Its very, very interesting that you say that. I’ve ALWAYS had trouble sleeping, and one thing I stopped doing when I woke up in the night was turning my phone on and checking the time so I could calculate how long I had been awake and how much sleep I had lost and then stress about it! It didn’t eliminate tiredness, but it certainly helped me.
TX, try the Nootropics which aid sleep they’re very useful.
Congratulations to me for being stupid. I went back to my post on the first page, and I had the math right for taking 100 mcg after mixing 2.5 ml Bac with 5 mg. BUT, I didn’t do what I had written in the post. I have been giving myself 200 everytime, thinking it was 100.
I think the verdict is still out for a while on me being a wierd fucker. No word in yet, and it
doesn’t look good ! 
The quality…I hear what you are saying. I am waking up tired, and getting tired early in the day. I was thinking about what you wrote, are my sleep habits gonna change and will I need less? Doesn’t look like it,
it is draining me. Waking every two hours is zapping me.
I am going to pull off for about two days. Get it out of my system. Then ease back on gradually. See if that helps.
Budda, I have always had trouble sleeping too. Now that I am almost 50, there arises the issue of
having to get up to pea in the middle of the night too. So I have to cut off liquids about 6-7 PM, etc…
Before starting this, I was having great luck with 2 - 3mg Melatonins each night, with the Zinc. I had always taken Zinc, but moved it to pre bed after reading about it. The two Melatonins were just right, and I had good solid sleep.
Then a month back, I had to let my T level drop to its 14 day low before going to get bloodwork done so I could see how bad it really is. When I first went in last Feb, it was 148 on a scale of 250 - 800. Yeah, that low. So I let it drop, did the bloodwork, and now have just about brought it back up to normal…doing 100 each week. But when that is low, I don’t sleep either. And the last month going into using G6, I wasn’t sleeping much due to low T.
Tonight I am doing a Sominex. I need the shut eye !
If you are on TRT, why don’t you figure out how to do it properly so you don’t have to worry about the swings of high/low T?
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
If you are on TRT, why don’t you figure out how to do it properly so you don’t have to worry about the swings of high/low T?[/quote]
TX: Check out the HRT forums you should be using a Test ester like Cypionate split into at least 2 weekly doses (I shoot up 100-150mg E3D when I 'cruise). You should also be using adex and HcG (though at 50 the HCG may be less of a concern to you), are you doing these things?
BBB: I always sleep poorly to the extent it can be a problem. I’m used to waking up a couple of times each night but can’t remember the last time I went to bed slept well and was woken up by my alarm. The only time my alarm wakes me up is if I’ve been awake hours during the night and then fallen back to sleep like four or five. I’ve listed the things that help me previously in this thread but If I fail to incorporate them it’s unlikely I’ll get the sleep I require, and even when I do its quite possibly I still wont get a satisfactory amount. And funnily enough my SBT woke me up last night!
VT, makes perfect sense. But if you read back, you will see the whole story about me getting
my T levels stabilized, and working on that since Feb. I have a routine now, and it will work
and is working well, but it takes a while to get it adjusted correctly…esp when people who lift
often know as much as a Doc does.
Also, when you go to the Doc after 5-6 months of T therapy, you don’t want to go 3 days after the
last dose. That would show the Doc that your level is HIGH, and he would then suggest pulling back.
You go when the level seems like it would be low, so you know how low it gets.
Then, when you have the dose correct, you have to figure out how often to dose. I am finally to
every week.
What you said makes sense, but that is what I have been doing.
BB, the odd thing is that I didn’t have the sleep problem so pronounced, and precictable as when I
started G6. Combine that with the fact that if you google G6 and sleep, you will find what seems like
7 of 10 guys are saying the sleep is awesome.
I have never been a 2 hour shift sleeper. I have, obviously at my age, been getting up once in a while in the night to pee…given. But what has happened at night since starting this doesn’t make sense. And my heartbeat is not racing, its just piss poor sleep.
I did not sleep again last night, even WITH the Sominex, which usually does the trick. BUT, I also had my last dose yesterday morning at about 8 AM. I have not had one since, and am not gonna till I can get some sleep.
There are people, like my wife, who can be woken up by the kids, and fall right back asleep…and still wake up feeling great. Then there are people like me, that once woke up, have a hard time falling back to sleep. Both are extremely common. And when the type like me, can’t get some decent sleep, it affects us more.
If I was more like the former, I might could gain mass a lot faster too…that would be cool.
Back to the better sleep aspect of G 6…I want that if I can get it. And if I have to adjust the amount, or dose at a different time, it is worth the time to figure out. That’s a gimme.
Post last dose 36 hours I went to bed last night and got a much more normal night of sleep. Rolled a little bit, but when i did wake up I was still pretty much asleep…and fell right back into sleep easily.
