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[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]Lurxalot wrote:
question if any body knows

if max fat loss were the goal, would it be better to inject PRE workout assuming I wait 25-30 mins to start sipping on my aminos?[/quote]

No, if your goal is max fat loss the two best times would be right in the morning on an empty stomach and then do fasted cardio or post-workout. Take advantage of it’s ability to help you preserve muscle. [/quote]

well yes, i do pin first thing in the morning then do 30 mins fasted cardio but the whole point of doing cardio right after is bc th GH pulse frees up a lot of fatty acids…

so im just curious as to why it cant be done pre-WEIGHTS as well.

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Thanks fd,

I have used every carb you mentioned, except Dext. And they come in such big containers, I end up using one too long and should alternate between a couple of em. Right now I think I have Carbo gain from NOW foods…it is very inexpensive…and works pretty well.

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Interesting article on WMS. I have read that side, and the opposite side.

There is soooo much to it all, all the different supps out there. And to my suprise, I still talk to dozens of people at the gym who don’t use any form of Carbs pre or post. I had not even used Carbs in my post, until about 7 months ago. But I always had some milk, wheat germ, oats, or some form in my pre shake. Just new I would use it as fuel while working out. And beings I am an ectomorph, and pretty lean, I know that I burn up all the carbs I have while lifting…as I lift a little harder than the average dude in the gym. Much less a guy my age. I can actually tell about 45 minutes into lifting when I am about ready to be finished. And at that point I know I need to input some form of carbs for some immediate energy getting home and dealing with the kids…

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[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
Interesting article on WMS. I have read that side, and the opposite side.

There is soooo much to it all, all the different supps out there. And to my suprise, I still talk to dozens of people at the gym who don’t use any form of Carbs pre or post. I had not even used Carbs in my post, until about 7 months ago. But I always had some milk, wheat germ, oats, or some form in my pre shake. Just new I would use it as fuel while working out. And beings I am an ectomorph, and pretty lean, I know that I burn up all the carbs I have while lifting…as I lift a little harder than the average dude in the gym. Much less a guy my age. I can actually tell about 45 minutes into lifting when I am about ready to be finished. And at that point I know I need to input some form of carbs for some immediate energy getting home and dealing with the kids…[/quote]

My favorite post-workout carbs (when taking carbs pwo) honestly is cocoa pebbles, low fat, high sugar, I’ll have some whey and a bowl of cocoa pebbles. I loved this and anytime I do have carbs immediately post workout that is my choice. I saw better gains from that than any other waixy maize or overpriced supplement. I even used it while trying to diet down without any problems.

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[quote]Lurxalot wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]Lurxalot wrote:
question if any body knows

if max fat loss were the goal, would it be better to inject PRE workout assuming I wait 25-30 mins to start sipping on my aminos?[/quote]

No, if your goal is max fat loss the two best times would be right in the morning on an empty stomach and then do fasted cardio or post-workout. Take advantage of it’s ability to help you preserve muscle. [/quote]

well yes, i do pin first thing in the morning then do 30 mins fasted cardio but the whole point of doing cardio right after is bc th GH pulse frees up a lot of fatty acids…

so im just curious as to why it cant be done pre-WEIGHTS as well.[/quote]

I suppose you CAN but why? Wouldn’t you rather take advantage of the GH and igf spike after your workout? Especially if you aren’t going to immediately have carbs so you can preserve muscle and let the body wait in a highly insulin sensitive state for nutrients and use fatty acids for energy…

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[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:
I’m sticking with my 2 snickers pre workout, I’ll change it if/when it loses its effectiveness.

The only change I’ve made so far was one day when I felt particularly tired and peckish I ate 3 snickers and drank a sugary ‘rock-star energy’ drink on my way to the gym- now that was a good workout![/quote]

This makes sense, if something works then you have no reason to change it, especially if that includes eating something as fucking good as snickers lol!! [/quote]

Do you know the only problem I’ve had with this? I hadn’t actually eaten ‘real’ chocolate for over two years, so I’d forgotten what it really tasted like, which made chocolate protein bars taste real fucking good! Now, compared to a snickers (which is mediocre, I used to be a chocolate connoisseur) they just taste like shit!

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Hey fd,

I am in the midst of the 16 hour fast… For anyone else reading, a fast to me is when you go a complete day or several, without eating. This is simple, my example for you is that I ate dinner last night at 6:00 PM, then just have not eaten yet this morning. I will have my pre shake at 11:00 AM. I have to lift at 11:30 today due to my schedule, so this is like 17 hours.

But the point is mentally fasting is pretty difficult. But this is just eating dinner, then not eating until pre workout at 11:00 next morning. Not difficult at all. I had a cup of coffee at wake, then went in and trained clients for an hour, now at work. My head is clear, but your head gets really, really clear if you go a whole day.

