That is just insane. Fucking insane.
didn’t think my motivation level could be higher than it was. -I was wrong…
i really want to try shoulder pressing like that…
Fuck…I swear in the videos, even at a young age, it just looks like somebody photoshopped his face onto that huge body. Damn dude is HUGE! Definitely a lot of hard work went into this physique, impressive as hell.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
those Russians/Eastern Euro’s love their behind the neck pressing…[/quote]
It’s one of the pros of being Russian.
We can do shit people around the world can’t, from surviving deadly doses of alcohol to doing btn presses.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
those Russians/Eastern Euro’s love their behind the neck pressing…[/quote]
It’s one of the pros of being Russian.
We can do shit people around the world can’t, from surviving deadly doses of alcohol to doing btn presses.
[/quote]
An underrated exercise that’s for sure. If one has healthy shoulders, they are kick ass. If one doesn’t have healthy shoulders, then GET healthy shoulders just so you can do this exercise…
Another Russian, Mr. Klokov
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
check out his crazy ass shoulder pressing…
Wow.
What a machine. Impressively strong.
That face with that body though… like a baby… just like Stewie Griffin during his hypertrophy phase…
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
those Russians/Eastern Euro’s love their behind the neck pressing…[/quote]
It’s one of the pros of being Russian.
We can do shit people around the world can’t, from surviving deadly doses of alcohol to doing btn presses.
[/quote]
An underrated exercise that’s for sure. If one has healthy shoulders, they are kick ass. If one doesn’t have healthy shoulders, then GET healthy shoulders just so you can do this exercise…
Another Russian, Mr. Klokov
It’s not just a question of healthy shoulders really, it’s a combination of shoulder flexibility + something to do with the scapula… there was an article about it I think, I’ll see if I can find it.
But amazing exercise, a beard instantly grows out of your face when you do a few reps.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
That face with that body though… like a baby… just like Stewie Griffin during his hypertrophy phase…
[/quote]
hahaha
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
It’s not just a question of healthy shoulders really, it’s a combination of shoulder flexibility + something to do with the scapula… there was an article about it I think, I’ll see if I can find it.
But amazing exercise, a beard instantly grows out of your face when you do a few reps.[/quote]
Is this exercise a no-go for people with scap issues then?
[quote]Mr_White wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
It’s not just a question of healthy shoulders really, it’s a combination of shoulder flexibility + something to do with the scapula… there was an article about it I think, I’ll see if I can find it.
But amazing exercise, a beard instantly grows out of your face when you do a few reps.[/quote]
Is this exercise a no-go for people with scap issues then?[/quote]
Possibly, yes.
Also those with impingement issues, rotator cuff issues, and bicep tendon issues (where connected to shoulder joint).
I started doing seated behind the head press recently and i love it. Don’t get any pain and is pretty comfortable.
Working up to 225lbs, i like it because it eliminates leg drive etc. Anyone got an idea what he had on the bar in that vid?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Mr_White wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
It’s not just a question of healthy shoulders really, it’s a combination of shoulder flexibility + something to do with the scapula… there was an article about it I think, I’ll see if I can find it.
But amazing exercise, a beard instantly grows out of your face when you do a few reps.[/quote]
Is this exercise a no-go for people with scap issues then?[/quote]
Possibly, yes.
Also those with impingement issues, rotator cuff issues, and bicep tendon issues (where connected to shoulder joint).
[/quote]
I think the “dangerous nature” of this exercise is a bit exagerated. Last year I injured both delts and when I tried btn presses they felt more “natural” and pain free than any other press I did. Sure, people shouldn’t be trying to load up 240 on a bar if they’re doing it for the first time, I think the origin of all the injuries concerning this lift is people using way too much on an “alien” exercise. Anyone thinking of giving these a try should start really light and see if there will be any pain or instability, and keep doing this for a while, THEN add weight to the bar. Even if one finds it impossible to go down all the way to the traps, then it’s possible just to bring the bar to the back of the head.
