New to Gear & What I've Gained

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[quote]Med Pro wrote:
Day 7:

Injection of:

500mg of Organon Sostenon 250mg
300mg of Organon Deca Durabolin 50mg (nandrolone decanoate)

Used a 10cc syringe yellow top 20guage needle.

I drew up 6cc of Deca and 2 cc’s of Sostenon 250. I heated up the stuff in hot water for 2 min before injection.

After injection I rubbed the are hard for 10 min or so to help dispurse the oil evenly. I’m expecting a fever and soreness again I day post injection.

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Holy shit did you really inject 8ml’s in one spot! that’s allot of oil in your ass.

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[quote]Med Pro wrote:
DAY 4: Sept 07.2006

OK Things are better. Fever was gone the next day and Sus250 pain & swelling gone. Will do again on Sunday. I have been training twice a day very hard. My fear is over training… But for now I feel very good with little muscle soreness.

My diet is MEAT! MEAT! MEAT!
3 cans of tuna for Bfast, 3cans for lunch & 16oz of beef for Dinner. The protein powder after taste makes me a little sick so I’ve upped my meat intake. I eat some fruit but it’s limited. I take 2 multi’s, E, C, B complex, in the morning and liquid amino’s & creatine Pre and Post workouts.

This diet is very easy for me & I see no problems maintaining it. I also drink a hell of a lot of water!!! At least a gallon a day! It dose not seen however urination comes close to my intake however the flow is normal. Bowel movements have decreased though. Maybe from all the protein I eat?
I’m eating about 2300-2500 Cals per day.

I want bigger muscles but I do not want to get fat!

For the level of workouts I do I’m surprised at the lack of pain or fatigue! Very good recovery… This is why I worry about over training.

My blood labs Be for all this were normal. My Bp is 120-130/80-90.
Will recheck Labs to include Liver & Bili fuction as well as hormone levels and neg andro effects at the End of Sept06 and 1 month after my cycle.
I will post them for all…
So far no gyno or hair loss… To early I know.

Just to let you know, I do urinalysis dips every other day as I’m in the Med Field. I do self ultrasound exams of my prostate size and shape and of my heart kenetics and ejection fraction.
I am a Ultrasound tech with specialty in cardiac, vascular and general. I am also a repiratory therapist and have indepth education in physiologic O2, No2, Co2, Bicarp, Vo2 Physiology pathophysiology of nuerologic and cardiac fuction. I consult MD’s often about High protein diet’s. Whats said by a Urology is fluid intake is important and try an avoid high sodium as this combo will lead to kidney stones.

I’m starting Cardio today and plan to do 15 min treadmill @ 5-7mph for 15-20 daily!

My arm length from
wrist to elbow:12in
elbow to shoulder:11in
total arm length: 23in
Bicep 16.25"
Chest 49.5"
foot to knee 22"
knee to groin 33"
foot to hip 44"
Height 6’0
weight 238lbs

I like the advice people have. I wish I had more time to research!
I’m sorry I waisted some peoples time with my post. Back off a little with the Roid Rage! I see there are some opinions that I need to stop what I’m doing. I’m no expert but I’m doing the best I can. People that say AAS are bad or I shouldn’t be on them make me think of the politics that dislike them. I wonder why Govenment wont go after people like Pepsi of Kripy Cream with products that are killing us more than AAS? At least those that use gear are attemting to better them self!
I look forward to you help…
Thanks…

RoidEnthusiast…Got a million bucks?
THANKS FOR THE INFO!

I’m 72" tall
My middle finger to middle finger measures: 76"
I tell You bro… I’m very strong! But look shity!

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You are a train wreck waiting to happen pal. 18 mos. of training with no real purpose and eating with no real purpose and you expect what? Greatness? You are acting like a tool.

Do you not know that to be extra ordinary you have to do unordinary things. You want the fast cure? Hmmm. You are on your way to a train wreck. Don’t be a tool. You posting to ask a question? Ask. You posting to get props I doubt any are coming your way! You are an ultrasound tech and you think that makes you a med pro? Wow. You need an education in humility, you are obviously immature with an inflated ego. I’m surprised you are over 30 with this type of mind set.

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[quote]Med Pro wrote:
Wow…
ojira Total Posts:1214
maxx power Total Posts:351

Now I know what I’m up against!!!
A couple of forum whores that seek negitive attention.

BTW MAXX POWER is it??? I out perform your stats prior to steroids on my shity as diet “and” trained only 1.5 years… How long did you say you trained with your superstar methods!!! Like I thought… A couple of forum whores!!! ojira… sounds like you can use some estrogen!!! Seek help woman with that mouth of yours! Sounds like you C _ _ K envy!!!

Quit waisting my time and post somewhere else…

gojira
Quote ?Gear is something to be considered once you’ve reached a point at which gains are no longer coming and progress seems to be stalling. Usually after one has been training for at least 5 or 10 years. Not 1.5 years. You don’t even know how to train yet, so how can your progress be stalling. So you are just wasting the gear and putting your health at risk with your shotgun approach.

So the only reason someone should used to gear it is because they can only further with their training?

So you disagree with somewhat wanting to accelerate their gains in one to two years rather that 5 to 10 years?

