Hello. I am a 31year old that has yet to use juice. I am in my 3rd year of lifting. I have used products such as gear cycle and n-test. Both increased sex drive and agitation, but did little to nothing in adding muscle. I am thankful for the sex-drive though.
My test levels are at 471 percent. Up from the 241 a year ago. How this happened I don’t know. I don’t know if I can credit that to the products or not. My endocrinologist suggests that if I had low levels, he’d put me on androgel, or cypionate. When I asked about other designer’s he said, “you shouldn’t do that”. My cousin took enanthate a few years back, he refers to it as depot testosterone, and took 500ml/week.
He began to have heart palpatations and had to go to his doctor to get an anxiety relief medication. He looks great and his palpatations have subsided. I thought I would start off using what I considered to be the most safe of steroids (Primo,Winstrol,Boldenon(equipoise), but after talking to some users of Equipoise, I found out that they had the same experience as my cousin.
Would the best bet for me be to take the Cypionate at a much lower dose than my cousin did the enanthate. I would love your suggestions as to what is considered the best way to begin a cycle.
There is next to no difference between the enanthate and cypionate esters. 8-10 weeks of weekly 500mg injections along with an anti-estrogen like Nolvadex and clomiphene started a couple weeks after your last injection to rekindle your natural testosterone productions is considered the classic beginner cycle.
As far as increases in blood pressure, palpitations, anxiety, etc?? All AAS (and even some supps e.g. ephedra) have the potential to increase these effects. If your prone to these issues then you must consider your risks to benefit ratios carefully. Do your research and maybe consider a test booster like Alpha Male first to gauge your reactions to increased hormonal levels.
I actually have used testosterone boosters before. The gear cycle had a methyl structure and the n-test was longjack, tribulus, dhea, and other ingredients. I did fine on all of those from a heart standpoint. But I must say they did make me more agitated, when aggrivated of course. My sex drive really increased.
I wonder if I took half of the usual dosage per week on cypionate (250ml/week) if that would be a good way to guage wether it would be a winner for me or not. We all seek that balance of increased test levels, but not to the point of suppresion or organ damage.
The more I read, the more it seems that cypionate is too side-effect oriented for me. Understandibly so, it is a mass builder. But why is it the preferred one for doctors to prescribe to patients with test problems/issues? Wouldn’t winstrol/primo be the choice for doctor’s to prescribe? A few questions I have for those of you that are more experienced than I.
First off, I have worked hard to go from a 5’11 170pounder to 220. I has taked a year to gain that first 50 pounds, and I expect I will never gain those additional pounds like that again, no matter how hard and long I train. So I will choose a steroid with caution. I know that it is conventional wisdom to start a beginner cycle on Cypionate.
But it has too many side effects for me to be confident on it as a 1st time user. It seems is if Primobolan would be the best for me. But I do not want to loose weight that I have gained, even if it meant looking harder(more defined). Now I would be satisfied staying at my weight looking a lot more muscular however. I simple would like to gain an additional 25 pounds over the next few months. Is primo a strength steroid, or simply just a cutting steroid? I wouldn’t ask these questions normally, but through my research, none of the sites answer these questions.
I would like to gain 25 and be stronger. And if a steroid is a “strength” steroid that only cuts, wouldn’t the additional strength you gain allow you to gain muscle mass?
AR: “Although estrogenic sides are not a concern, hair loss still, remains a very real concern with Primobolan, as with many DHT-Derived steroids. Many primobolan fans always include Finasteride and Ketoconazole (shampoo) in cycles containing Primobolan.”
“When men were given a 30-45mg dose of the oral version of Primo, they experienced a 15-65% decrease in gonadotropin levels (9). Remember, I said 100mgs is a good dose for gains… well, you?ll also reduce your gonadotropin levels considerably.”
Btw, finasteride is no use with Primobolan, as it’s not subject to the 5a-reductase enzyme (already being 5a-reduced) and that is the mechanism of action of that drug.
Well, my main concern would be elevated blood pressures and t-suppresion. I guess I would need high anabolic/low androgenic compounds. But most steroids that I have read about that are highly anabolic, are more of a “cutting/vascularity” type of steroid, and I have fear of that because (in my limited knowledge)I associate vascularity with extra work on the heart. I do want to be on the side of caution when using a steroid, but I don’t want to procrastinate forever, I am ready to use.
The steroids that provide my “desired” look are winstrol, equipoise, and deca. I don’t care for the dianobol, anodrol look, although those that have it look great, I just don’t need those kind of gains yet. The others look like a good cross between vascularity and water gain. Please help in determining a good steroid for me to use, since most of you are or have used them.