Newbee and Ghrp-6

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[quote]Lurxalot wrote:
well when trying to mitigate fat gain, in regards to para workout carb timing, pre is best, then during workout and then post workout… obviously there will be some overlap with digestion taking some time but it still works out like it should IMO

so I would have carbs pre/during then 0 post workout… usually a simple carb will sit better buring a workout than oats but as long as its not pure sugar i dont think you would get hypo without following with post workout carbs[/quote]

Yesterday:

Wake up: pint of water and protein shake with just protein and fiber. Cooked Ham, eggs and sausage.

Approximately one hour later: three small/standard sized sugary red bulls, three snack sized snickers.

During workout: (leg workout) Anaconda drink with orange squash (disgusting!)

Post workout: protein shake with 50g protein, MCT, fiber and flaxseed plus an electrolyte tablet.

This left me feeling a bit bloated which I didn’t really like, but I don’t see what other outcome could have been possible!

A couple of hours later I was very, very hungry and throughout the rest of the day I ended up eating three chicken fillets and a portion of rice, a tub of Ben and Jerrys and two 12 inch pepperoni thin crust pizzas. I know this was total crap but I got the calories in at least :wink: I could feel myself ‘clucking’ for the calories so I just went for it, I don’t see how else I could have got that many in (I also took multi vitamins) I know I’ve contradicted myself and steered towards ‘dirty bulking’ again but the goal is 240LB and this wouldn’t be a long term thing. I’ve got 8 quality 100% quarter pounders in the fridge so no more pizza!

Recovery feels SUPER accelerated! My legs feel great today, even though volume was quite high yesterday so I’ll train again today…

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Same again today really, but less sugar pre workout.

3 snack size snickers pre workout and sugar free caffeine drink.

Anaconda during workout

Protein shake with MCT, flax and fiber PWO.

I feel good, today was upper body day so less required IMO than for a leg day.

I’ll weigh myself tomorrow and see where I am. I feel slightly bloated, or at least softer, but I think the impact is psychological more than physical.

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hey, if you can get away with pizza by all means!

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@ Tex

what is your exercise selection/sequencing?

post it up and maybe we can help you with the tendonitis…

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[quote]Lurxalot wrote:
@ Tex

what is your exercise selection/sequencing?

post it up and maybe we can help you with the tendonitis…[/quote]

Me thinks I need to give up Bicep curls for a couple weeks, and the other tough day is the Pull day. I am doing HIT. M Shoulders and Calves T Chest and Tri W Back and Bi Th Legs Sat Bi and Tri This week I skipped Bis and just did Back alone. Hurt, but not as bad. Doing legs either tonight or tomorrow. Sat, when I do Biceps and Triceps… Going to do the EZ Curl bar on the Preacher pad dealio, then finish with some concentration curls with my elbow against the inside of my leg. Trying to support the elbow for a while on Bi day. My heaviest on Curls is the 90 EZ bar, or the 45 Dumbells. I need to back the heck off of heavy weight on that, and like I said, support the elbow.

Next week, on Pull day for Back, I am going to try and do pulldowns, and try and find a couple other things that don’t hurt my elbows.

Talked to friend of mine today, and he suggested (after GNC guy did too) to amp up the Omega 3’s. I have some at home, need to use em up, but I was told by both guys that I need 3-4 G a day of the actual Omega 3’s. It heals tissue. I tried them, but never more than 600 mg.
And me being tall and thin, I will eat up the extra good fat anyway.

The problem is most likely self inflicted ! :slight_smile: I am probably not using perfect form, and the two things that bother both elbows the most are standing EZ Curl bar curls, and when I do Dumbell curls on the Incl Bench. There is nothing there to keep my elbow steady. That and turning to HIT a month ago, and finally realizing I could go heavy, just added to it.

I do some cable curls, and that is not as painful…my arms aren’t allowed to wobble back and forth so much. Thinking also, I could use those machines that are for the old folks, that really limit the Bicep curl extra unwanted movement.

