Newbee and Ghrp-6

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Yeah, I hear ya. I was just getting tired of the taste of the choc bars ! :slight_smile:

And the thing is, I get all the benefits from Chocolate cause I lace my pre shake with all that Cocao.

Being close to Thanksgiving, I thought about changing the flavor !

Check this recipe out…pre shake 30-40 min pre…

Raw cow’s milk, 6 ounces.

1 Scoop cheap Sams Club Vanilla protein
1 Scoop Rose Acre Egg White Protein

2 heaps CoCao

3 tbsp Sweet Potatoe Pie Filling. (It is really runny, so mixes well. Also has cinamon in it)

Shake it baby, shake it.

It tastes like a pumpkin pie with chocolate Ice Cream !!! And I don’t burp it near as much as the choc bars… :P)

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Difference between GHRP 6 and GHRP 2

I can’t tell yet, been just one full week on G 2. But I can say the G 2 kinda goes unnoticed. It really fits easily into my routine. I still try not to eat 45 minutes on either side of dose, just like I did with G 6…but the G 2 seems more user friendly. And after just a week or so, I am noticing more rounder muskels, at just 100 mcg twice a day. BTW, I DON"T dose right after workout either. I dose way away from workout times. Feel like there is some growth going on post workout, why not just let it go by itself and get another pulse of growth later too.

But as I said above the G 2 is working great, ALONG with everything else I am doing right now. Its def a combo of all.

And I think I said above, the only time I use powder protein is pre and post. Other than that, I don’t drink shakes. Never done that, and I am still gaining…? I train 5 days a week, and do a pre and post shake on those days…Working out M, T, W, Th and S. M Shoulders and Calves, T Back and Bis, W Chest n Tris, Th Legs (Deads/Squats) S Bi and Tri again alone.

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TX: My friend, a very experienced user said he found GHRP-2 better for fat loss? And the 6 for weight/muscle gain? Just thought I’d share that :slight_smile:

Just for the update: I’m still getting stronger and I feel a BIT leaner (I split up with my GF for 3 weeks and when we had sex after making up she said I had bigger and more visible more muscle round my abs) but I’m 230ish still. I’m eating as much as possible, still getting fiber, vitamins and healthy fats (fish oils and MCT etc) but I’m throwing in the odd tub of ice cream, extra chocolate bar pre workout, so three chocolate bars pre workout to see if there is any further weight gain. I don’t want to transition into a ‘dirty bulk’ but If I can utilize these extra calories without getting fat I will. I can’t see me making 240LB by the end of the month though. On a higher note, I AM sustaining 230LB pretty effortlessly, whereas prior to this I was literally eating myself sick to hover here for a week or so. I’ve been working and studying pretty hard and had flu for a week which further fucked me by negatively affecting my sleep, so that didn’t help, but we’ll see what happens. Any advice is, as always, greatly appreciated.

Sorry TX, and thanks, good work!

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Thanks Budd. For the first time, I am forgetting about getting my ABs and Obliques to pop out and just trying to eat as much as possible. I am following meals with deserts too, which I have NEVER done in my life. Gaining little by little, but it just seems easier, and I can’t tell you exactly why. Eating plenty of carbs before and after lift really is helping a lot.

And I could say…that the G 2 is helping me lose fat, because I really could and should be fatter from all that I am eating…? :slight_smile: I see you on the Using the extra calories. I am lifting a LOT heavier than I ever have before, and imagine I am really using up all the carbs I am ingesting in the gym.

Funny you said Flu, I caught a Sinus infection a month ago…lost 8 or so pounds. But I now have it back, and have moved another couple pounds in. Hit 203-204 area for the first time in my life yesterday.

I read your post pretty quick, and thought for a minute there you UNIT grew…read your GF said it was bigger and more visisble…but then I realized she was talking about your physique !!! LOLOLOLOL

When you are in the grocery store, pick up a can of sweet potatoe pie filling. It’s amazing how it fits in where the choc bars were before. And like I said, I still get plenty of Cocao in my pre shake…so I get the Theobromine affect from that. That stuff is great for Bi and Tri pumps, esp in combo with my Kre Creatine.

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You know what? I’m on 3 chocolate bars pre workout, AND a sugary Rock star energy drink (the large one pint one) and I train until I ‘feel’ them wear off; so Its like I’ve ‘used’ up the sugar, if that makes sense?

