Probiotics need to get past the stomach - where the acid will kill them - and into the intestines to colonize. Empty stomach for probiotics is therefore advisable. Maybe also look for “enteric coated.”
[quote]SuperFast wrote:
Probiotics need to get past the stomach - where the acid will kill them - and into the intestines to colonize. Empty stomach for probiotics is therefore advisable. Maybe also look for “enteric coated.”[/quote]
thanx, I’ve never taken probiotics before and wasn’t sure when the best time to take them.
These types of diets are why I am so glad I hired Shelby Starnes. It has been the best experience I have ever had in fat loss or bodybuilding, period. More so, I didn’t have to do any of these ridiculous flavor of the month starvation diets.
I eat to satisfactory levels, am never hungry, and continue to lose fat faster and with less actual “weight” loss than ever before while trying all these various diet plans from non-guru, gurus.
[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
These types of diets are why I am so glad I hired Shelby Starnes. It has been the best experience I have ever had in fat loss or bodybuilding, period. More so, I didn’t have to do any of these ridiculous flavor of the month starvation diets.
I eat to satisfactory levels, am never hungry, and continue to lose fat faster and with less actual “weight” loss than ever before while trying all these various diet plans from non-guru, gurus. [/quote]
Funny you mention Shelby, good decision hiring him! I worked with him beginning of the year, one of the best moves I ever made. However the Warrior Diet is more of a life style change than a diet. It suits me and my life style much more than eating 6-7 times a day, much more convenient and satisfying. I actually still carb cycle while eating “Warrior style”, so in a sense I combined Shelby’s macro-nutrient guide with the Warrior Diet. Ive had great results after 1 week and the main thing is i sleep much better, I don’t even feel like Im dieting.
And I guarantee Warrior Diet/IF wont be a flavor of the month type diet, it’s very flexible. You will see more and more people who’s lives better suit these diets make the switch. Chad Waterbury and CT already have switched over and have both stated that they prefer this way of eating/Living.
[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
These types of diets are why I am so glad I hired Shelby Starnes. It has been the best experience I have ever had in fat loss or bodybuilding, period. More so, I didn’t have to do any of these ridiculous flavor of the month starvation diets.
I eat to satisfactory levels, am never hungry, and continue to lose fat faster and with less actual “weight” loss than ever before while trying all these various diet plans from non-guru, gurus. [/quote]
Different strokes for different folks, I worked with Shelby last year and had great fat loss results. This year I’ve surpassed my leanness then without really any cardio, just recently introducing fat burners and very very little social restriction.
I eat 2-3 large meals a day PWO and don’t stress about diet the other 16-20 hours of the day.
I’ve got nothing but positive things to say about Shelby himself and the progress I made with him last year but this has been the superior way for me to diet and maintain a degree of leanness that I was incapable of doing previously.
Would you mind sharing any pics for comparison Scott? (if you have to them anyway)
[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
These types of diets are why I am so glad I hired Shelby Starnes. It has been the best experience I have ever had in fat loss or bodybuilding, period. More so, I didn’t have to do any of these ridiculous flavor of the month starvation diets.
I eat to satisfactory levels, am never hungry, and continue to lose fat faster and with less actual “weight” loss than ever before while trying all these various diet plans from non-guru, gurus. [/quote]
I think labelling everything else you don’t do as a “fad” or “ridiculous” just makes you sound like a ‘fundamentalist’ spouting their slanted views. Thankfully there are more balanced, common-sense reponses on the thread.
At risk of lowering the tone, another observation on this diet is the increased frequency in bowel movements. Previously when eating ‘normally’ I tended to have at best one daily movement, although sometimes I could go 2 days.
On the WD it ranges from 1-4 times a day. I don’t know whether it’s eating a lot in one sitting, the digestive enzymes, something else or a mix of all of these variables.
I’m confused; for those of you that do this diet; how many calories are you taking in during that one meal in the evening? And what do the macro splits look like?
