No I’m not anymore, I’m a bodybuilder now, but replenishing your glycogen stores and eating carbs post workout is bodybuilding 101…
[quote]gorillabodybuild wrote:
No I’m not anymore, I’m a bodybuilder now, but replenishing your glycogen stores and eating carbs post workout is bodybuilding 101…[/quote
I agree ^, but like most things in life there is usually more than one way to do most things effectively.
I find I barely need (as in I struggle to eat anything substantial or what any one here would consider a worthy PWO meal) after training nowadays. I finished training a couple of hours ago and I’ve had 2 shakes (which I forced down) each one had about 50g protein, a scoop of apple fiber and a scoop of flaxseed in. This is due to having eaten 2 snickers pre training. I’ll b able to ‘feel’ when I need some carbs, but I know its not yet… about another hour I think…
Had I not done that I would easily have been able to eat 4 chicken fillets and a microwave whole-grain rice (supposedly for 2) in pasta sauce straight after training, the last time I tried to do this I was nearly sick about half/two-thirds of the way through.
I don’t understand the science behind eating 2 chocolate bars pre workout-and TBH, I don’t really care-all I know is I’m eating less, recovering faster and I’m heavier and stronger than I was a month ago.
Budda, I have it now. Sleeping better, can see that the dose of the G6 was too high and interfering. I noticed three days ago that I was holding way too much water. Due to Carbs, and hunger for sweet stuff, all due to G6 hunger after. All makes sense. I will be starting much, much lighter morning doses for a while. If I can go with just morning doses for couple days, and sleep then I may try one before bed just to see how it does with sleep. I worked out this morning after dropping kids off at school, and dosed when done. Will do similar on Sunday morning, then ease into it slowly. WHICH, is hard for me to do with ANYTHING !!! 
Thanks BB for the dopamine info. Gonna google all over it. NOONE has ever had an idea as to alcohol and how I am or am not breaking it down. You would be the first, and therefore the KING !!!
Re: Carbs pre and post…hmmm. I am doing the choc bar thing pre…but I did keep my routine for post shake the same as it has always been. My post shake has 40 g of Carb Powder, or Waxy Maize in it, with 20 g protein, in milk. SO, I am Carbing pre workout, and post workout. I agree with Budda as well, if I did not do the pre choc bars, I could eat a horse post workout. But the two bars pre, and about all I need is my post shake, and I am good for two hours. Not terribly hungry. AND, I am gaining straight muscle with that.
Don’t worry…not gonna stop eating real food, just sayin…still forcing it down 1 hour post workout.
[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
Thanks BB for the dopamine info. Gonna google all over it. NOONE has ever had an idea as to alcohol and how I am or am not breaking it down. You would be the first, and therefore the KING !!!
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Do you mean BBB?
I’m glad things are moving forwards
Yup…Sorry Budda. With the B at the front of your name, and the reversed b’s after the U, it is very confusing.
I just got up. You are probably already at the Pub starting a Guiness !!! It is just before 8 AM here now.
I lifted hard yesterday morning, and did a 100 dose post workout. That was all yesterday, only one dose. I fell asleep pretty much in a normal way, and slept very well. Only normal toss and turning. But as I have read in a couple places, and also suggested by BBB, I woke up a couple hours before the sun. Must have been around 5 AM. I can adjust to it I’m sure. Much better than waking every two hours. Thinking maybe I start lifting when I wake up in the morning if its that early. I can have Oatmeal, and my pre choc bars, etc, go lift, and then dose post workout. BUT…if you look at all that…you get the idea that I would have a lot of carbs in my system…so dosing after all those carbs? (knowing Carbs counter the dose) Makes me wonder if it is worth it. OR, I guess I could dose when I wake up, and then start to eat 20 min later, and then go to the gym.
Anyway…pleaseed with progress.
Any background with Folli? The company was gonna throw in a free one to try. (knowing if I like it, I may buy it, but frankly that’s too much for me…) But using it once…wondered what it would be like.
