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I look forward to you help…
Thanks…

RoidEnthusiast…Got a million bucks?
THANKS FOR THE INFO!

I’m 72" tall
My middle finger to middle finger measures: 76"
I tell You bro… I’m very strong! But look shity!

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i get good results on my bulking program, without roids or aminos. people think i’m a genetic freak cuz i get gains as good as roids; it’s all in the training. that strength increase you get from the roids is going to fuck up your joints, tendons and cartilage, unlike a program that will make you grow as fast with your natural strength.

that’s the only thing you should be worried about; how it’s going to effect you later in life. even using short-term, you can do lots of permanent damage that will make you a cripple as a middle-aged man. that artifical boost in strength gives you false expectations of how much load you can bear (in weight, intensity and volume), and you ALWAYS end up overtraining. you may be able to contract harder on roids, but your joints and connective tissues can’t bear that additional stress.

my advice? get off the roids, and read every article on here about bulking. try stuff out. if none of it gives you the results you want, check out the high frequency routine i posted on page 6 of the Zane or Cutler thread, in the Physique and Performance Photos forum. it may not seem like much work on the daily level, but the cumulative effect works your muscles to the core.

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[quote]You make a valid argument, but personally I find most supplements to be garbage, although I have not tried them all. I also have read that the lower your BF% when a cycle is started the better your overall gains will be. Although I am not sure, physiologically speaking, why a lower BF% would matter?

Possibly the OP felt he had plateaued and needed a little help to get over it. So, I do agree with some of the points you have made. [/quote]

man, it’s all in the training. people waste their time with crap routines they read in muscle mags; that’s why it takes them a year to get gains you can make on roids in 3 months. but if you use a good program, you can get those same gains without the roids. i know, because i’ve done it; in the past, and again now that i’m getting back in shape.

i agree that most supplements are crap. i don’t use any drugs OR supplements, and i’ve already put on 20 pounds of lean mass in just under 4 months. for me, roids and sups are BOTH a waste of money, cuz from what i understand from others here, most think my natural results are impossible without the juice. some think they’re impossible WITH the juice…

i also agree that BFP is irrelevant to mass gains. if you have a good bulking routine, it won’t matter what your body chemistry is like, unless you’re seriously deficient to the point of needing hormone therapy. as long as you don’t eat more than a gram of protein per lb of bodyweight, no more than 1.5 grams of carbs per pound of bodyweight, and keep your fats at a healthy level, a good bulking program will put on lean mass and burn away some of the fat. my abs and lower back are getting thicker, but my waist is still 39 inches since i started. that means i’ve actually lost fat while i’ve been gaining muscle.

what it all comes down to is this: why take the health risks and spend good money on junk when you can do it all-natural just as quick, without having to spend money on anything more fancy than good food and a multivitamin? that’s the only thing that ever kept me from doing roids. i’m an anarchist, so i don’t care about the law or moral reasons; i’m just concerned with the purely pragmatic aspects of such choices.

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[quote]Mykayl wrote:
A bunch of bullshit [/quote]

First, our a tool. I use pieces like you to turn bolts on my 95 cobra, and you are probably a tool that I rarely use.

What you fail to realise is a number of issues. The first is muscle memory. once you have achieved a certain muscle size, you can achieve it again much faster than someone achieving it for the first time.

Second, Med Pro learned a lot during his cycles. He learned to apply diet, supplements, and training to reach a goal. He applied himself in a way he had never done before.

It is irrelevant he did it on a cycle, the important point is that he did it. Now that the cycle is done, he realizes what a valuable learning tool it has been. Read his posts and stop trolling you butt monkey ass clown.

He has learned to diet, supplement, and train, noticing how his bodyu reacts to the stimulus.

I close by saying that when I had little chest muscle, I could barely feel the squeeze of working out, but as my chest grew I began to feel every area of my chest and focus in on areas that lag’ed behind such as inner chest.

Your a tool, and your opinion of Med Pro is based on a few posts. Read the thread and stop being a troll butt monkey.

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[quote]Mykayl wrote:
You make a valid argument, but personally I find most supplements to be garbage, although I have not tried them all. I also have read that the lower your BF% when a cycle is started the better your overall gains will be. Although I am not sure, physiologically speaking, why a lower BF% would matter?