One more WD question. I used a protocol like this incidentally, with great success, when I was working at a summer camp. I only had access to the dining hall at night, and then just ate a couple pieces of fruit during the day. Now, I work a desk job, and I train after I get my kids in bed (9 or 10pm). I am wondering how to fit the four-hour refeed around my training schedule, without having to stay up til 1am or 2am.
Would you eat a bunch of calories 2 hours before training, and then the rest as a mid-workout/post-workout protein shake(s)?
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
I’m confused; for those of you that do this diet; how many calories are you taking in during that one meal in the evening? And what do the macro splits look like? [/quote]
What are you confused about?
I don’t follow the ‘Warrior Diet’ exactly as Ori describes in his book, but I do consume all of my food after training in the evening (around 7:00PM). I’ll usually have 1-2lbs of meat as my main meal with some potatoes or white rice if I just trained. After that I might have some blueberries with greek yoghurt, and later a half-dozen scrambled eggs. I don’t count calories or macros and generally just eat until I’m satisfied.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
I’m confused; for those of you that do this diet; how many calories are you taking in during that one meal in the evening? And what do the macro splits look like? [/quote]
You dont really count calories just eat good quality food until you are full, although you can count your calories if you would like.
a sampple dinner for me would be:
1.Humongous Salad loaded with romaine lettuce, spinach, tomatoes, broccoli, olives, onion, whole cage free eggs, topped w/either apple cider vinegasr or a Low cal dressing
- 10-12oz of chicken breast & 10oz Lean beef w/1-2 cups of rice
- bowl of fiber choice cereal + protein as milk
- cottage cheese mixed w/nut butter, cinnamon, splenda
- If Im still hungry some eggs cooked in organic butter or coconut oil
as you can see this is about a days worth of food, prob less. On my more demanding training days I have more carbs, less demanding less carbs.
[quote]orcrist wrote:
One more WD question. I used a protocol like this incidentally, with great success, when I was working at a summer camp. I only had access to the dining hall at night, and then just ate a couple pieces of fruit during the day. Now, I work a desk job, and I train after I get my kids in bed (9 or 10pm). I am wondering how to fit the four-hour refeed around my training schedule, without having to stay up til 1am or 2am.
Would you eat a bunch of calories 2 hours before training, and then the rest as a mid-workout/post-workout protein shake(s)?
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Interesting position. I would certainly consider consuming around 600-800 kcals worth of low carb foods like low GI fruit, seeds, yogurt, etc, throughout the day, then having your main meal immediately after training. Remember a “4-hour refeed” is not required on the WD. You could quit eating in 20-30 mins depending on what you have.
A rough formula for WD eating is:
Course 1 - large salad
Course 2 - meat/other protein source with greens (some carbs too depending on goals)
Then eat depending on goals. For fat loss try less carbs and stick with nuts, seeds, etc. Try and allow for around 2 hours downtime before sleep. It could be done especially if you or your partner was preparing your meal so its ready when you finish the workout.
here’s a great article by Michael Keck from Elitefts outlining the “Modified Warrior Diet”, it’s the Warrior Diet but geared towards athletes. He gives an overview of Ori’s version and how he has modified it to fit an athletes life style.
http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/the-modified-warrior-diet/
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
here’s a great article by Michael Keck from Elitefts outlining the “Modified Warrior Diet”, it’s the Warrior Diet but geared towards athletes. He gives an overview of Ori’s version and how he has modified it to fit an athletes life style.
http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/the-modified-warrior-diet/
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Decent article. I take his point. I am not familiar with Hofmekler’s book aimed at athletes so don’t know how he modifies the WD. My only observation is that the benefits of the WD obviously rely on the nature of the undereating and overeating phases. Dilute either and it can be argued the potency of the diet is lost. I also think appetite, as Hofmekler suggests, can guide you when you’re active during the undereating phase without a need to have a formula where you consume x percentage of your daily energy total.