COCOA
Part of the stuff in this thread is about choc bars pre…and I just read some posts back from 2009 from a guy named Big Balls. He was putting 125 mg of Cocoa in his daily shakes. Caught my eye. He said he was using it to raise his Follistatin levels, which would increase muscle growth.
When BBB gave me the idea of choc bars, I put that into play and won’t stop as it works well building muscle. But one thing I have always done, and still do, is put two big heaping spoonfuls of Cocao in my pre workout shake. I read a long time ago that it increases the NO going into the muscles, which either increases Follistatin or lowers Myostatin.
So when I lift, I have the choc bars pre, as well as the Cocoa pre, and together they helped me put on 6-7 pounds of muscle in 12 days. And one thing I get from Cocoa, is that on arm days, it makes my Bis and Tris feel like they are going to explode.
I also know that the combo in my pre, along with the 40 g protein in milk, followed by my post shake of milk and 20 g protein with 40 g of Waxy Maize Starch…all that is working. And working very, very well.
[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
Yup…Sorry Budda. With the B at the front of your name, and the reversed b’s after the U, it is very confusing.
I just got up. You are probably already at the Pub starting a Guiness !!! It is just before 8 AM here now.
I lifted hard yesterday morning, and did a 100 dose post workout. That was all yesterday, only one dose. I fell asleep pretty much in a normal way, and slept very well. Only normal toss and turning. But as I have read in a couple places, and also suggested by BBB, I woke up a couple hours before the sun. Must have been around 5 AM. I can adjust to it I’m sure. Much better than waking every two hours. Thinking maybe I start lifting when I wake up in the morning if its that early. I can have Oatmeal, and my pre choc bars, etc, go lift, and then dose post workout. BUT…if you look at all that…you get the idea that I would have a lot of carbs in my system…so dosing after all those carbs? (knowing Carbs counter the dose) Makes me wonder if it is worth it. OR, I guess I could dose when I wake up, and then start to eat 20 min later, and then go to the gym.
Anyway…pleaseed with progress.
Haha, no need to apologize my friend.
Any background with Folli? The company was gonna throw in a free one to try. (knowing if I like it, I may buy it, but frankly that’s too much for me…) But using it once…wondered what it would be like.[/quote]
Got up the last two mornings early and feeling like a got a nights sleep. Falling asleep is about the way it was a month ago, and I am waking up much earlier than normal…but feeling like I got enough sleep. I read a lot of guys posts that were consistant with that.
Last three mornings, doing 100 mcg just after waking, and then eating 20 min later. I definitely have the dose correct now, cause I feel a very slight weak/dizzy, just enough to know about it, right at 18 min post dose. No over hungry feeling…just the normal. So that has helped me control myself around the food,and I am eating very clean.
Looks like I got it right. I will, maybe this week, try to add a later in the day dose post workout. See if that affects my sleep.
Sounds good. It’s pretty normal to need to titrate the dose, and its always more fun to start a little too high than too low, at least with GHRP-6 anyway! I once mixed up my hcg and GHRP-6 and ended up shooting about 500Mcg in the morning-now that day I ate a big breakfast LOL.
Cool. I may have started at 200, I may have started at 400…? And if I did 400 twice a day, I know how badly that twisted my sleep. Today, I can say, its right on, and the sleep is very good.
not seeking to disagree with anyone just voicing my personal opinion…
it was not a blanket statement, simply my view as a 290lb bodybuilder that optimum nutrition leads to optimum gains, and that yes pre wo carbs are in all the scientific literature i have read and my own experience key to optimum nutrition.
Of course pre wo is my 2nd priority for carbs and also very importanty but without consuming something pwo you loose that window for your body to utilise nutrients and help you grow after training…
obviously each to his own, and if pre workout does it for you great but im yet to read a single study saying you should avoid eating post wo in favour of pre wo, if such a study exists please link it to this thread as i would be extremely keen to read it
heres one for you to read if you like on post wo carbs BBB if you get the time, not looking to argue the toss but would be interested in any logical reasoning for your argument for restricting post wo carbs in favour of pre wo…?