Finding out that the GHRP2, in my opinion so far, is not as helpful in healing the tendons, as GHRP 6 was. But, the Ghrp 2 is working, getting larger, more rounded muscles. Working well along with the rest of my whole routine/food/etc.

I need to ice more too. When I lift, I wear a tight sleeve on my elbow, and then on the right one I put a strap around the forearm part and tighten that. It gets me through the lift without it hurting as much. Until the next day… :slight_smile: I also take Mobic daily, (NSAID).

I am always open to ideas for Bicep excercises that wouldn’t bother it. And maybe if I was not a couple years from turning 50, it might heal faster too…but I can’t fix that !!! :slight_smile:

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[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:

[quote]Lurxalot wrote:
@ Tex

what is your exercise selection/sequencing?

post it up and maybe we can help you with the tendonitis…[/quote]

The problem is most likely self inflicted ! :)[/quote]

i would assume so, as it is usually the case… now what are your damn exercises (in order)?

:wink:

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TX: doing the forearm extensor exercises will help protect your elbows. Ironmind do a set of special rubber bands (sorry can’t remember the name of them) alternatively you can just touch all your fingers together, wrap the finger and thumb of the other hand around them then do an isometric contraction whilst you try and open hand against the resistance of your other hand-if that makes sense!

I had TERRIBLE elbow pains/forearm problems at the beginning of the year and have since managed to overcome it, but these definitely help, and work especially well as a preventative maintenance exercise.

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[quote]buddaboy wrote:
TX: doing the forearm extensor exercises will help protect your elbows. Ironmind do a set of special rubber bands (sorry can’t remember the name of them) alternatively you can just touch all your fingers together, wrap the finger and thumb of the other hand around them then do an isometric contraction whilst you try and open hand against the resistance of your other hand-if that makes sense!

I had TERRIBLE elbow pains/forearm problems at the beginning of the year and have since managed to overcome it, but these definitely help, and work especially well as a preventative maintenance exercise.[/quote]

similar to putting your hand in a bowl of rice and squeezing for time or am i misunderstanding?

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^ Yes, but the idea is to exercise the muscles used to OPEN the hand, if that makes sense?

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[quote]buddaboy wrote:
^ Yes, but the idea is to exercise the muscles used to OPEN the hand, if that makes sense?[/quote]

I get it, the reverse of squeezing a raquet ball…pushing hand open.

I looked and looked last night for Omega 3’s (Fish Oil). Lucky for me, I go through fat, so that is not an issue. Issue? Could not find any oil pills that had more than a gram of Omega 3 in a pill. I ended up buying FOUR DOLLARS worth of Canola Oil. 3 tbpns in a shake has 3500 mg Omega 3. That’s a start. And yeah, gross, but it doesn’t bother me if I mix it in shake, or mix it in with food. The fatty acids are great for tendons from everything I saw.

Going VERY light on Biceps tomorrow morning. Only doing Preacher curls with that padded bench, and some concent curls against my leg. And going light too. Can crush my Triceps, so I will still have fun !!!

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Or I could have just said its the opposite of clenching your fist LOL

I was sitting here typing that out at 0530 trying to figure out how best I could articulate that, I knew I’d got it wrong…

TX: Vitamin C with bioflavonoids are great for tendons :wink:

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[quote]buddaboy wrote:
Or I could have just said its the opposite of clenching your fist LOL

I was sitting here typing that out at 0530 trying to figure out how best I could articulate that, I knew I’d got it wrong…

TX: Vitamin C with bioflavonoids are great for tendons ;-)[/quote]

Cool. I have, and do take about 500 mg of Vit C daily. Take a strong multi too…thanks to mother who does Herbalife thing. Just had my 3 tbspns of Canola Oil… that stuff does not taste like ANYTHING. Never said that in my life before…I use an old protein bag scoop, and pour about 3/4 full, and just drink it. It tastes … TASTELESS ! Kind of like the fist thing, opposite of closed. Canola tastes the opposite of food that has a taste or flavor !!!

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Noticed today in the gym, gonna stop doing Hanging Wipers with the straps for a while, and use those deals that hold you up by your elbow. When I hang from wrist straps, and move legs back and forth, it sure isn’t helping my elbows at all ! That and I am gonna start doing a couple hundred straight leg raises in the captains chair.

