Interesting gains and info. Keep us posted.
However you negative commment regarding two fingers I found rather inappropriate. The reasons that you saw those comments in the first place was due to your lack of lifting experience and general knowledge of steriods. They were meant more to help you rather than piss you off.
Good luck with the rest of your cycle and PCT.
See Ya
DAY 22:
Good article! Anabolic Steroids: Mechanisms and Effects
Speaks of “Cortisol”
According to this artical I need to consider the damage CORTISOL has to muscles post cycle!!! http://www.smart-drugs.net/ias-tryptophan-article.htm Very interesting facts!!!
I can’t see that their is the benefit claimed. That site is concerned with HCG oral administration. Research on this shows undetectable levels of HCG in the blood with oral administration.
Studies showing weight loss with HCG are mostly negative.
I think that when injected HCG leads to weight loss in men, it probably is from the resultant increased testosterone status, not the HCG. For someone on TRT, HCG would have the testes create additional testosterone.
I think that HCG has good merits, but perhaps not for weight loss. Research shows that 250IU SC EOD restores intratesticular testosterone levels to baseline in healthy younger men.
http://dspace.hsl.washington.edu/dspace/bitstream/2012/52/1/JCEM_2005_Low_Dose_Human.pdf
[quote]Med Pro wrote:
To all those asses that were negative to my decision to start cycling, TWO DOUBLE HANDED FINGERS AT YA!!!
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Thanks for the fingers. 
Good you’re getting results but are these results from your increased knowledge in nutrition and training or just from the AAS you’re using?
If you haven’t spent this time educating yourself regarding diet/training the risk is quite high that you’ll end up as you were before this AAS-experiment. AAS helps speed up recovery, as you’ve noticed, but don’t you think you could have got similar results without AAS using a better diet/training plan over a slightly longer timeframe?
Would love to see some before and after photos, would be great to see a photo app 6 months post cycle too.
KSman
None the less intersting artical… HCG as we all know is very good at restarting test production after a cycle and judging by smaller testicals… I’ll need the help. Ill need the Test to support w/ cutting don’t you think?
Moose
BTW keeping what I’ve gained is a matter of maintanance…
[quote]Med Pro wrote:
KSman
None the less interesting article… HCG as we all know is very good at restarting test production after a cycle and judging by smaller testicles… I’ll need the help. Ill need the Test to support w/ cutting don’t you think?
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I think that HCG should be used throughout a cycle if it can be obtained. It is better to prevent the symptoms than treat them later or not at all. I get the impression that HCG is not readily obtainable for most folks using ‘street gear’. Perhaps some others might correct me on that. Folks have been managing without HCG for years and cycling and using PCT to keep the testes from permanent damage.
There is always a problem in getting an improved method excepted against current practice. (I must point out that I am not an expert in gear. My personal experience is limited to my HRT and my reading is mostly centered around that.)
As for its value in cutting, only you can report on that. But with several things that you are doing at once, it will be hard to tell. But I think that the benefit of maintaining testicular function is probably the decision point.
I like to start the hcg 3 weeks before I finish the cycle. Makes all the difference in the world.
My2cents,
biscuite
[quote]iannotti wrote:
Give this guy a break, he is no posting asking for advice on his diet habits or training, so you really shouldn’t comment on it. If he has a fucked up diet and training program, fuck it, thats him. This is a forum for gear, nothingless. Rather answer his question to the extent he is asking or don’t. No need to flame anyone.
Ex: Sombody asks would XXX Mg a day be ok?
Your answer should be, yes and he is why
OR No and he is why…
Not OMGWTF you only been training for 2 years…
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iannotti:
Agree with you on this.
The guys who jumped on med pro may be knowledgable and have some useful info to convey. The problem though is that when those guys give advice, they demand that it be followed. And when their advice is not followed, they start calling the guy stupid and any other insults they can come up with. Why guys who are reasonably intelligent about steroids will act like retards is a mystery.