A wide grip would ensure more shoulder stimuli vs triceps/biceps stress.
But I guess it’s a “tial and error” thing, on one end of the spectrum we have Alexey Lesukov and Ed Coan doing full room btn presses and on the other end we get people who tear the shit out of themselves with 100lbs…
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Mr_White wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
It’s not just a question of healthy shoulders really, it’s a combination of shoulder flexibility + something to do with the scapula… there was an article about it I think, I’ll see if I can find it.
But amazing exercise, a beard instantly grows out of your face when you do a few reps.[/quote]
Is this exercise a no-go for people with scap issues then?[/quote]
Possibly, yes.
Also those with impingement issues, rotator cuff issues, and bicep tendon issues (where connected to shoulder joint).
[/quote]
I think the “dangerous nature” of this exercise is a bit exagerated. Last year I injured both delts and when I tried btn presses they felt more “natural” and pain free than any other press I did. Sure, people shouldn’t be trying to load up 240 on a bar if they’re doing it for the first time, I think the origin of all the injuries concerning this lift is people using way too much on an “alien” exercise. Anyone thinking of giving these a try should start really light and see if there will be any pain or instability, and keep doing this for a while, THEN add weight to the bar. Even if one finds it impossible to go down all the way to the traps, then it’s possible just to bring the bar to the back of the head.
A wide grip would ensure more shoulder stimuli vs triceps/biceps stress.
But I guess it’s a “tial and error” thing, on one end of the spectrum we have Alexey Lesukov and Ed Coan doing full room btn presses and on the other end we get people who tear the shit out of themselves with 100lbs…
[/quote]
I agree. BTN press just feel more natural than standard military press for me. Its definitely a move that takes some time perfecting.
Thanks for sharing the knowlegde BBB 
Anecdotal evidence from Don Howorth who basically just did these for shoulders supersetted with one other exercise, I think it was front raises, had no problems or pain until he was 60 and now they constantly nag and hurt. Once I find the source talking about it I’ll post it
edit: looks like his shoulder pain was in a different interview. I’ll find it sooner or later
I mentioned the fact Don was highly promoted by Vince Gironda and that Vince
had said some very nice things about Don to me. I went on to say I knew Vince was on a
kick against pressing movements for building delt sizeâ?¦ again; Don stopped me in mid
sentence. â??Yeah, right. Well Iâ??ve done thousands of barbell, smith machine, and
dumbbell presses.â?? â??If you want to add size and mass you need to press, and press heavy.
You canâ??t beat pressing movements.â?? â??I do lateral work and sometimes cable work but
my main stay has been pressing movements.â?? â??The delts consist of three different heads
and youâ??ve got to work all of them if you want all around development.â??
Promotion shot of Don wearing one of Vinceâ??s Gym Tank Tops
Picture was taken behind Vinceâ??s Gym.
We talked about sets and reps and as experienced bodybuilders know, every top
champion changes routines, follows various methods and concepts, and experiments
constantly in order to discover what works best. Don was no different. He left nothing to
chance in his training.
Although he did alternate his training, some movements were mainstays in his
workouts. Don stated, â??Iâ??ve done them all but what I would consider my basic routine, 5
the one Iâ??ve had the most success with, is barbell press behind the neck super-setted with
bent over rear dumbbell raises.â?? â??I stick with this program almost constantly.â?? â??A lot of
whatâ??s in the magazines about my training is just crap.â?? Well, I guess that takes care of
what I had been reading. Don went on to say; â??I sometimes combine behind the neck
chins with rear delt raises for a change of pace.
Don said most articles failed to discuss the most important aspect of deltoid
training, that being width. He pointed out, and rightfully so, that most articles were
concerned with size and remained silent on width. It has been reported that Steve Reeves
is the one who pointed out the importance of shoulder width to Don. Steve introduced
Don to some exercises and concepts for training shoulders and from that day on, shoulder
training became the most important for Don.