So it’s obvious that the extra G 6 was affecting me in such a way that I would wake up every two hours. And the waking times were such that I could not just roll back over and drift off. I became awake.
GOing to give it a day, maybe start again with one dose at wake up time on Saturday…and go from there.
Sorry to hijack the thread but as a testimonial to the 2 chocolate bars pre workout: weighed myself today; back up to 16 stone anything beyond this and I’m breaking new ground. I’m leaner (though not ‘ripped’, I can see me hips and obliques) than I was at 16 stone prior and there has been no ‘force feeding myself’ like there was before.
I actually ate three chocolate bars pre training today 
and managed a 400LB dead-lift with the 2’" handled trap bar and only needed a protein shake 30 mins after training and even then wasn’t really hungry. This method WORKS.
AMEN BRUH !!!
Glad to see it. I went up from 195 to 202 with the help of Hersheys !!!
And the coolest was, I had never been to 196, 200, or even 202 ! And when
I got to 202, I could see my ABs still starin at me in the mirror. We must
be using EVERY bit of that glycogen in the gym. And it must be pushing that
protein right into the muscles right after starting that first lift.
It’s very cool ! Makes me wonder how far I could go just with the help of Hershey’s !!!
Maybe they might sponsor me !! LOL
Can you see it, Hershey’s sponsored Athletes !!!?
[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:
AMEN BRUH !!!
Glad to see it. I went up from 195 to 202 with the help of Hersheys !!!
And the coolest was, I had never been to 196, 200, or even 202 ! And when
I got to 202, I could see my ABs still starin at me in the mirror. We must
be using EVERY bit of that glycogen in the gym. And it must be pushing that
protein right into the muscles right after starting that first lift.
It’s very cool ! Makes me wonder how far I could go just with the help of Hershey’s !!!
LOL! I just wish I’d known this 12 months ago-sigh…
Oh well, better late than never, huh?
The funny thing about this is when you tell people what you’re doing they just look at you and think its some fad diet bullshit for people who lack the self discipline to eat properly; and at the risk of repetition: I’m really pleased with how it well it works, and its just so simple!
Maybe they might sponsor me !! LOL
Can you see it, Hershey’s sponsored Athletes !!!?[/quote]
Budda, you may find this interesting…
I was just reading about high and low blood sugar, and G6 and GH. Possibly, G6 may have affected my blood sugar one way or the other to an extreme, and maybe I just need to be on a smaller dose. Or, I think about the hunger I had when on it, and I was more hungry for Carbs, and sweet stuff. ( I attribute that to eating without thinking first…but… And I know that eating that type of food probably messed with my blood sugar. In addition that that mess, I was doing the 2 Hershey Bar pre workout, every other day when I lifted. And when I lifted, I always did G6 post, and at least one more time those days.
Also helpful to note that if I have one glass of beer or a drink after 7 PM, that it wakes me up about 2 AM and I am terribly alert. Must be something to do with my ? inability to break down sugar, or the alcohol being broken down into sugar, ???
Take all that crap, and then look at how g6 in a slightly too high dose made me wake up every two hours of the night. Makes me wonder if everything I was doing was messing up my blood sugar so badly one way or the other, that I could only sleep for two hours. ?
If I get some decent sleep tonight, I will start again tomorrow morning or Sat morning on g6 in a small dose. Will probably only do it in the morning for a while, then ease into it. That and I will be certain to watch what I eat too…
Thats really interesting; I did some food muscle testing with BBB and he found that I tolerated sugar pretty well, maybe that was why I didn’t have that problem? Although as I mentioned I’ve never really ‘slept well’.
At least now you can work around this and make the necessary adjustments to prevent this from happening again; I think less in definitely more with certain compounds, especially when introducing new ones to your body.
Good luck! I’m looking forwards to hearing how you get on
BB
Thats really interesting; I did some food muscle testing with BBB and he found that I tolerated sugar pretty well, maybe that was why I didn’t have that problem? Although as I mentioned I’ve never really ‘slept well’.
At least now you can work around this and make the necessary adjustments to prevent this from happening again; I think less in definitely more with certain compounds, especially when introducing new ones to your body.
Good luck! I’m looking forwards to hearing how you get on
BB
My thoughts GHRP-6 is better used AM stimulate appetite and metabolism through the day, and before bed, recovery, this fits in better with the bodies natural secretion which is what GHRP-6 is stimulating anyway…
Oh and carbs, post workout…After your workout EAT CARBS = NO 1 PRIORITY there’s so much science and literature to back this up, waxy maize, virago, sugar, chocolate heck it don’t matter all that much! On an interesting note read a paper the other week from a german university stating the amount of sugars required to replenish lost glycogen after a W/O was approx. 1/2 a can of coke or 35 jelly beans…(obviously bodyweight needs to be considered) but you get my point I hope…
And yeah good advice hawkeyes mix it in a way that you can do the math simply!