If I start a thread I hope guys will come and give me advice. (I know med pro, you were not asking) But if a guy is some kind of psycho and demands that his advice be followed then please stay out of my thread and go home and kick your dog or something.
Med pro, thanks for continuing this thread instead of bailing out after the insults.
Med pro:
I would never have dreamed of injecting all that oil in one spot. I sometimes have trouble with injecting 3 mls (sometimes gets swollen, sore red whatever).
You mentioned that your libido/mood fluctuates as the week progresses. You should seriously consider injecting 4 mls every 3.5 days. That may eliminate the fluctuations.
FYI, test causes very little acne with me, but when i add in HcG the acne shows up. The balls react immediately though.
[quote]maxx power wrote:
Med Pro wrote:
I’m 6’0 & 235lbs. I have worked out in the gym for 18mo with no clear diet or supplement plan. I have worked on low carb with some success but not hard core. I still have a big spare tire and big belly. I look big when my shirt is not tucked in but very bad with my shirt off. I look like a fat football player in my eyes but people think I look good. I got em fooled. In high school I was 185-198lbs. I weighed 205lbs when I got out of the army 6years later. I shot up to 256 and looked bad @ 36years old and very poor health. BP was 250-260, Cholesterol was 244 and I would get chest pain. Many times outside the ER debating to go in.
After dropping down to 209 lbs in 46day (atkins) I started up in the gym a few mo later. Slowly crept up to 235lbs and still working out HARD 3x’s a week no cardio.
I bench & 355lbs2X. Curl 135lbs 5x’s, Big non defined chest and 16" small looking arms with a hint of delts. I’m strong! stronger then 90% of the people in my gym. I CANNOT UNDRESTAND why dudes that work out 50% less intense then I have bigger arms and are ripped?
So I decided to get help. I researched many articles & settled on 500mg of Sustanon 250 (250 mg per ml) and 400mg of Deca Durabolin (50mg per 1ml) So I’m shooting 10ml/cc of oil based steroids. I went to Los Algodones Mexico just 10min SW of Yuma AZ. All their pharmacies require no prescription. However the Boarder check point guys will check bags. They do not check pockets. I took small sterile alcohol bottles and filled them up with the gear I bought. I bought Sustanon250 (250mg per ml @ $11.50 per amp) & Deca Durabolin (50mg per ml @ $22.00 per amp). Very expensive for 10 weeks but hope it’s worth it. Also got 40 taps of Novadex @ $10 per box & Clenbuterol 20tabs for $7.00. They have many types of steroids but be specific. They have dictionaries of drugs but be prepared. There are many names for the same Steroid. I printed a list of the stuff I wanted which helped!
I also wanted to add protein. I figure this is were I’ll gain bigger arms & legs. How the hell do I eat 470mg of protein!!! I ate 2 scoops of protein w 8oz of milk, 4eggs, 6oz of cheese =100gm of protein. Very full!!! 2 cans of tuna in a tuna melt & 8oz of cheese. 2scoops of protein. Very Full… Help! I’m also using liquid amino’s, Creatine, Liquid Centum, Yabomine, Meca, Zinc, etc.
DAY 1: I started Sunday Sept 03, 2006. Today Just to mess around I was able to press 380lbs 2x’s and cable curl went from 40lbs to 90lbs! I was Leg pressing 540lbs without any trouble. 4 sets of 5 until a huge cramp hit my hams! I should have stretched!
Initial assessment is VeRy Big Strength gains!!! No fatigue! It’s weird, I only notice failure do to my inability to lift max weight however no pain.
I got home and a 100 degree fever started. The area of injection is hot and mildly swollen however I understand this is normal. Took 2 Tylenol and fever is better. Legs were crampy for a few hrs but better now.
This stuff is very working well so far! My goal is to mass up my arms, chest legs, rip my abs and lose the spare tire.
Shit, here goes another 2 minutes of my life i will never recover…
You dont even need to be a vet to see problems with this.
- “Slowly crept up to 235lbs and still working out HARD 3x’s a week no cardio.”
