Do alot of people in the complex behave like that?
Haha…Liquid and a few others beat me to it…
Fuck the baseball bat under your bed…
Remington 870 Combat pump, and if you can obtain it, get your CCW/CHL/whatever your state calls their concealed carry permit, and learn how to defend yourself…I’m not joking either.
I live in a condo complex with some pretty sketchy people so I know what you’re dealing with. I’m “well equipped” to deal with some cracked out thug that decides to kick my door in at 3am.
Also, someone else pointed out, you can probably break the lease over this if it’s a serious as you make it out to be, if not, break it any way and deal with it when the time comes. The safety of your family and yourself is number 1.
Good luck and be safe.
Shotgun will make things easy. Shoot it once in a hallway and it wont matter how many of them there are. They wont bother you anymore.
Set up a camera in your car or ask if the police can put someone up there at night if you think they are going to vadalize it.
Buy a gun.
Try to one up them on the noise. If my neighbors are loud, I turn on my 100 watt all tube guitar heads at full volume and let them feedback. They get the point after that. If they are partying all night they must sleep during the day, so if you can, be extra noisy
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
And move out of the fucking ghetto.[/quote]
QFT
[quote]Khronos wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
See, I have a problem with this approach. They fucked up his car. There should be consequences.
Agreed, but what kind of consequences? If this really is the “ghetto” and this guy is out of his element, then attempting to dish out those consequences himself (with or without help) probably won’t work. He could involve the cops. This would be useful if he wants to try and get out of his lease and move (maybe not a bad plan), but the problem here is that this will take a while. Time enough for these people to mess with him more.
apwsearch wrote:
…although I don’t agree necessarily how he handled it in the first place, walking over there by himself basically puts him at their mercy and pack mentality being what it is he may even be more likely to get beat down.
If he is going to do that he better bring 3-4 friends who can handle confrontation.
The value I see in going over there alone (obviously during the day when only the people who live there are home) is that he is showing them that he is a man and not afraid. The last thing he should do is show them any fear or weakness. Facing them on their turf shows he’s not a coward. That might earn him some respect and credibility in their eyes. Credibility he lost when he called the cops on them. I like the approach of saying that they both screwed up. Him for involving the cops and them for messing with his car. A willingness on his part to start over could help to win them to his side.
After all they know that he can continue to involve the cops. If this gets him a warm reception, then he could break out the pot or some other form of peace offering (a six pack, a bottle, some protein powder, whatever it is he thinks these folks might like). Share something with them, show them that they can be on friendly terms.
This might work or they might cop an attitude with him right off the bat and then he knows that this isn’t working and just leave (in this case he probably won’t even get in the door). Ultimately I see attempting to escalate this physically will only endanger his sister and nephew. But he’s also got to show them that he won’t be pushed around. Regaining their respect in some fashion is the only way I see that he can stay there for any lenght of time unmolested.
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The problem with all that is they have already issued threats. I tend to take that seriously and expect them to be followed through on. in particular when I wake up and my car is vandalized. They clearly have no fear of retribution as it stands.
I don’t know what the solution is but get the feeling he is at a distinct disadvantage should confrontation occur.
He needs to be thinking of ways to even the odds.
[quote]kelleyb wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
And move out of the fucking ghetto.
QFT
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Ditto.
I think you did the right thing by calling the cops first. If you knew these people would be reasonable, you would have asked them on your own and it would have been cool, and if they were reasonable, they wouldn’t be raising hell at 1am on a weeknight.
I don’t play on this issue. If you wake me up on a weeknight, me and hell are going to knock on your door in our underwear and we aren’t there to negotiate. You are going to shut up and go to sleep, or I’m putting you to sleep.
It’s too late to go back and not call the cops on them.
The best thing you can do now is to go over there with no indication of fear, knock on their door and say “Hey man, I didn’t mean to fuck up your party last night. Why don’t yall come let me know the next time you are gonna be loud so we can work something out. My young nephew is staying here.”
Most likely this will earn their respect and if they want to play rough after that so be it.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Diablo9845 wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
Gun, pistol or shotgun. More suitable for close combat.