Possibly the OP felt he had plateaued and needed a little help to get over it. So, I do agree with some of the points you have made.

man, it’s all in the training. people waste their time with crap routines they read in muscle mags; that’s why it takes them a year to get gains you can make on roids in 3 months. but if you use a good program, you can get those same gains without the roids. i know, because i’ve done it; in the past, and again now that i’m getting back in shape.

i agree that most supplements are crap. i don’t use any drugs OR supplements, and i’ve already put on 20 pounds of lean mass in just under 4 months. for me, roids and sups are BOTH a waste of money, cuz from what i understand from others here, most think my natural results are impossible without the juice. some think they’re impossible WITH the juice…

i also agree that BFP is irrelevant to mass gains. if you have a good bulking routine, it won’t matter what your body chemistry is like, unless you’re seriously deficient to the point of needing hormone therapy. as long as you don’t eat more than a gram of protein per lb of bodyweight, no more than 1.5 grams of carbs per pound of bodyweight, and keep your fats at a healthy level, a good bulking program will put on lean mass and burn away some of the fat. my abs and lower back are getting thicker, but my waist is still 39 inches since i started. that means i’ve actually lost fat while i’ve been gaining muscle.

what it all comes down to is this: why take the health risks and spend good money on junk when you can do it all-natural just as quick, without having to spend money on anything more fancy than good food and a multivitamin? that’s the only thing that ever kept me from doing roids. i’m an anarchist, so i don’t care about the law or moral reasons; i’m just concerned with the purely pragmatic aspects of such choices.[/quote]

By the way, how the fuck does an intelligent person get run over in a corosswalk?

Answer: They dont!

Sounds like natural selection is calling you out, bro. Good luck with that.

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DAY 76:

BP 130/78
Chest 50 1/2 in
R Arm 17
L Arm 16.75
Weight 240LBS (Thanks Ksman)

Max Bench on Cycle 365lbs/ Yesterday 355lbs 2x’s.

I have started to cut! Clenbuterol 0.20mcg 2 on 1 off. Thermogenics ECA stacks, Lipo-6. 1-1.5g protein and the diet I posted a few posts ago.

Mykayl… You got to at least respect Mykayl. He makes it known what he does or what works for him “unlike”, the ASSES that simply state how F’d UP I am about what I do.

Too many ASSES offer no help other that to say “stop, it’s all wronge, Your an idiot”, etc…

If someone has something to say, fine… Say it, but offer a thought on how YOU THINK it should be done rather than be an ASS!!! OFFER HELP! If your posting to be an ass… Please do it on another tread…

FOR GOD SAKES!!! PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE F’N THREAD BEFORE YOU OFFER YOU HALF ASS 2 CENT OPINION!!! GET’S VERY OLD WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT NOT KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY!

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[quote]Petedacook wrote:

What you fail to realise is a number of issues. The first is muscle memory. once you have achieved a certain muscle size, you can achieve it again much faster than someone achieving it for the first time.

Second, Med Pro learned a lot during his cycles. He learned to apply diet, supplements, and training to reach a goal. He applied himself in a way he had never done before.

I close by saying that when I had little chest muscle, I could barely feel the squeeze of working out, but as my chest grew I began to feel every area of my chest and focus in on areas that lag’ed behind such as inner chest.
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…inner chest?

If it takes steroids to really apply yourself at anything you NATURALLY suck.

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By the way, how the fuck does an intelligent person get run over in a corosswalk?

Answer: They dont!

Sounds like natural selection is calling you out, bro. Good luck with that.

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my intelligence has nothing to do with it. the guy was slowing down; i though he’d seen me, but he hadn’t. he saw the girl walking behind me, who stopped. he sped up when she stopped walking, i took a step back, but he caught my other leg before i could get out of the way. i landed on my hands and knees, 30 feet out of the crosswalk. i survived that unfortunate circumstance, because i refuse to die before i’m good and ready.

i’ve also survived 3 heart attacks, and numerous grand-mal siezures caused by my porphyria. to top it off, i got hit by a car back in '91, bled out from a head wound until my heart collapsed, and then i got up and tried to walk 7 miles home before someone saw me stumbling around and called for an ambulance. everyone i personally know believes i came back from the dead; judging by what i saw before i got up off the road, so do i.

luck has nothing to do with why i’m still here; strength of will does. most people with my history of health problems would have died in their early 20’s, but here i am, 36, still hanging on with great gusto. i refuse to be limited by some obsolete notion of evolution.

you’re just a cook. i like cooking, but by occupation i’m a writer and a musician, which puts me in a higher social strata than you. aside from that, the only difference between you and me is that i don’t let my station in life go to my head. everyone learns from everyone else; there is no such thing as a “superior animal”.

i don’t know why, but you fear me, otherwise you wouldn’t have made such an idiotic statement to try to build up your damaged ego. bluff and mudsling all you want, but that’s the bottom line. no one else here is going to see it any other way, so put your foot back in your mouth.

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right on! it’s not a moral issue; it’s just one of several choices. a high-risk choice at that, but nothing to thump the bible over.

as for me, i wasn’t trying to tear you down; i was just trying to point out that you have other options if you decide you don’t want to deal with the risks of roids. if i’d had money when i was younger, i probably would have tried them myself. i’m glad i didn’t though, cuz i have heart and liver problems that i didn’t know about at the time. i probably wouldn’t have survived.

anyways, no offense meant. i just know what it’s like to have to struggle in the gym; i did it for a whole decade before i figured out what worked for me.

best wishes to you.