- “I’m strong! stronger then 90% of the people in my gym. I CANNOT UNDRESTAND why dudes that work out 50% less intense then I have bigger arms and are ripped?”
- “I have worked out in the gym for 18mo with no clear diet or supplement plan.”
- “I also wanted to add protein. I figure this is were I’ll gain bigger arms & legs.”
- “I’m also using liquid amino’s, Creatine, Liquid Centum, Yabomine, Meca, Zinc, etc.”
- “4 sets of 5 until a huge cramp hit my hams! I should have stretched”
- “My goal is to mass up my arms, chest legs, rip my abs and lose the spare tire.”
Bro, you dont even have the basics of training down yet.
You dont have the basics of food, diet and nutrition right!
You need to realize that up to 60% of your results will be from proper nutrition, doesnt even matter what your doing in the gym or shooting into your system.
You are a disaster waiting to happen.
You havent even clearly stated WTF you are posting?
If its advice, you better stop your shit (youve been on for 2 days) and start over from the basics.
Im not even close to being qualified to offer advice about gear and I see major issues with your “plan”.
Welcome to T-Nation, there are a thousand basic training and nutrition threads here that you should read. Pretend you didnt goto Mexico and forget about the shit in your medicine cabinet until you have exhausted the basics.
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I totally agree with you, you are right. I read up on everything and started with the basics before going to anabolics and stuff like that. But still, even now after 3 years of working out. I didn’t try doing steroids. Its simply unessesery now. Maybe I’ll try it for one cycle down the road. But I’ll try to stay away from this bad candy stuff.
If you have good genetics, steroids will only perfect them and outline what you had in your dna. now if you didn’t, well then it won’t do any good for you and you still won’t be looking as Ronnie Colman.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Have you considered running any arimidex? It will do a better job of keeping E-related sides at bay than nolva, plus, it should make you cycle easier to recover from, as it prevents the conversion of test to E.
The increased E is ‘seen’ at the hypothalamus, which then suppresses you even further. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting that the use of a’dex will make you less suppressedin the short term, but since E hangs around in the body longer than T, once you finish your T shots, you will still have elevated E levels, making recovery harder. A’dex should eliminate or drastically reduce this problem.
Just a thought.
Thanks for logging your experiences BTW.
bushy[/quote]
Good, I was hoping Bushy would give you some advice. He’s always been good answering my questions.
DAY 24:
My Liver Function Test Results:
(My Values)…(NORMAL VALUES)
Bilirubin 1.4…(0.02-1.3mg/dl)
Alkaline Phosphatase 132…(39-160iu/l)
AST 72…10-50iu/l)
ALT 76…(2-60iu/l)
Though slightly out of range and considered an Abnorm LFT test, is to be expected and is some what similar to someone on Lipitor.
An example of an LFT test on a Patient with Hep-C.
Bilirubin 0.5
Alkaline Phosphatase 84
AST 271
ALT 444
I will check my cholesterol next week and re check my LFT’s.
For now I started Alpha Omega 3’s (Flax & Salmon oil) as AAS decrease GOOD cholesterol. I started Milk Thistle for liver protection.
I am not concerned at all with my labs and will continue to illustate my labs.
My BP I just took was 127/70 mmHg.
Still have oily skin. Libido has improved. Testi’s are still small. No sign’s of jaundice, no hair loss, no rage. I feel there might be some suppression of my immune system, but I’m dealing with it.
Lately I’m sleeping restlessly for the past 3-4 days… This SUX!!! Has caused problems with my workout and mental abilities. I’ll try a sleep aid tonight.
I am happy with my gains from ASS and notice a difference in the mirror!
THANKS FOR THE INFO PROVIDED IN THE PREVIOUS POST!!! I HAVE CONSIDERED WHAT WAS SUGGESTED!
Med Pro
Have you tried melatonin for a sleep aid before? I find it works well for me when needed and from talking to others it doesnt feel as hard on the body as perscription products.
See Ya
I find that I ‘bounce’ on melatonin and wake up during the night. This does not happen for me on the time release products.
DAY 23:
I forgot to mention MY urine labs have been normal & checked every other day.