Suggestion:
Springfield 1911 .45. Nice stopping power, little recoil.
Short barrel shotgun (ie. 14 inch or less) would be better for apartment hallway fighting. No learning curve (unlike defensive pistol shooting)… just point the pipe and pull. Load with whatever you like, my personal preference is double-ott buckshot. #7 or #9 bird would have a nice spread, and if you miss with that, you have bigger problems.
18" is the minimum length for a shotgun.
I think 14" is minimum for a rifle.
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Sorry, I guess its different for us in the North. I have a 14inch Norinco knockoff of an 870. Shit, you guys can’t get Norinco either eh? Sucks, cause a $450 M-14 would be a nice deterent as well, but only if the guy is a couple hundred yards away!
Show them this picture. Tell them you have many friends like this with extremely low body fat and mad basketball skills. I’m pretty sure they’ll back off once they get a load of those abs.
Also, if your landlord refuses to do anything about the neighbors, you can move out legally. Its called a constructive eviction and it will hold water in court.
The good lord says he can get me out of this, but he’s pretty sure, you’re fooked.
Seriously. I would try to defuse it. if that doesn’t work then i would go to town and try to take these guys out (non-lethally of course).
As others have said, having some back up around is a good idea.
[quote]Diablo9845 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Diablo9845 wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
Sucks, cause a $450 M-14 would be a nice deterent as well, but only if the guy is a couple hundred yards away!
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And if you don’t mind shooting through the building across the street.
I wouldn’t go over and apologize in any way shape or form. Fuck them if they are responsible for scratching up your car, and fuck them for being loud and obnoxious into the early hours of the morning while living in close proximity to others.
In terms of self defense, if you are truly worried that something might go down, I would echo earlier suggestions of buying some firepower…a class on how to handle a gun should also be on the horizon as well, you should only pull that bad boy out when you’re willing to use it- a bit cliche I know, but still true.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Also, if your landlord refuses to do anything about the neighbors, you can move out legally. Its called a constructive eviction and it will hold water in court.[/quote]
This is interesting, I’ve never heard of that before…at least I learned something new today
To those saying he should get a concealed weapons permit … shoudl it really be concealed? I’m thinking that walking around with teh gun visible on his person would be preferable. Sort of a “projection of force.” Are you allowed to do that?
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
He needs to be thinking of ways to even the odds.
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Agreed. Right now, focus on protection. If this is as big of a problem as it seems to be, defend yourself adequately. I don’t know if this has been suggested yet, but I tend to carry a switchblade on me when I go to sketchy areas. I suggest you do the same, so that if anything happens, you have a quick means of self-defense.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Also, if your landlord refuses to do anything about the neighbors, you can move out legally. Its called a constructive eviction and it will hold water in court.
This is interesting, I’ve never heard of that before…at least I learned something new today[/quote]
It’s true, but you have to be able to prove you notified the leasing office of the problem before you go making accusations.
Sounds to me like the OP is a bit paranoid and is avoiding confrontation with anyone regarding the matter. Avoiding your noisy neighbors is one thing, but pussing out and dropping off a letter in the lease office is another. If you can’t even confront the leasing office about it then you should just move to another complex, or back home with the parent(s).
I would definitely not recommend getting a knife with plans on using this as self defense!
If you are not trained to fight with a knife you are just going to get yourself killed pulling this thing out on a bunch of people who probably DO know how to use a knife (at least better than you).
Do you know how to use a handgun? I would suggest buying one, learning how to use it (quick draw, quick reload, aim at moving targets, etc) and GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN!
[quote]Applesauce wrote:
slimjim wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Also, if your landlord refuses to do anything about the neighbors, you can move out legally. Its called a constructive eviction and it will hold water in court.
This is interesting, I’ve never heard of that before…at least I learned something new today
It’s true, but you have to be able to prove you notified the leasing office of the problem before you go making accusations.
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He said he wrote a letter. Depending on the content of that letter he could do it. I would also file a police report regarding the vandalism to the car for further evidence.