[quote]Rockscar wrote:
This may be a good legal reason to break a lease agreement.[/quote]
Fearing for the safty of yourself and your family is a great reason to get out of a lease. I would move. I would still get a gun ASAP, but I would move.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
This may be a good legal reason to break a lease agreement.[/quote]
Fearing for the safty of yourself and your family is a great reason to get out of a lease. I would move. I would still get a gun ASAP, but I would move.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
I second this. It’s probably your best bet for being there long term. Maybe buy them some weed as a peace offering? The baseball bat and shotgun aren’t bad ideas either. The good thing about the baseball bat is that you won’t accidentally kill an innocent bystander.
See, I have a problem with this approach. They fucked up his car. There should be consequences. although I don’t agree necessarily how he handled it in the first place, walking over there by himself basically puts him at their mercy and pack mentality being what it is he may even be more likely to get beat down.
If he is going to do that he better bring 3-4 friends who can handle confrontation.
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I’m not advocating an apology or peace offering by any means, because they did fuck up his car. And, a peace offering would make him look like more of a pussy. However, I think he made the first bad move by calling the cops, so talking to them face to face is the most direct way to move past it.
Escalation bad, defusing good.
I don’t think he should put himself at their mercy, obviously he shouldn’t wait until they’re having another party with 10-20 people in the house. Having 3-4 big friends hanging out nearby when he knocks on the door to talk is a very good idea too. A bat nearby is a good idea, but don’t arm yourself unless they do. This isn’t worth spending the rest of your life in jail.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
Hi everyone! I need some advice. Last night the apartment across the hall was having a party, and at 1 AM I had enough of the shenenigans and called the cops. the cops came, the music stopped, but these people are now very angry with me. I heard them the rest of the morning screaming about it, and how “They got something for me”.[/quote]
You know, I could have predicted everything you wrote after this based on this paragraph. Did you ever consider speaking to the neighbors before calling the cops? Most people not intelligent enough to understand the notion of common civility will react violently to the cops showing up at their door at 1 am.
You’d be surprised how much more respect you can get from being a neighbor than being an “enemy”. To these people you are the enemy because you called the cops.
Still, I suspect anything you do from here on out will result in a vicious cycle. Better hope the landlord evicts them before they kill your nephew…
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I’m not advocating an apology or peace offering by any means, because they did fuck up his car. And, a peace offering would make him look like more of a pussy. However, I think he made the first bad move by calling the cops, so talking to them face to face is the most direct way to move past it.
Escalation bad, defusing good.
I don’t think he should put himself at their mercy, obviously he shouldn’t wait until they’re having another party with 10-20 people in the house. Having 3-4 big friends hanging out nearby when he knocks on the door to talk is a very good idea too. A bat nearby is a good idea, but don’t arm yourself unless they do. This isn’t worth spending the rest of your life in jail. [/quote]
I agree. It’s a fucked up situation that may amount to nothing, anyway. My concern is if he doesn’t deal with it swiftly and decisively they will chose another night when they are partying, etc. to initiate the confrontation which won’t be good for anybody and will likely result in something awful.
With family members involved this just isn’t acceptable.
How did they know it was you?
^They knew it was me because we are the only non-blacks in the apartment complex.
Hey everyone thanks for the replies. So far, so good. I wrote the leasing office a long letter explaining the situation and jsut dropped it off. The lady seemed annoyed…
I should address a few points. The reason I didn’t go over there and confront them is because of a couple reasons. One, I don’t think it is my duty, or my responsibility to remind people of appropriate behavior, and the rules and guidelines of apartment life. I shouldn’t HAVE to get out of bed at 1 AM to ask my neighbors to turn their music down on a Thursday. It should be like, you know, COMMON SENSE. Two, These people are your typical ghetto trash.
Like I stated earlier, they drink every night, they are loud, they fight in the hallway, you know, typical ghetto thug trash behavior. I know damn well that if I were to go over there and ask a bunch of drunk and high ghetto prison thug trash degenerates to please turn their music down, I would have been laughed at and told to fuck off. I have dealt with trash like this before, they don’t respect anything.
