilise as post-workout energy and protect the muscles.

BBB[/quote]

Been following this thread and learning a lot. I have a question about this though. So if I do my cardio first thing in the morning and lift later in the day I should take my first dose in the morning 75 minutes before my cardio? I should also take my second dose prior to my weight workout or wait till after??[/quote]

You are right about the am cardio thing.

Whether or not one should take their GHRPs pre or post workout, depends on the goal of that workout.

As stated above, I believe that to grow, one needs to hinder catabolism, by spiking insulin pre-workout with simple sugars. In this case, GHRPs are not needed pre-workout.

I also believe the most ‘effortless’ way to stay lean is to go carbless PWO. In this scenario GHRPs are warranted PWO IMO.

BBB[/quote]

Thanks for clearing that up BBB. Just to be 100% clear though in your last statement about going carbless PWO, you are referring to POST workout correct??

154

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I believe that to grow, one needs to hinder catabolism, by spiking insulin pre-workout with simple sugars
BBB[/quote]

so is there any special, per se, about using chocolate or just that it tastes good - lol

question though for max fat loss i was planning on taking doses 75 mins before AM cardio and about 60 mins before weights and just sip aminos during lifting… that sound ok to you given fat loss is number 1 priority?

156

So BBB, Both Cardio and to gain, you rec. GHRP POST workout for both, right? And the key to losing, or cutting is to NOT have Carbs post workout after the GHRP.

157

BBB I R R A S C I B L E. Irrascible? :slight_smile: That is the first time I have ever seen that word in my lift. You all over the pond are so much more proper. LOL.

I love the sentence, …

“the content of TXs’ post ia a little ambiguous - until you read it slowly and carefully, taking account of the punctuation.” Here and I thought everyone used punctuation and understood it. I’ll try to use shorter sentences with fewer words and less punctuation. :slight_smile:

LURX, Here is the label of the Hersheys bar. And BTW, I suggest if you buy a bag of Hershey bars that you keep them in a corner in the pantry, covered up. If I pull them out every other day, and my girls see me eating them, they will insist that they too are allowed to eat a few themselves. So I hide them completely…

The label:

And I eat 42 g of them, or 3 snack size bars… In that amount there is…

200 Kcal half from fat
12g Fat 8 g is Saturated fat. No trans fat
10 mg Cholorecterol
35 mg Sodium

25 G Total Carbs
24 G Sugar

3 G Protein.

I eat em for the Protein… LOL

But it doesn’t say that chocolate has Theobromine in it. Google it. It is a cousin to caffeine.
And either Theo, or chocolate, has the ability somehow to move NO2 into your muscles.

And it is the combo of choc bars and the 40 G Protein together that work so well for pre workout.

158

DREAMS on GHRP

I read and read that guys have really clear, sometimes wild, vivid, and solid dreams.

It is true for me. I am now, since Thursday, dosing twice a day. First is at wake up,

then the other is either post lift or sometime later in the day if not lifting. The

dreams I have are really interesting. The one this morning was about harvesting pizza

in long tracks that were like 3 feet long, the way they harvest sod. It was weird, but

I sleep pretty deep during these cycles. Stayed up kinda late trying to finish out the

Rangers rainout game last night, but when I got to sleep, I stayed asleep for about 7 hours.

160

@Tex

yeah i understand basic workout nutrition… insulin spike + protein = better anticatabolic/anabolic environment during training.

it’s just the initial post that BBB mentioned the choc bars + whey, he said something along the lines of that protocol being very financially important to him.

i was just curious as to WHY CHOCOLATE… and no i dont really believe the NO2 is what makes all the difference.