If I didn’t eat at all, by 3:00 I would have overcome the urge to eat, and at that point the discipline in your mind really allows things to be very clear. But be real here, it’s a 4-5 hour fast. The rest of the time was post dinner, and sleeping…

But as I said, I am at 10:00 AM in “fast” and this is very easy. I won’t do it again for a while, I am just trying it to see how it works later in the day, and if it does a good job with muscle. The reason I won’t do it again for a while is that I got a synus infection last week, and havenot been in gym for 7 days. As a result, I lost TEN POUNDS!

The other thing…I did G 6 this morning, and have continued that each morning for 6 now…even with synus infection…don’t know if that has helped the weight loss…but today I did the 100 mcg at wake, and did not have any hunger to fight off 20 min later. Have not had that with the 100 mcg dose.

WIth higher dose, very prevalent! Also, also, after I lift I am doing a G6 dose post, then my post drink 20 min later. Then I go on the eat three times deal today after workout…which I would do anyway. I’m having lunch at 1:00 with Attila from Rxmuscle, then will eat again by 4:00, and again at dinner, and probably even again late evening.

Just trying to see how the “fast” thing affects everything. And today is a good day to do it.

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That’s hilarious budda ! I don’t ever eat protein bars, unless my wife makes em at home, or I get stuck and panic and need some protein…which is hardly ever. But I am with you, after a snickers the protein bars suck!!! My wife uses Vanilla protein powder and makes these protein balls (not Schweddy Balls, mind you) with peanut butter. They are awesome, and she makes a bunch each week. (that and she is hard boiling a dozen eggs each week, so I can just grab one whenever.

But just throw vanilla protein in with peanut butter, and you have the start of good stuff…maybe add some honey? Then she rolls them in cereal…and they are only the size of a half dollar.

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[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
Hey fd,

I am in the midst of the 16 hour fast… For anyone else reading, a fast to me is when you go a complete day or several, without eating. This is simple, my example for you is that I ate dinner last night at 6:00 PM, then just have not eaten yet this morning. I will have my pre shake at 11:00 AM. I have to lift at 11:30 today due to my schedule, so this is like 17 hours.

But the point is mentally fasting is pretty difficult. But this is just eating dinner, then not eating until pre workout at 11:00 next morning. Not difficult at all. I had a cup of coffee at wake, then went in and trained clients for an hour, now at work. My head is clear, but your head gets really, really clear if you go a whole day.

If I didn’t eat at all, by 3:00 I would have overcome the urge to eat, and at that point the discipline in your mind really allows things to be very clear. But be real here, it’s a 4-5 hour fast. The rest of the time was post dinner, and sleeping…

But as I said, I am at 10:00 AM in “fast” and this is very easy. I won’t do it again for a while, I am just trying it to see how it works later in the day, and if it does a good job with muscle. The reason I won’t do it again for a while is that I got a synus infection last week, and havenot been in gym for 7 days. As a result, I lost TEN POUNDS!

The other thing…I did G 6 this morning, and have continued that each morning for 6 now…even with synus infection…don’t know if that has helped the weight loss…but today I did the 100 mcg at wake, and did not have any hunger to fight off 20 min later. Have not had that with the 100 mcg dose.

WIth higher dose, very prevalent! Also, also, after I lift I am doing a G6 dose post, then my post drink 20 min later. Then I go on the eat three times deal today after workout…which I would do anyway. I’m having lunch at 1:00 with Attila from Rxmuscle, then will eat again by 4:00, and again at dinner, and probably even again late evening.

Just trying to see how the “fast” thing affects everything. And today is a good day to do it.[/quote]

I have found with IF that a lot of it is individualistic (as with any diet)…I sometimes include bcaas in my fast which I suppose no longer makes it a fast. For someone who wakes up at 6am to not eat until 1 would a solid 7 hour fast not including post dinner and sleeping. It is during that time that it is advisable to be active. You seem to be doing your own variation which is fine, just something to monitor and change based on your results. Not eating in the morning is simple but for me I was so used to immediately eating when I woke up and constantly refeeding every 2-3 hours that this was difficult for me at first. I changed to this approach because it is much easier for my schedule and allows me to enjoy a lot of foods I love and still maintain a relatively low bf. I imagine it would work even better if I was eating clean 100% of the time but since I have been able to eat a lot of cheat foods without gaining bf I will continue to do that as I love food!!