LillGuy001: I did NyQuil… Work well
Man I needed to rest. It was starting to effect my health!
Time to drink my 3 cans of Muscle Milk. Stuff’s like pudding.
You need to do a little more research on HepC and liver enzymes. Any hepitologist will tell you that liver enzyme tests are not a reliable method for judging liver damage. Many people with chronic HepC have normal or near normal liver enyzmes.
BTW, you call yourself MedPro, are you an MD? I know you stated that you are a respiratory therapist (or something like that), but that could mean anything.
DAY 22:
bushidobadboy: Yeah Lack of sleep really breaks you down. I sleep on a memory foam bed that I couldn’t get a wink of sleep.
The Nyquil did the job and I feel recharged today!
Thanks for the info… How long before cutting post Cycle? I read cutting low calorie is ok if protein is maintained to prevents catabolism.
Anyhow…thanks for the info…
gojira: What is you reasoning for your line of questioning anyhow? You are waisting your time posting here. Where you not the one that stated “Stop! Stop NOW!!!”? Are you an MD or Medical Professional. I am not going to debate that the example I gave does not represent the entire HEP-C population!!! It was not intended to teach people about Hep-C! It was just to show an example of an abnormal LFT test…
BTW gojira,
This lab came from a patient that has a “10 YEAR HX of HEP-C”.
So I guess your notion that everyone and everything should fit into your IDEA of how things should be in the “WORLD ACCORDING TO gojira”,
because if gojira understands it in gojira’s way… It must be so!
The fact you have no idea of what a respiratory therapist is leads me to understand you have education in the medical field. So I question how you feel you can even question my credentials. If you MUST know… an RT is responsible for Life Support Systems and patient management. Respiratory Gases like o2, Co2, NO, Helium, and many more, Blood gas analysis and management, the NUMBER ONE person for CODE BLUE’s and intubations, Trauma medicine, administering life saving drugs etc. Advanced physiology in chemical and mechanical aspects of Cardiopulmonary medicine that would confuse most MD’s!!!
I was at the most advanced medical facilities on this planet. UCLA (One of the top liver transplant hospitals in the world BTW)& Children’s Hospital Los Angeles where not even the FDA touched the research we did saving lives on a daily basis. We where the 1st and biggest users of Nitric Oxide (NO). I did helicopter & aircraft flight life support transports of new borns delivered at 22 weeks that would fit in the palm of your hand!
Credentialed in BCLS, ACLS, NALS, PALS, CPR & CPR Instruction, EMT, RRT, ECMO, Flight Transport, Pulmonary Functions, ABG’s, ect, ect, ect…
I also achieved ultrasound specialties in HEART, GENERAL & VASCULAR. I own & operate 2 Ultrasound companies specializing in diagnostic studies, consultation and MD ultrasound business solutions. Many years of Medical and business education. ect, ect, ect,
I never claim to know it all and I read to educate myself and trust the opinion of those who succeed… (gojira, your profile pictures look like you live in a trailer) I have a very good knowledge in what I do and will stand toe to toe on ANY MD or medical Pro on my knowledge.
I really hope people like gojira stop posting here unless you have something positive to add!!! People like HER need to get there own life or at least a real bike!!! BTW gojira your old man looks like he needs to hit the gym… With your 1200 or so posts says that you have a better relationship typing on the computer…
Sorry for the BS everyone…
I never claim to know it all and I read to educate myself and trust the opinion of those who succeed… (gojira, your profile pictures look like you live in a trailer) I have a very good knowledge in what I do and will stand toe to toe on ANY MD or medical Pro on my knowledge.
I really hope people like gojira stop posting here unless you have something positive to add!!! People like HER need to get there own life or at least a real bike!!! BTW gojira your old man looks like he needs to hit the gym… With your 1200 or so posts says that you have a better relationship typing on the computer…
Sorry for the BS everyone…
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So, it depends where a person lives, their bike and the condition of their spouse that allows them to have an opinion on someone thats posts to the public? Phileaux