You know when you are benching 500-600 lbs. ,shirted, and raw with boards and lockouts, every single week late in a training cycle you are going to have some aches and pains and i have learned to keep it to minimum. Don’t be a jackass by commenting on a kind of training that you have no clue about, I don’t.[/quote]
First of all, how do you know what I know about or don’t?
You don’t even know who Keith is…
Second–go back to what you said on the first page of this topic, re-read it, and get back to me about being a jackass.
Beyond that, I’m done with you.
I respect both raw and equipped lifters. they require different kinds of strengths and its almost like 2 different sports. I said I’d like to see Mendy put up a grand in competition and i still do. Not saying he can’t but I would like to see it that’s all. Maybe in the WPO. If he benched over a grand in the WPO it would be bigger news than any of his raw records and probably bigger news than Gene’s grand. I think a bigger emphasis is put on equipped lifting. Whether or not that is just is not my place to say. I hope this thread curls up and dies now because this is really pointless.
[quote]beefcakemdphd wrote:
“One of the countries best SHW juniors just suffered a pec tear, when lifting raw.”
Given the nature of the topic, your above mentioned statement would imply that you believe that somehow this SHW junior tore his pec because he lifted raw, and that he would have been saved by wearing a bench shirt.
-beefcakemdphd[/quote]
you mean much the same way you said that there is multiple injuries while wearing gear but failed to provide any?
I treat injuries. I’ve been on the Medical staff at he Arnold Classic the las tthree years. Before that I’ve worked on Ironman race competitors in Hawaii and Lake Placid. And I’m old(41).
Gear has allowed me to continue to compete. I compete in the APF, soon, and have competed in the IPA. They both allow monolifts and supportive gear.
Personally, I would not be competing now without gear. I would also not be giving Dave Tate money if I wasn’t competing. And I wouldn’t be giving Ginny Phillips money. And John Inzer. And if these guys don’t make money, we don’t have meets. and even less interest in powerlifting.
Powerlifting and other weight sports will never be pure or never be big. We like them because we like lifting. I love lifting. My boy loves lifting. My girls think it’s somethign weird Dad does. they think the monolioft is weird and dragging the seld is weird.
The average person doesn’t care either way.
Now more me, using gear has increase my raw lifts. I can handle more weight on my back than ever before and I don’t even walk weights out, hahaha. My shoulder impingement is manageable with the judicious use of equipment and working with various board heights to increase my lockout. Guys like me can’t use shirts, guys like me can’t compete in a asport we love. Then we put in less money and time in the sport.
I’m a moderator for a famous equipment seller. I volunteer time to answer questions for the guys who have some injury questions. The more people you keep in the sport, the better it is for the sport.
Equipped lifting gets more press, not because it’s better, but because it’s new. It’s more interesting to see the equipped bench go up 200+ pounds than the raw bench go up 10 pounds in 20 years. and yes, they are differeent lifts. It’s crazy to think that 715 is nothing raw, but i9t is less interesting for a guy old Enough to remember Jim Williams do 700 in 71-72, or over 30 years ago.
[quote]beefcakemdphd wrote:
“One of the countries best SHW juniors just suffered a pec tear, when lifting raw.”
Given the nature of the topic, your above mentioned statement would imply that you believe that somehow this SHW junior tore his pec because he lifted raw, and that he would have been saved by wearing a bench shirt.
-beefcakemdphd[/quote]
This SHW you speak of is one of my best friends and his tear had nothing to do with the fact that he was lifting raw. He wasn’t even going full range when it happened. Plus it isn’t bad enough to keep him out of competing at seniors. I really don’t see how his injury is relevant to this discussion. People have been injured in gear and while lifting raw. Big deal. It’s a possible risk of the sport. Just as many sports have the risk of injury so does lifting.
At the risk of sounding like an idiot…I dont get the stats page on Scotts site. Whats and Intercontinental lift?
Also it says his all time bench record is 875.32 Can anyone clear this up?
I wonder how much help he got on that 1000 lbs. lift? The videos are impressive. So is the fact that the man didnt need to grow an enormous gut to be as strong as he is.
Not that it means anything but damn some of these guys are outta control and just asking for heart trouble. I wish them well however and hope there health is fine. No disrespect intended. Just an observation.
Whatever happened to that guy Pellachia who Raved about his 1000 lbs “Assisted” Bench? I think Mike Mahler interviewed him for this site.
the point I was making was to dispell the notion of ‘protection’ that gear can give to you. Certainly the earlier prototypes, i.e. Inzer blast, does pull on the humerous in such a way as an artifical rotator cuff. I was challenging Cycomico’s contention that that particular lifter was injured because he was lifting raw.