I have found my sweet spot so to speak. If I feel like I binged a lot on the weekend I will fast monday until 1pm and then have my meals until 9 or I will hit an early training session fasted then ingest bcaas and maintain fast until 1. I had to stop doing it everyday because no matter how much I was eating at night I was losing weight quickly and really was only looking to recomp. If I maybe want to maintain or possibly gain, I will fast for the first 3-4 hours of the day then have 30g protein and almonds 2-3 times up until I train which afterwards I have pretty much one huge meal. I have found that my insulin sensitivity has improved dramatically, there are nights where I am forcing more carbs and food down my throat and not gaining weight. Whereas before I would monitor carb intake to lose weight or even maintain.

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[quote]buddaboy wrote:

[quote]fd24 wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:
I’m sticking with my 2 snickers pre workout, I’ll change it if/when it loses its effectiveness.

The only change I’ve made so far was one day when I felt particularly tired and peckish I ate 3 snickers and drank a sugary ‘rock-star energy’ drink on my way to the gym- now that was a good workout![/quote]

This makes sense, if something works then you have no reason to change it, especially if that includes eating something as fucking good as snickers lol!! [/quote]

Do you know the only problem I’ve had with this? I hadn’t actually eaten ‘real’ chocolate for over two years, so I’d forgotten what it really tasted like, which made chocolate protein bars taste real fucking good! Now, compared to a snickers (which is mediocre, I used to be a chocolate connoisseur) they just taste like shit![/quote]

Yeah I never eat protein bars, I think they all taste like shit and frankly most have pretty shitty nutritional stats anyway. I prefer dark chocolate milky way to snickers though!

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GHRP-6, look i have no qualms w someone accusing me of being a ‘newb’ but, perhapse out of laziness admittedly, i would loooove for someone to explain for me why when i use the stuff about 2 mins post injection i begin to feel queezy. i literally have to sit down and ‘go zen’, just focus on relaxing and dont move much otherwise i feel worse the more i move… after this period im great, its time to munch!!

the stuff is nothing short of excellent for increasing appetite! also, i am curious as to why i should wait(something like 30 minutes) to eat? otherwise this nullifies the beneficiary effects of GHRP-6 in relation to BB…?
(dont confuse this question w me asking about nutrient timing in relation to post wo, i currently understand 30-45 mins to b optimal…)

Thanks.
Half a dozen eggs for breakfast tomorrow, can i get a hell yea?!!

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Sticky, I mistakenly dosed too much, like 300 - 400 a couple times, and yeah, I got Queeeezy about ten minutes later. AND, that dose size really made me SERIOUSLY hungry for like 40 minutes. Also that size dose will make you puffy, holding water I would imagine from all the carbs you scarf. My ring got tight on my hand. Also, that size dose did not let me sleep well at all…only in 2 hour bits, then I would wake up.

I have read and read, and BBB might attest that over 100 mcg per dose is overkill and wasted. BUT, for the hunger part…if you want that hunger then you may need 300 per dose. I have read and read and read and seems like 20 minutes is a minimal wait time to eat after. When the carbs get in your system, it will stop the dizzy feeling instantly.

I am doing straight 100 mcg, every morning, and then post lift on lift days, which is every other. That dose does not make me feel queeeezy, or make me hungry at all.

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I did my first two dose day yesterday…did second dose post workout. Every day I do the wake up dose, and this is the first time I had done a second dose…trying to really slowly EASE into this.

And much to my happiness, I slept really well. Had 3 very good dreams. I did a little tossin and turning, but not much. I got the same sleep last night as I did the night before when I took a half dose of Sominex.

Keep in mind I am still about 6 days in to my K Flex for my Synus infection too…don’t think it matters. But sitting with my daughters last night before they went to bed, I was feeling exhausted, like ready to sleep. Then I got in bed, turned on the Yankees game, and eventually fell asleep. I had great dream time, then I woke up right when the alarm usually goes off anyway. Probably 7.5 - 8 hours of good sleep.

I had read a lot about guys getting good sleep on this stuff. Gonna try a second dose today after workout. Will go a week, maybe do the second doses about lunch time if I think of it…

Then next week, I will try a pre bed dose, and see if I can still sleep well.

Been doing this for two weeks now…and moving very slowly…not much to report as to benefits in the gym yet…I was off for a week with the synus deal.

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Funny what your saying about the mind becoming clear after fasting; I remember in the Sherlock Holmes stories Sherlock would hardly eat when he was on a case because he said he wanted his blood in his head, not in his stomach aiding digestion, or something along those lines (been a while since I read them) but they used to be my favorites.

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Didnt lift last yesterday like I hoped. Did the reg AM dose, then did the second dose at about 4:00 CST. Had a tough time actually falling to sleep, but got a pretty good night’s sleep once i got there. Pretty confident the 100 mcg dose will not affect sleep negatively, rather probably allow for a little better sleep. Next up, lifting again today hopefully with a pre w/o dose. I am feeling confident about a pre sleep dose…when I dose it does not affect me in a way that would keep me awake.