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[quote]buddaboy wrote:
^ Yes, but the idea is to exercise the muscles used to OPEN the hand, if that makes sense?[/quote]

oh yeah, the reverse in sand works well too. just a little hard to for reps

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[quote]txhawkeyes wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:
Or I could have just said its the opposite of clenching your fist LOL

I was sitting here typing that out at 0530 trying to figure out how best I could articulate that, I knew I’d got it wrong…

TX: Vitamin C with bioflavonoids are great for tendons ;-)[/quote]

Cool. I have, and do take about 500 mg of Vit C daily. Take a strong multi too…thanks to mother who does Herbalife thing. Just had my 3 tbspns of Canola Oil… that stuff does not taste like ANYTHING. Never said that in my life before…I use an old protein bag scoop, and pour about 3/4 full, and just drink it. It tastes … TASTELESS ! Kind of like the fist thing, opposite of closed. Canola tastes the opposite of food that has a taste or flavor !!![/quote]

i would bump up the vit C (2000mg per day) and make sure it is “ester C” - most bioavailable form

15g fish oil per day, through out the day

i wouldnt make the canola oil a habit though… not good health wise. EVOO is much better but if you dont like the flavor there are “light” olive oils. also extra virgin coconut oil is great (like 60% MCT’s and prob top 1 or 2 ) and tastes like butter. also, macadamia nut oil is supposed to be very mild tasting. i’ve never tried red palm oil but John Meadows always talks about it be awesome though

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[quote]Lurxalot wrote:

[quote]buddaboy wrote:
^ Yes, but the idea is to exercise the muscles used to OPEN the hand, if that makes sense?[/quote]

oh yeah, the reverse in sand works well too. just a little hard to for reps[/quote]

Definitely, but reps are VERY easy with the purpose made Iron-Mind bands :wink:

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Lurx, is there something in Canola that differs from the rest of em? I only have an 8 ounce bottle, so will shop for something new next trip.

Reading that 15 g of fish oil a day…funny, those pills max out at about 600 Omega’s…so much easier to do the liquid oil. I even notice a difference after a few days of 4 g a day of the Canola.

Odd that this info isn’t more readily available.

Did Bi’s and Tri’s today…with Bi’s started with Cable curls…3 x 20 at 25 whole pounds !!!

Then I did some Preachers with the ezcurl bar and a 10 on each side. Had someone lift it up to me,
that helps a lot. Last, did Concent curls with the 20’s 3 x 20. Nice and light, and didn’t bother
me too much at all.

For the FIRST TIME in years, I think I can BEAT the Tendonitis !!!

Very encouraged !@!!

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TX: The WSB guys are big on using bands for triceps exercises to help protect the elbows; maybe that will help/be of some interest?

BB

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Cool. For some reason, my Tricep workouts don’t bother my elbows. Then again, I think it is due to the control with them…the elbow is stationary when I do them…doesn’t get to wobble around. Also, my Triceps were the very first body part that showed years ago…and I have always done them correctly. :slight_smile: Unlike Biceps…I could rarely curl well at all starting out. Go figure…

Yesterday I did Bi’s lighter, and more controlled, elbow supported well. Pain is nowhere near where it usually is following a Bicep workout.

Funny, I can train people and they do things correctly, good form, etc.

But when it is me…I just throw caution to the wind and yank the shit out of stuff with horrible form…:slight_smile:

Much better yesterday. That’s a first !

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TX: I had a strained biceps tendon (just close to the insertion into the elbow) and it fucking sucks! Avoid elbow pains at all cost dude…

GHRP-6 question: to the guys who are using GHRP-6 along with CJC, how much CJC are you taking with your GHRP-6?

My understanding is that its close to a 1-1 ratio.

I’ve decided the next time I use GHRP-6 I’m going to run CJC concurrently to amplify the results. Has anyone who has experimented found an optimum ratio? I’m interested to hear peoples experiences…

Thanks guys, BB