I’ve never been super lean, in fact now I’m at my biggest and leanest simultaneously, which is pretty cool, I can only se the lines round my hips and my obliques are more visible (no six pack, never had one) and like my girlfriend said she can see more muscle around the obliques, which I think is from standing ab crunches with a band, band deadlifts and perhaps losing a little more fat.

Right TX: I’m with you,-fuck abs, Christmas is fast approaching and I can think of no better time to up the calories :slight_smile: I’m going to eat so much now my UNIT may well Grow!
LMFAO, in the UK, or at least in London where I am we use the word ‘unit’ to describe a fat woman i.e “That bird I fucked last night was a right unit”. So, in actual fact Its me that may become a unit!

I’ll keep you posted with my weight. What exactly are you eating post workout? I’ve been going carb-less pose workout as BBB said this is the best way to stay lean, my latest PWO shake has 50g protein, flaxseed powder, MCT oil and fiber in it (no milk). I’m tempted to throw in a pint or two of chocolate milk or a couple of chocolate bars, then the bars alone will increase the days calories by over 1000. What do you think?

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You all over the pond crack my ass up. First, you all can carry on a conversation, which puts you ahead of a lot of people over here that can’t speak with swearing every other word. i.e. they never learned how to spell or read. :slight_smile: Second, you all have a great wit…very broad sense of humor !

I get the thing about using sugar. I am 47, and I know when I have to go home…and have run out of energy. I get a good, solid, 40-50 minutes. BUT, going heavy, this is plenty of time, and it is working.

I know, and have read, that everyone says its not good to go on a gain and put on weight, and then cut. But with me, I burn up so much so fast, I have found I won’t show my ABs well until I get a lot bigger everywhere else first. And I am not fat, by any means. I just probably carry an extra 1/2 to full inch around my waste as I gain.

When I do go back and trim off my abs, I bet I could make 2 inches fall off. Probably in a week or two too.
Right now, I just do 4 x 25 Hanging Wipers about 3 times a week, and I know the ABs are good and tight…they are just covered with a little insulation.

You weigh a good 30 more than I do, and it is harder when you weigh more, but have you googled Hanging Wipers. I started with TWO back in Feb. But now I can whip out a 100 in 4 sets repeatedly.

All the best Bro !

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Sorry…I forgot.

My Post shake is working pretty well.

I use Milk, a scoop or two of protein, and a 40 g scoop of
either Waxy Maize Starch, or Carbo Gain (NOW Foods).

Keeps things growing pretty well. BUT, the carb powder in it takes away
the appetite, so you have to kinda force yourself to eat solid food after.
I do the post shake when I get home, then eat a half hour later.

I can see BBB saying no carb in post shake to stay lean…but on the other
hand, if you put chocolate milk in it, or chocolate bars, that sugar is gonna
turn to fat, and I think that would work against you in the same manner.

I can’t get away from a video I saw about what Carbs do after workout, to help
move the protein into synthesizing it into muscle. Watch this video…not saying
it is absolute truth/fact, and not saying you have to buy the Species product.
Just saying I learned a little from watching the video telling me what the
carbs do post workout. Google SPECIES NUTRITION, then hit PRODUCTS, then
down the left side click the CARBOLYZE product. You will see a video in the
middle with a guy kinda balding with black hair. He is a former B Bldr, and not
saying he is a Doctor or God himself, just saying the video was interesting.

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Thanks TX, I’ll be sure to watch that.

Just to clarify then: You’re ingesting carbs pre AND post workout and gaining, not getting fat, yah? But its chocolate pre workout and starchier carbs post workout? I have some ground porridge oats I can put into my PWO shake if this is the case…

I think the next macro to increase, since protein is high and I’m trying to take in most of my carbs pre workout (other carbs are when I ‘feel’ I need them) is going to have to be healthy fat, I’m gonna start drowning salads in olive oil and putting MCT into every shake-fuck the expense.

I think I have a quiet week coming up next week so I’ll have time to catch up on sleep, cook and relax whilst I’m studying, which should help gains. I’ll also start steering away from ‘dirty bulking’ as the health aspect is important to me as well, I’ll go and stock up on 100% high quality beef burgers and gammon steaks etc, so I’ve got plenty of high calorie food around me.

I’ll just have to make sure I’m building muscle, not fat - I don’t want to turn into a unit!

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You make good sense. Needing good fats. My answer was lucky, we started getting raw milk from a local guy. There is a lot of reasonable fats in that milk. And that is probably helping a bunch.

You are correct sir, pre is choc bars, or pie filling :), and the carbs are simple and I would think are just being used as energy. Carbs in milk, choc bar, or filling are…I would think pretty much glucose.