Despite my increased performance and a gym, you believe I’m wasting gear and my health at Risk? Then you Quote "I believe it can be used safely and with great benefits??!?!?!?!

Which is it? Safe or unsafe?

Quote ?you don’t know what the fuck you are doing. You just started training and have not learned how to train properly or how to eat?

Previously I was I’m unmotivated to be diligent with my Diet as I’m sure most of us are. But rather than criticize that I don’t know how eat, advise me with what I’ve posted is wrong with my diet. In the military we had a saying, " Don?t complain unless you have a solution". So tell me, what is wrong with my diet? You also complained that I’m not training correctly. How would you know? When I first started in the gym and one-half years ago, I could hardly bench 185. I have come a long way and have gained considerable strength. In my eyes it?s genetic. In my eyes I have hit a wall with growth! This ?silly "cycle? is recommended by research averages proven successful. Do you think you have better cycle plan?

I don?t hate you man, but I deal with your kind in business and people like you always think you have to skate up hill to get anywhere!

LEMON HEAD
QUOTE? I really should have stuck with my first post bitching about getting my two minutes back.

OP you obviously know everything there is to know about this, so why bother asking advice or posting for comments?

I thought that?s all you ever did was Bitch??? I bet you bitch just to bitch! I bet if I look around your bitch lemon head is in another post bitching. So quit Bitching about you 2 min as I see your one of these forum whores that has no other reason for life than to waist your time bitching. I bet you would bitch even for one min. Why did you bother commenting anyhow? Oh I remember?. BITCH! LEMON HEAD I NEVER ASKED ANYONE FOR ANY DAMM ADVICE YOU IDIOT! DAMMMM! READ THE TITLE OF THE DAMMM THREAD!!! I am posting
?MY? experience, again slower so you can understand

? M Y E X P E R I E N C E? of what I am doing?

Oh and yes, just for you LEMON HEAD pictures will be posted Pre & Post. You?re funny mannn?..
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Listen pal these people are trying to help you. You did not learn how to train right, or eat right and you are looking for aas cover your mistakes. That is what people are trying to tell you. You don’t know how to train or eat. So steroids are a waste of time until then.

Will you get results? Yes. Will they be lasting results? Probably not. Why? Because your training is shit and so is your diet. Want to know what to do? Want a solution? Read about nutrition, read about training. Want authors? Eric Cressey, Mike Robertson, John Berardi, John Davies, Chad Waterbury, David Barr, Mel Siff. From your earlier posts though you lack drive, you state you’re unmotivated on diet. Well you can’t have great results naturally with out a good diet and good training.

As I said before you seem to know that so you decided to use AAS. I don’t think you realize that you are writting everything you are writting to get approval. Now that people are telling you that what you are doing is wrong you are getting upset. Well you are being a tool. Stop being a tool, take responsibility for your stupidity and ask some questions.

You mention the military when you defend yourself. Do you think that because you were in the military that means you know all? That is a very typical military mindset. Do you think that because you did things one way in the military that is the right way? Well there is a reason you see so many contractors in the military environment, that is becuase many things are better done with more thought and less of the I know it all because I’ve been in long enough to have more rank that you mentality.

Grow up. Or don’t, but please don’t pro-create with your attitude.

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“I also plan to eat a lot of very dried meat loaf.”

“I also plan to eat a lot of very dried meat loaf.”

“I also plan to eat a lot of very dried meat loaf.”

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Give this guy a break, he is no posting asking for advice on his diet habits or training, so you really shouldn’t comment on it. If he has a fucked up diet and training program, fuck it, thats him. This is a forum for gear, nothingless. Rather answer his question to the extent he is asking or don’t. No need to flame anyone.
Ex: Sombody asks would XXX Mg a day be ok?

Your answer should be, yes and he is why

OR No and he is why…

Not OMGWTF you only been training for 2 years…

Jesus people, be part of the solution and not the problem.

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[quote]maxx power wrote:

Med Pro wrote:
Day 5:

Overall my enery level is good with little to no fatuige. 2 days before my second injections. This time I’m going to mix Deca & Sus250 in the same syringe and use a deeper needle like an 18 guage. Last time I use a 22 guage blue tipped needle.

Not sure how much research you have done. But you are in for a nice puncture when you goto shove that 18g pencil into your ass.

Such a newby mistake surely questions your medical background, but, again, that pencil sticking out your ass may make you go back and read up a bit.
For Coldiron, you can mix different steroids in the same syringe, provided that they have the same base. Deca/Sust are both oil based.

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maxx power
Thanks for answering my question

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Glad you got started. You have to start somewhere! Don’t feel too bad. We all didn’t shoot out of our mothers knowing everything there is too know about juice. Yea your post sucks big fat green donkey cock but you can slide me a pm anytime. If I can’t answer it I will find someone that will. Help any way I can.

Biscuite

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[quote]Med Pro wrote:
Day 7:

Injection of:

500mg of Organon Sostenon 250mg
300mg of Organon Deca Durabolin 50mg (nandrolone decanoate)

Used a 10cc syringe yellow top 20guage needle.