Although Don did not indicate to me at any time during our conversation that he
used the following program. I had seen variations of it in several publications and they
quoted Don as saying it was the routine he followed. I donâ??t remember Don denying it
but I also donâ??t recall his suggesting it was accurate. Besides, he already said much of
what was written about his training was â??crap.â?? Taking that which I read in some
magazines and adding what Don himself told me, I came up with the following delt
routine I used to push my shoulders to new growth and move beyond sticking points.
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Press Behind The Neck.
Here is the most important exercise in the program and one Don admits to using on a
regular basis if not exclusively. This movement works the structure like no other and
must be performed exactly as outlined for best results. The press behind the neck can be
performed seated or standing. Don prefers to perform it while seated to prevent cheating.
He grips the bar with a wide grip and lowers it down until it touches the back of the neck
just below the hairline, immediately he will press it back overhead to a full lockout. He
tenses the delts at the top and pauses for a two count before lowing the bar again. Eight
sets of six reps with as much weight as he can handle. 6 -
The next two movements are performed in super-set fashion. Immediately after
completing the first set of the first movement perform the first set of the second
movement, and then take a short rest before continuing on to the next set.
First Movement. One Arm Press. While standing, hold a dumbbell in one hand at
shoulder level and grab a bench or post with the other hand for stability. Now perform
one arm dumbbell presses for eight reps holding the dumbbell in the raised position for a
two count, lower and repeat. After eight reps, switch to the other arm for eight reps.
Immediately move to the next super-set exercise.
Second Movement. Side Incline Raises. Position yourself on your side lying on an incline
bench. Hold a dumbbell in your hand not quite touching your thigh. Now slowly but in a
rhythmic motion raise the dumbbell as high as you can. Once at the top twist your hand
so your little finger (pinky) is pointing toward the ceiling. This little move really
contracts the deltoid. Perform eight reps, switch to the other arm and then take a brief rest
before continuing on to the One Arm Press for your second set until you have completed
four super-sets.
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Dumbbell Press. These are performed either sitting or standing. No need to go into a
description here as everyone is familiar with the movements. Perform four sets of eight
reps. -
Three Way Raise. This is a unique and productive movement. Begin with a pair of
dumbbells in each hand resting on the outer thighs. Now perform a side lateral raise up to
shoulder height only for five reps. For the next part of this movement, without resting
from what you have just done, with the dumbbells at shoulder height, raise them above
your head for five reps. and the final part of the movement consists of starting with the
dumbbells at the thighs and raising them all the way overhead for five reps.
Three separate actions performed, one immediately after the other, for a total of five sets
of 15 reps (5 reps from thigh to shoulder, 5 reps from shoulder to overhead, 5 reps from
thigh to overhead), similar to â??21â?? Curls.
Don did say that he often would perform lat work immediately after this delt
routine as he felt it helped him develop his width to a greater extent. He suggested wide
grip chins and wide grip bent-over rows.
This is a vigorous routine to say the least and definitely not for a beginner. In fact,
most advanced bodybuilders could not follow this program without overtraining the
shoulders. Iâ??ve used it in the past with a great amount of success however; Iâ??ve used it as
a shock routine and followed it only for two weeks using it twice a week. It did get my
delts moving forward producing great results.
Although some articles have carried like descriptions citing them as Donâ??s
shoulder routine, he gave no indication as to that being the case. What I just outlined is a
workout I followed many times with great success based on the articles I had read and my
conversations with Don.
Don is genetically gifted in the shoulder region; he admits it but that never kept
him from putting an all out effort into his delt training. He trained heavy and fast, heavier
and faster than most. Don would use as heavy a weight as he could to perform each
movement and rested barely long enough between sets to catch his breath.
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
I started doing seated behind the head press recently and i love it. Don’t get any pain and is pretty comfortable.
Working up to 225lbs, i like it because it eliminates leg drive etc. Anyone got an idea what he had on the bar in that vid?[/quote]
140kg
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
check out his crazy ass shoulder pressing…
amazing stuff!!
btw, his movements are eccentric-free??
weird but it works for him…