Carbs in post are straight powder form (mixed in with milk too) and on the actual container it says that the Carbo Gain by NOW Foods is Complex carbs. I would think Waxy Maize is too…from what little I know those carbs come from corn. Not as simple as sugar, but probably not as complex as something out of the ground either.

What about Wheat Germ for Complex carbs in post shake? Its really inexpensive…or Oats…probably about the same, good idea.

I talked to a guy I see at the gym a lot and he manages a health food/supp place. He reminded me how important Carbs, and healthy fat are for me. I am an Ecto, was tall and super skinny and still have a pretty high metabolism. So I am lucky to be able to burn anything, fat, carbs, whatever. But thinking back, in the last couple weeks I am eating desert with meals. That is a first. I used to eat clean as can be, but I do better with a more balanced approach. Again, lucky I burn it all up…

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so finally got my order.

took 200 mcg and got a little hypo about 15 mins later. Yay!

any way the only problem was my shipping confirmation stated everything was sent but when i get my package there is a note inside saying the GRF is on back order… oh well

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Sorry to hear that. But GREAT to see some reaction after just 200 mcg…that tells you a lot.

The thing with the companies that have this stuff…not any of them do a great job. All a result of us being able to get what we want…they are not regulated. :slight_smile: If they were, it might be near impossible to get anything… so good we can get it, bad that they are very average companies.

With the GHRP 6, and you prob already know this…if you want to go after the appetite surge, do yourself a favor and get the food out right after you pin. For me, if I waited, I went all after Carbs…had a strong urge for sweet stuff. If you have some clean food right there ready, you can pound it and maintain some balance. I ate a ton of carbs, held in a lot of water, got puffy…etc…till I figured it out.

Again, you prob already know that…

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Going to 3 times dose today if I can get it going. All doses 100 mcg. First will always be at waking, then will try to get the other two in and space em out. Slept like a rock last night. It is obvious GHRP 2 is more user friendly, and doesn’t throw you too many curves. I am eating like a pig lately with it. No sudden urge to eat, just seems like I am always kinda hungry. And if I walk by food in the kitchen, I fix a plate. At the same time, have been told it lowers fat some…so the combo of those two means my weight it slowly going up, and not adding fat around my belly. Granted, I am not one of those guys whose ABs stick out yet…that ain’t a concern right now. Putting on mass is. Upper body is slowly becoming more round and full in the muscles. This certainly looks like an easy thing to do for 4-6 months, which makes sense as some folks say it takes a while…slowly but turtle like.

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you’re right, im happy i got the G6 at least…

any way im trying to avoid the hunger. trying to get truly lean for the first time ever so im gonna be following each morning shot w/ cardio :frowning:

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@ Budda

i’m still not very well versed in PED knowledge but i like to think i understand BBing nutrition a little… if you want to stay lean but still add in more carbs, i would just keep adding them in pre-workout as much as you can handle as opposed to post work out. a couple days ago, i read a convo CT had where the only difference was he was using FINiBARs instead of choc bars. he said regarding going carb-less PWO, he was just going to add the carbs before or during - taking a 2-3 minute break in the middle to eat a FINiBAR - before he would add them after

also, in case you missed it here is a good article about protein synthesis from meadows/bill willis from a week ago

you should prob read it yourself but they say “you dont need carbs PWO” but they are “highly advisable” unless you are trying to lose a lot of BF

now, i assume they are citing studies done on natty (no PED’s or peptides) so i dont know how that might affect their recommendations for people like us…

any way hope it helps

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Hey L,

I never got any hunger at all after the first week doing 100 mcg 2 or 3 times a day.

It might be noticeable at first, but it goes away fast. I don’t think you would even notice

it. Hunger at 300-400 you bet. Hunger at 100’s, not even noticeable. In fact, one AM I

did my 100 dose at waking, then I purposely did not eat till 11 AM at pre workout, just to see

what not eating up to pre workout on a lift day at Noon would do. I fasted, except for coffee,

all morning. No problem at all, even after the dose. Didn’t eat for 4 hours…

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GHRP 2 and Appetite

Okay, I know (don’t have to remind me) that GHRP 6 in higher doses gives you a crazy good appetite about 20 min post dose. I did it, felt it, and ATE it !!! :slight_smile:

But what I am pleasantly suprised at, is GHRP 2 gives me an appetite. It is not the same SURGE of an appetite as G 6, but I do have a pretty large appetite on G 2. AND, before you jump down my throat…this may be JUST how it affects me. But, look around, NO ONE says Ghrp 2 gives you appetite…

For me, I have been eating like a horse. Not binging, but seems like the food is being digested pretty quickly. On a Saturday, I eat a plateful…a large plateful, and then 3 hours I am back for another large plate, etc, etc.