Budda,

I posted about fasting, but it looks like it was rejected. I don’t know how anyone trying to add muscle and gains would fast, unless maybe once a month or something. And I looked at the Lean Gains site. It is a kid who is a trainer, who is now “a consultant”…probably due to the fact that he bought a website and “consults” on that site. If he was a John Meadows, and had some clout, I would give him some respect. John just won the Ohio. He is a VAST source of info. But this is just a kid. A kid who is lean. I don’t know anyone like me ( an Ecto ) who’s goal it is to be lean. And once you are lean, like this kid, then how does fasting help you get bigger? Even if he was a BBB (hold your head, keep it from getting bigger) and training real lifters, and had post after post of all kinds of info…I would be more apt to believe him.
I’m sure BBB and Meadows are not mid twenties too… Sorry BBB…
I’m a Cert P Trainer, and I write comments on this thread. Am I a consultant? Not at all…

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Just got done lifting…did Noon workout. Was trained by a friend of mine…he is a powerlifter, approx 325, 6’ tall. Has a back that looks like the beef hanging in the locker in the orig. Rocky movie. He trained me on back. Only did 8 sets, but they were so heavy I could barely move at the end. Took a WHOPPING 45 minutes, and we were done ! Wow, what a different workout from where I have been.

Did G 6 when I got home, then had my post shake 20 min later. Stopped and ate a Cheeseburger and a McDouble from Mac’s on the way back to work. Hopefully, there are plenty of hormones in that beef, so I will get some extra T from the burgers !!!

Feel like I will sleep great tonight…

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[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
Didnt lift last yesterday like I hoped. Did the reg AM dose, then did the second dose at about 4:00 CST. Had a tough time actually falling to sleep, but got a pretty good night’s sleep once i got there. Pretty confident the 100 mcg dose will not affect sleep negatively, rather probably allow for a little better sleep. Next up, lifting again today hopefully with a pre w/o dose. I am feeling confident about a pre sleep dose…when I dose it does not affect me in a way that would keep me awake.

Budda,

I posted about fasting, but it looks like it was rejected. I don’t know how anyone trying to add muscle and gains would fast, unless maybe once a month or something. And I looked at the Lean Gains site. It is a kid who is a trainer, who is now “a consultant”…probably due to the fact that he bought a website and “consults” on that site. If he was a John Meadows, and had some clout, I would give him some respect. John just won the Ohio. He is a VAST source of info. But this is just a kid. A kid who is lean. I don’t know anyone like me ( an Ecto ) who’s goal it is to be lean. And once you are lean, like this kid, then how does fasting help you get bigger? Even if he was a BBB (hold your head, keep it from getting bigger) and training real lifters, and had post after post of all kinds of info…I would be more apt to believe him.
I’m sure BBB and Meadows are not mid twenties too… Sorry BBB…
I’m a Cert P Trainer, and I write comments on this thread. Am I a consultant? Not at all…[/quote]

You can gain muscle while using fasting, the whole point would be trying to get your body to utilize nutrients more efficiently, like increasing insulin sensitivity. It doesn’t mean that you can eat a ton less and gain muscle or weight. Martin, who I think you are being a bit unfair to, is not the only person or guideline for this. It is still calories in vs. calories out, just different feeding times. The reason while doing it during a bulk would be to not add all of the unnecessary fat and bulk that most experience. Sure, it may be slower and maybe not as noticeable to you, especially because the scale isn’t moving much.

When I decided to bulk from 210 to 240 I put on A TON of fat, this made stripping fat very difficult and really fucked up my metabolism and made me slightly insulin resistant. But the scale weight was moving up and I was looking bigger, but how much of it was actual, quality tissue that will be retained when I diet down? I gained some muscle but also had months where I felt lethargic, fat, had high cholesterol, etc. Personally, I’d rather use IF and gain a solid 4-5lbs during a year than bulk and gain 20, then lose that 20 to basically be where I could have been without going through months of having a higher body fat.

Maybe it’s not for you, however, your explanation was poor. It doesn’t matter how old or what Martin calls himself…he posts interesting studies/articles and gives it all for free!! He has a very long wait list of clients and clearly the demand is there because he charges a ton. Just because somebody won a bodybuilding show does not make them an expert. But there is nobody that knows your body and how it responds to a diet better than you. The bulk/cut has been and will continue to be used in bodybuilding and it definitely has its role. However, this doesn’t mean that you can’t find other ways to do it. I’m currently up 5-6lbs and down 1.5% bodyfat since starting IF…lost an entire inch on my waist as well…To me that is gaining muscle…and I prefer over gaining 20lbs and gaining a bunch of body fat.