This is where I think Keck steers away from Hofmekler. From my own experience I try to ensure I’m drinking enough water and am rested/not stressed before heading for the kitchen. For example, yesterday before work I did some bodyweight circuits in some parkland. Nothing spectacular - pull-ups on a tree branch; Bulgarian split squats on a park bench, and push-ups, etc. 8-10 mins work. Apart from 100kcal whey shake, between 10am to noon I ate 600kcals worth of yogurt and seeds. That was enough to curb hunger from the session and keep me alert until dinner time around 6pm.
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
here’s a great article by Michael Keck from Elitefts outlining the “Modified Warrior Diet”, it’s the Warrior Diet but geared towards athletes. He gives an overview of Ori’s version and how he has modified it to fit an athletes life style.
http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/the-modified-warrior-diet/
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Decent article. I take his point. I am not familiar with Hofmekler’s book aimed at athletes so don’t know how he modifies the WD. My only observation is that the benefits of the WD obviously rely on the nature of the undereating and overeating phases. Dilute either and it can be argued the potency of the diet is lost. I also think appetite, as Hofmekler suggests, can guide you when you’re active during the undereating phase without a need to have a formula where you consume x percentage of your daily energy total.
This is where I think Keck steers away from Hofmekler. From my own experience I try to ensure I’m drinking enough water and am rested/not stressed before heading for the kitchen. For example, yesterday before work I did some bodyweight circuits in some parkland. Nothing spectacular - pull-ups on a tree branch; Bulgarian split squats on a park bench, and push-ups, etc. 8-10 mins work. Apart from 100kcal whey shake, between 10am to noon I ate 600kcals worth of yogurt and seeds. That was enough to curb hunger from the session and keep me alert until dinner time around 6pm.[/quote]
I agree with you, I like the Warrior Diet the way it is… INSTINCTIVE. I threw this article up for a different perspective on the Diet.
I think the WD is interesting but how would it work for someone who trains in the morning??
~Thanks
To me, Ori didn’t necessarily have hard training individuals with varying schedules in mind when he wrote the Warrior Diet book.
Wesley/Iron Addict’s version is much more in tune and realistic in terms of suggestions than the original.
He would suggest having a PWO shake as usual, your underfeeding meals(easiy digesting protein and raw veggies/or GI fruit) and the feast in the evening to your satisfaction or macro needs if you are counting. Feasting early and then fasting is doable but… I’d recommend against it but from a psychological and physiological stand point.
[quote]facko wrote:
[quote]inkcreep wrote:
I experimented with various forms of intermittent fasting throughout the years and gave the WD a run for a while. You do tend to eat under maintenance calories, but what I’ve learned is that your body becomes much more efficient at nutrient utilization and pretty much uses everything you give it in the best way possible. I realized that the calories in/calories out thing was BS after i played with fasting. I was able to maintain my body weight while dropping bodyfat rapidly. After a while I did the calculations and found that I was only taking in about 90 grams of protein a day at 175 lbs and roughly around 1400-1600 calories and was NOT losing muscle mass ( bodyweight stayed constant/bodyfat decreased). I’m no scientist, but I think that the changes that take place hormonally through a fast and also an increase in fats have much more to do with the changes rather than simple calorie restriction. KInd of like on the AD when you overload with fat and protein and drop all carbs AND up your calories above maintenance you still drop body fat. Theres a lot more at work here than just low calories. There’s a cleansing/detox effect and also the hormonal effects. I love fasting, but I also love to eat. So I usually work in 1-2 fasts a week to gain some of the benefit. Usually on a rest day I’ll just drink BCAA’s throughout the day.[/quote]
…It’s STILL calories in vs calories out. I get what you’re trying to say, but either you are not understanding it entirely or you are mis-wording things. You said yourself that your body becomes much more efficient at partitioning and utilizing nutrients due to hormonal changes or w.e. the explanation is. The point is…this is still calories in vs calories, your body just has become much more efficient and can operate at a LOWER level of caloric intake/macronutrient intake. Again…this is still calories in vs calories out. Thermodynamics doesn’t change just because your hormonal profile does…[/quote]
I think Gary Taubes has proven in his 2 books, calories in vs calories out isn’t a rule