Kimber, et al. Skeletal muscle fat and carbohydrate metabolism during recovery from glycogen-depleting exercise in humans. J Physiol. 2003 May 1;548(Pt 3):919-27.
Good point Rilla. That’s why I am hitting Carbs so well in pre, as well as post. Got both ends covered.
I have always used Waxy Maize or some Carb powder in my post. I think its a must. You need to replenish, and the Carbs also help synthesize the protein, don’t they? I was suprised how effective they are in pre though,and very pleased! THinking back, before the choc bars, I always put some Wheat Germ, and now still some extra powdered milk in my pre drink…which has milk in it already…just for some extra carbs. Feel like I use em in the workout time.
Slept in about 90 minutes later than normal today… that is about as normal as it ever for a night’s sleep. I worked on my car yesterday, cleaned the backyard a bunch, reseeded the lawn, and then dug up, raked and turned over the dirt in another section of the lawn.
All that above is exactly why I didn’t pop up at 5:00 AM today. And that is very reassuring. I feel fine today, normal energy, just nice to see that the G6 goes allows more sleep when I have a long day of hard, physical work. Again…very normal.
I still eat PWO, but less (usually just a shake 10-15 mins after) as the carbs pre-workout affect my appetite. I’m usually ready for a meal containing carbs a couple of hours after training- but my gains are better now than they were doing it the ‘old school way’. I can, and will only speak for myself when I say that this way works better for me. FWIW I would consider myself an ectomorph; I also use AAS so cannot comment from an empirical point on how this would work as a ‘natural’, though I suppose the principles are the same.
I’ve been ‘YO-YO-ing’ up and down from 210-230 for about 12 months now, all the eating was resulting in digestive problems and an upset stomach and diarrhea; since I started utilizing this simple method I gained 5 kg in 2 weeks and am now back at 230LB’s (my personal all time heaviest) and am hoping to exceed this soon-and-I am leaner than I was at my previous 230LB’s, so I suppose in one way I have exceeded it LOL.
I’ll book mark this thread and bump it in a month or so and let you know where I am with my weight in fact…
F, S, S, M, T all did morning dose of exactly 100 mcg. MAN, that is a tiny amount. Sleeping well, things back to normal. I can tell that I am retaining a little bit of water…I read that G 6 should hold some water in the muscles…and you should see that they look rounder and fuller. Not so much yet, but I can tell by looking at my hands that I am a tiny bit puffy. Last week, end of the week when I completely off it, I noticed my hands and what they look like normally. Today they are a little, just a little bit puffy.
I feel good. Plenty of strength in the gym. For a break before starting a new workout program with my wife, we did 10 x 10 GVT Squats today. I had about 195 on the bar, and had plenty of strength to do all of em!!
I AM noticing that my tendonitis elbow is doing tons better. I raked yesterday, which usually irritates it, and it feels fine today. T-nitis not gone, mind you, but very tolerable today…which is better.
[quote]gorillabodybuild wrote:
not seeking to disagree with anyone just voicing my personal opinion…
it was not a blanket statement, simply my view as a 290lb bodybuilder that optimum nutrition leads to optimum gains, and that yes pre wo carbs are in all the scientific literature i have read and my own experience key to optimum nutrition.
Of course pre wo is my 2nd priority for carbs and also very importanty but without consuming something pwo you loose that window for your body to utilise nutrients and help you grow after training…
obviously each to his own, and if pre workout does it for you great but im yet to read a single study saying you should avoid eating post wo in favour of pre wo, if such a study exists please link it to this thread as i would be extremely keen to read it
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I prefer a carbless post workout as well. You call your approach “optimum” yet you have never tried or read anything on the opposite approach…? Also, there is information on this topic out there. To each his own though, I’m glad what you are doing is working and in that case you have no reason to change it.