Today, I lifted at lunch. Did dose (100) at wake time. Then everything normal, and did pre shake at 11:30 AM, then lifted at Noon. Out at 12:45 or so, home, and instead of doing my post shake…I decided to skip it and dose 100. Did that, showered, 30 min later ate like a pig. Not the SURGE of appetite, but I was freakin hungry. Then after I finished, I went back and fixed my post shake, and drank it. It had milk, 20 g Protein, and 40 g Carb powder in it.

Figured, if nothing else, I would change up the post training routine, and dose, wait, eat, then post shake. See what happened.

Late this afternoon, early evening I will dose Number 3 today. That will be two days in a row on 3 x 100 doses.

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[quote]Lurxalot wrote:
@ Budda

i’m still not very well versed in PED knowledge but i like to think i understand BBing nutrition a little… if you want to stay lean but still add in more carbs, i would just keep adding them in pre-workout as much as you can handle as opposed to post work out. a couple days ago, i read a convo CT had where the only difference was he was using FINiBARs instead of choc bars. he said regarding going carb-less PWO, he was just going to add the carbs before or during - taking a 2-3 minute break in the middle to eat a FINiBAR - before he would add them after

also, in case you missed it here is a good article about protein synthesis from meadows/bill willis from a week ago

you should prob read it yourself but they say “you dont need carbs PWO” but they are “highly advisable” unless you are trying to lose a lot of BF

now, i assume they are citing studies done on natty (no PED’s or peptides) so i dont know how that might affect their recommendations for people like us…

any way hope it helps[/quote]

Thanks for this, much appreciated :wink:

Interesting as this morning I crammed in four snack size snickers bars and a sugary rock start energy drink pre workout! I felt kinds sick but I went carb-less PWO. I’ll read that article now and let you know how I get on. Thanks again.

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Right, this is my newly revised plan after reading that article… I’m not on any peptides at the moment but am on Test so I know I can utilize more protein than a natural person.

One hour before workout: protein shake with fiber, 50g protein, flaxseed and MCT oil.

Ten minutes pre workout: 2 chocolate bars and a sugary rock star energy drink

peri workout: one anaconda drink (although they taste like shit even with flavoring

post workout: protein shake with MCT oil, flax and fiber (although I’m running out of MCT so I’ll use fish oil caps instead as MCT is more expensive and I have a HUGE 1000 cap tub) with the ‘optional but highly advisable unless in drastic fat loss phase’ cup of oatmeal after leg/dead-lift days. I’m happy t gain weight at the BF level I’m currently at, I’d love to get bigger and leaner but one step at a time.

Any constructive criticism appreciated guys, thanks for letting me ‘squat’ in your thread TX, and thanks again Lurxalot!

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well when trying to mitigate fat gain, in regards to para workout carb timing, pre is best, then during workout and then post workout… obviously there will be some overlap with digestion taking some time but it still works out like it should IMO

so I would have carbs pre/during then 0 post workout… usually a simple carb will sit better buring a workout than oats but as long as its not pure sugar i dont think you would get hypo without following with post workout carbs

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TENDONITIS

GOing on about 18 months of Tendonitis in Right elbow, now it is starting in the left. Last night it was throbbing on right side.

Threw up a post on another site, and a Masters guy encouraged me to do the Forearm rollers, rolling wrist back. I went to a cable yesterday, put a straight bar on it that had a loose grib that rotated, and did 3 sets of 20 with about 25 pounds with arms straight out. Hurts, but in a different way. Hoping that will help the muscles around it alittle, and take a little stress off the pain.

I take Mobic every morning, and have for 6 months now. I also know that my worst day of pain with be the one after I do BiCeps. A guy suggested I do only supported BiCep stuff…like Concent Curls, and Preacher Stuff. Gonna go that way, and go lighter for a while.

Lifting heavier, getting stronger, and as a result, my elbows both hurt more…due to me increasing the weight. The last two sets of my BiCep day is doing the EZ Curl 80 lb bar, and I do 2 x 12 of em. But GOSH, those last two sets HURT like a Beast ! The Cable curls, not so bad…just have to back off…

Easier said than done !