I drew up 6cc of Deca and 2 cc’s of Sostenon 250. I heated up the stuff in hot water for 2 min before injection.

After injection I rubbed the are hard for 10 min or so to help dispurse the oil evenly. I’m expecting a fever and soreness again I day post injection.

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Med Pro,
I would think 8cc’s of oil-based AAS in one injecton site is too much. I would break it up into 4cc’s and 4cc’s.

If not, make sure you inject slow and really massage the area after.

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DAY 11:

Finally some of you understand this post!!!
I?m not asking people for there advice though if given with decency is always welcome!

Let me be clear to everyone, I am motivated I?m training very hard, I have been training 2hrs around lunch with cardio and 80 percent intensity and 90-110% 6hrs later,

I am eating with a plan, I have read & understand what I?m doing, I plan to keep what I?ve gained, I have the luxury of close lab evaluation of blood & urine,

I am being honest with my reports, I am sharing my experience with what I?ve gained. Do you really think I care that some of you are of the opinion that I should stop?!?!? Stop wasting your time.

Brian Whiddon & stumpy,

I was a little weaker Tuesday Sept 11th? But still pushed myself. I backed off the cardio a little thinking maybe I?m pushing a little to hard. In the army I was able to do 11:54 min 2 mile runs & now its 20min. Sux but getting better!

BP still normal 128/83. Urine gravity out of range understandably with what I?ve been taking. Otherwise everything is going well. No fatigue and my recovery has been great!

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great post, i like the day by day analysis. keep it up.

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you must like pain. A 20ga sewer pipe is normally used for drawing only. The guage doesn’t affect the depth of the injection (you do know this right?) I can’t imagine 8cc in one spot that is fucking crazy. You’d be better off with bi-weekly injections to keep blood levels steady

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H Christ man!!! This is nuts, been training for almost 10 years and no AAS use!! But if you know what you’re doing more power to ya! You do don’t you? LOL! I just want to see the before and afters if you are still alive, which I’m sure you’ll be! Probably be a freaking gorilla!!

By the way check out Biotest’s Metabolic Drive shakes if you aren’t drinking them, or Optimum Nutrition’s Gold 100% Whey. Both are really tasty, couldn’t tell but sounded like you didn’t like the ones your were drinking.

I’d definitely aim for 1.5-2g of protein per pound of bodyweight at the least on these drugs! Not sure if you’ll want more Nolva either sounds like you should have gotten alittle more. But not sure how many mg pills you got.

Also with that much tuna I’d supplement NAC in there for your liver, to rid the excess mercury filtering.

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DAY 15:
240lbs
Arm size went up to 17"!!!

Big Ben: I’ll try the Biotest stuff.
I am using the ON 100% Whey w BCAAs from optimumnutrition.com and adding Iron-Tel Liquid Amino pre/post workouts… Very NASTY after taste that comes up for hours…

I’ll have to figue out how to post pictures when I get a little time… But I will post them!

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How do you get inside the gym wall? Is there a secret compartment behind the leg press?

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Med, I’m likein this thread more and more.You seem to be getting your shit together…Oh do what ben said about the before and after pics.LOL!!! J/K bro! Keep up the good work.

biscuite

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Large small-gauge needles:

Folks seem freaked out about that. Apart from the discomfort or scariness of needles that big, I think that there is a valid concern about scarring of the muscle tissue over time. So smaller is better from a tissue damage point of view.

(And just for another extreme’s perspective, one can draw and inject oil with an insulin syringe. Of course it is small doses and takes a bit of time. The IM injections are not deep, but need not be deeper for small amounts (one needs low body fat). I was doing HRT injections with #23 1.5" once a week and switched to #29 .5" ED and after feeling how that was changed to EOD. The #29 needle is only 1/2" long, so that helps with the flow.)

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I’ve heard alot of cycles of Nolva being 40mg for 3 weeks starting the day off cycle and then 20mg for 1 week after the 3. But that was mostly for pro-hormone type supplements.

But I haven’t been on anything stronger than 1-AD, which I just used Formestane and Trib post cycle. So just watch it, if you are not noticing any bad sides you should be good, it sounds like you know what you are doing anyway. If you find you need more Nolva I know a guy that has it here in the states for $15 for 60 20mg pills.

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DAY 17:

So far what I experience is a VERY SPEEDY recovery & NO Fatigue shortly after my workout even though I train to muscle failure.

Last week I felt a little weird, not myself, couldnt put my finger on it, just felt weird but so far Im happy with what Im doing.

Plan to have liver enzymes checked next week.

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DAY 21:

All the Vitamins I take causes increased concentrated urine 2-3 hrs after taking which was not the case when I first started. Urine laboratory dips are still normal with trace protein, however in normal range.

Weight has come down to 238lbs I think from less water retention. My BP is still normal.

There is muscle increase.

Arms are now 17 1/4 for 16in
Chest is now 49 1/2 from 49in

To all those asses that were negative to my decision to start cycling, TWO DOUBLE HANDED FINGERS AT YA!!!

Is this stuff worth it and would I do it again? Yep! This stuff is the shit! I can see how people double & triple the stuff I do.

Anyone know how to post pictures on this site?