[quote]Med Pro wrote:
DAY 76:

BP 130/78
Chest 50 1/2 in
R Arm 17
L Arm 16.75
Weight 140LBS

Max Bench on Cycle 365lbs/ Yesterday 355lbs 2x’s.

I have started to cut! Clenbuterol 0.20mcg 2 on 1 off. Thermogenics ECA stacks, Lipo-6. 1-1.5g protein and the diet I posted a few posts ago.

Mykayl… You got to at least respect Mykayl. He makes it known what he does or what works for him “unlike”, the ASSES that simply state how F’d UP I am about what I do.

Too many ASSES offer no help other that to say “stop, it’s all wronge, Your an idiot”, etc…

If someone has something to say, fine… Say it, but offer a thought on how YOU THINK it should be done rather than be an ASS!!! OFFER HELP! If your posting to be an ass… Please do it on another tread…

FOR GOD SAKES!!! PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE F’N THREAD BEFORE YOU OFFER YOU HALF ASS 2 CENT OPINION!!! GET’S VERY OLD WHEN PEOPLE COMMENT NOT KNOWING THE WHOLE STORY!
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you’re the only one slinging insults; i was just trying to help the guy.

great! so he learned some things while on the roids. but maybe he knows the risks of taking them, and would rather do something that gives him satisfactory results without those risks. the only thing you want to do is misread my posts as an excuse to jump my ass, cuz you think there’s some sort of imaginary dick war going on between you and me.

as for muscle memory, that doesn’t explain how i got 20" arms in one year, when i’d never gotten bigger than 15" arms before that. it also doesn’t explain how i’m growing just as fast at age 36, when my testosterone is significantly lower than it was at age 25.

i don’t have any opinion of the guy, cuz i’ve never personally met him. i was merely trying to point out the fact that there are better things if he’s willing to look for them. how the fuck that concerns you, i don’t know.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Mykayl wrote:
A bunch of bullshit

First, our a tool. I use pieces like you to turn bolts on my 95 cobra, and you are probably a tool that I rarely use.

What you fail to realise is a number of issues. The first is muscle memory. once you have achieved a certain muscle size, you can achieve it again much faster than someone achieving it for the first time.

Second, Med Pro learned a lot during his cycles. He learned to apply diet, supplements, and training to reach a goal. He applied himself in a way he had never done before.

It is irrelevant he did it on a cycle, the important point is that he did it. Now that the cycle is done, he realizes what a valuable learning tool it has been. Read his posts and stop trolling you butt monkey ass clown.

He has learned to diet, supplement, and train, noticing how his bodyu reacts to the stimulus.

I close by saying that when I had little chest muscle, I could barely feel the squeeze of working out, but as my chest grew I began to feel every area of my chest and focus in on areas that lag’ed behind such as inner chest.

Your a tool, and your opinion of Med Pro is based on a few posts. Read the thread and stop being a troll butt monkey. [/quote]

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Yea, I was kind of harsh, and I apologize for that.

Not all supplements are a waste of money. Two notable supplements are Creatine and Whey Protein. You said you were back in the gym so I assume you were gaining from muscle memory because you say you got good gains and are getting them again now that you are “getting back in shape.”

I apologize again for my harsh response. I am happy for your gains.

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thank you for the apology; i have nothing personal against you.

i agree that those can be good supplements, but with the program i’m using, i’ve never needed them. using them didn’t improve my results any, so for me, they were a waste of money. from what i understand about the gains people make on roids, those would be a waste of time for me as well.

i’m not saying it’s for everyone, because it is a pretty hardcore routine, even at the beginner’s level. you’re welcome to try it out if you want; i’d like to hear from someone who’s used roids how it compares to both the results they got on roids, and the way they made them feel (didn’t you say something about having used roids at one point? my mistake if not). i feel totally energized from it, and i itch to hit the weights every day. the only thing that ever came close to producing that feeling was taking 5mg’s of l-arginine at night. i hear that roids make a person feel like that, but i’ve never done them, so i have no comparison.

i’m not back in the gym; i can’t step foot in a gym, cuz i’m allergic to ultraviolet light (those flourescent lights are the fuckin’ devil). i’m stuck playing with plastic kiddie weights until i can afford an olympic set. i wish i could go to the gym; it would make things so much easier. even when i get an oly set, i won’t have anyone around strong enough to spot me on heavy lifts.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Yea, I was kind of harsh, and I apologize for that.

Not all supplements are a waste of money. Two notable supplements are Creatine and Whey Protein. You said you were back in the gym so I assume you were gaining from muscle memory because you say you got good gains and are getting them again now that you are “getting back in shape.”

I apologize again for my harsh response. I am happy for your gains.

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Yea I took juice before. About 10 years ago.

The gym I go to has High Pressure Sodium Light so I imagine they are worse than the fluorescenrt lights. HPS lights are bright. Street lights are often HPS.

Sorry for taking this of topic.

Hey Med, do you think a 20 gauge needle would be too terrible to use?