New Sucralose Study Showing DNA Damage

I don’t think anyone thinks that artificial sweeteners are great, but the science on them has been just inconclusive enough that everybody can find a study that confirms their priors.

That said, the most recent study from The Journal of Toxicology & Environmental Health strongly suggests that Sucralose causes DNA damage.

(https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10937404.2023.2213903)

Looks pretty bad, so I’m wondering if the Metabolic Drive product managers are considering moving to a stevia-based sweetener.

I wish they would consider real sugar

We have a full article by @Cy_Willson coming out about this recent study soon. For now, here are some highlights from Cy:

The headlines are, of course, meant to scare the bejesus out of you by implying that the sweetener can cause DNA damage and subsequently lead to cancer, but that’s not actually what the study found.

A “genotoxic effect” is another way of saying that it may cause damage to DNA. However, simply because something is genotoxic (damages DNA) doesn’t mean it will also be mutagenic (damages DNA and causes an irreversible mutation that could potentially lead to a cancerous cell).

Sucralose 6-acetate (S6A) is NOT mutagenic. It may be genotoxic in vitro. However, the data are based on results in cultured cells, not actual living organisms. Perhaps, more importantly, were the outrageously high concentrations required to reach a potentially genotoxic effect.

The authors indicate that they had to use at least 353 micrograms per milliliter or higher to begin generating evidence of a genotoxic effect.

Now, compare this to the peak plasma concentration of 108 nanograms (a microgram is 1,000 times bigger than a nanogram) per milliliter an adult human is exposed to after a 68 mg dose of sucralose (4). That’s over a 3,000-fold difference! Now consider that S6A would only be present at a fraction (< 1%) of sucralose levels, and the difference would be even larger.

In terms of fitness speak, it’s as absurd as going around telling people you bench “200” when you mean grams instead of pounds!

Specifically, the authors note that the EFSA has a suggested threshold of concern for genotoxic agents at 0.15 micrograms per person per day and that a single serving of a drink flavored with sucralose would exceed this threshold by several fold. The problem, as we’ve discussed, is that S6A is not genotoxic, except at concentrations that no human could ever reach without first dying from water intoxication from drinking hundreds if not thousands of liters of flavored beverages.

You’ll likely continue to see ripples from this study as its preposterous findings percolate through the masses. Unfortunately, in vitro studies are prone to exploitation by utilizing high concentrations to achieve a given outcome.

This isn’t unique to this study. In general, be skeptical of in vitro studies and always evaluate the concentrations being used. In short, there’s no good evidence that sucralose or S6A is genotoxic at any concentrations that are conceivably relevant to human exposure.

You’ve got enough to worry about, but sucralose causing cancer isn’t one of them. – Cy Willson

(Those are just a few paragraphs, somewhat out of context and order. Complete article coming soon.)

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Phew. Thanks for sharing that, Chris! Looking forward to the rest of the article.

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lolz.

Whenever they do these tests, I’m always wary of the “in vitro” vs “in living organisms” distinction. I’ve also seen when the concentrations they use for testing are insane (as seems to be the case here). Given that I have no idea what concentration levels are realistic in the real world, thanks for clearing that up.

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Here’s another way to look at it: It would take drinking 50,000 cans of diet soda over a two-hour period to approximate the levels where DNA damage occurred.

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Challenge accepted!

Oh sure. I bet you can’t do more than 20, 30,000 tops. Not without salty pretzels, anyhow.

I don’t drink diet soda for both health and taste reasons, although I admit there is only emerging evidence that these fake sweeteners are detrimental to our health. Heck, our ex-president drinks a 12-pack+ a day of diet Coke and is still kicking at nearly 80 while being obese.

But, I would counter with this: have you ever seen a healthy, thriving individual that regularly consumes artificial sweeteners? Especially that’s over the age of 40 - 50? Maybe I’m biased by living in Cali with people obsessed about natural and whole foods, but whenever I see someone walking around with sucralose-sweetened drink they are not the type I’d want to emulate.

Agree 100%.

Well, me I guess. But I beg to differ. I don’t think I’ve met many (any?) lifters who don’t rely heavily on artificial sweeteners. (And I lived in Cali for 30 years.) I use them in my coffee and if the wife bakes, she uses Sucralose instead of sugar. And, of course, I drink protein powder sweetened with Sucralose.

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Nice to meet you.

https://t-nation.com/t/better-at-48-than-28/282946/11

However to your point probably not the best to consume them. My new goal is to go completely sweetness free to take the misery up to the next level.

@TC_Luoma wonder how many studs will drink the new unflavored Metabolic Drive option?

:sweat_smile:

And before anyone pats themselves on the back with Truvia (sorry Cargill)…

Make sure you are pounding some aspirin along with the Test and Truvia on your strawberries.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-023-01504-6

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-023-01504-6/figures/1

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02223-9

I think that comes down to those people already being unhealthy and thinking “I’ll stop having so much sugar and use sweetener instead” rather than the sweetener having absolutely anything to do with the state they are in.

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Ok, further motivated by this thread I have gone nuclear and just switched to unflavored protein powder. Thanks.

Do we count Jon Andersen?

He looks like he’ll be dead by 60, so, no, I wouldn’t label him as a healthy, thriving individual.

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I am curious what leads you to make that evaluation?

Performance-enhancing drugs, huge weight swings (he was listed at 309 lbs as a competitor), and a diet of fake powders and sweeteners are not the ingredients of a long life. Bodybuilders in general die at a rate higher than (or at least the same) as the average American. Among average Americans, over 40% are obese and many smoke and abuse alcohol, so matching their collective longevity is nothing to brag about. I look at him and see someone who’s clearly jacked, but I certainly don’t look at him and think “wow, what a healthy individual to emulate”.

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I appreciate you sharing your perspective. I do not share the perspective THAT you shared, but I understand it.

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Do you really? Historical Odds would say no. Former Professional wrestler and IFBB Pro BB.

You got his bloodwork and current stack? I dont see his stack on his website. It is 2023 not 1983. We know a little more now of what is behind the curtain.

Awesome he made it to 51 though. Ozzy genes.

BTW: 530% increase in TT? Wow!!

LOL…

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