I know that the leasing office will be very lenient with these people, because they don’t want to be accused of racism. This is why I called the cops first. I have been stewing about this all day. I don’t have to make nice with these people, they keep pulling this shit regularly. I am just sick and tired of it.
I pulled up into the parking lot this afternoon, and as soon as I did, one of them sauntered out of the complex and gave me a really nasty look. I just stared at him as he walked past. My car is scratched, I know these assholes did it. This morning I heard one of them say: “Don’t worry, I got something for his ass”, and he made sure that I could hear it so I know they are going to try something.
I bought a Louiville Slugger this afternoon, and I have it by the front door. I do like that carpet knife idea too, I will go and get one of those this evening.
I am not going to put up with this shit, and let a bunch of 50 cent looking, prison culture thugs run my life. Again, thanks for the replies.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
See, I have a problem with this approach. They fucked up his car. There should be consequences. [/quote]
Agreed, but what kind of consequences? If this really is the “ghetto” and this guy is out of his element, then attempting to dish out those consequences himself (with or without help) probably won’t work. He could involve the cops. This would be useful if he wants to try and get out of his lease and move (maybe not a bad plan), but the problem here is that this will take a while. Time enough for these people to mess with him more.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
…although I don’t agree necessarily how he handled it in the first place, walking over there by himself basically puts him at their mercy and pack mentality being what it is he may even be more likely to get beat down.
If he is going to do that he better bring 3-4 friends who can handle confrontation.
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The value I see in going over there alone (obviously during the day when only the people who live there are home) is that he is showing them that he is a man and not afraid. The last thing he should do is show them any fear or weakness. Facing them on their turf shows he’s not a coward. That might earn him some respect and credibility in their eyes. Credibility he lost when he called the cops on them. I like the approach of saying that they both screwed up. Him for involving the cops and them for messing with his car. A willingness on his part to start over could help to win them to his side.
After all they know that he can continue to involve the cops. If this gets him a warm reception, then he could break out the pot or some other form of peace offering (a six pack, a bottle, some protein powder, whatever it is he thinks these folks might like). Share something with them, show them that they can be on friendly terms.
This might work or they might cop an attitude with him right off the bat and then he knows that this isn’t working and just leave (in this case he probably won’t even get in the door). Ultimately I see attempting to escalate this physically will only endanger his sister and nephew. But he’s also got to show them that he won’t be pushed around. Regaining their respect in some fashion is the only way I see that he can stay there for any lenght of time unmolested.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
I am not going to put up with this shit, and let a bunch of 50 cent looking, prison culture thugs run my life. Again, thanks for the replies.[/quote]
Only you know this situation, but to be honest it sounds like you’ve been giving them some attitude too. When I was in college I knew plenty of people who exhibited the exact behavior you are describing and they just so happened to be well off white kids. That was the primary reason I opted out of living in a dorm.
You simply couldn’t get any serious studying done wit hall the craziness going on at all hours. So the behavior itself isn’t all that unusual. You can either have an adversarial relationship with these people or you can try to get along with them. That’s a call you’ve got to make…
If these people were real thugs, my guess is that you would have been dealt with that night. They are probably nothing more than passive-aggressive punks that want to be thugs. Hence them fucking with your ride and making threatening statements instead of directly confronting you. Give it a few days, it will blow over. Alcoholic potheads have notoriously short memories.
And move out of the fucking ghetto.
If these people were real thugs, my guess is that you would have been dealt with that night. They are probably nothing more than passive-aggressive punks that want to be thugs. Hence them fucking with your ride and making threatening statements instead of directly confronting you. Give it a few days, it will blow over. Alcoholic potheads have notoriously short memories.
And move out of the fucking ghetto.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
I should address a few points. The reason I didn’t go over there and confront them is because of a couple reasons. One, I don’t think it is my duty, or my responsibility to remind people of appropriate behavior, and the rules and guidelines of apartment life. I shouldn’t HAVE to get out of bed at 1 AM to ask my neighbors to turn their music down on a Thursday. It should be like, you know, COMMON SENSE. [/quote]
1-It IS your duty as a neighbor.
2-When you hide behind the police it makes you look like a pussy.
3-The police have better things to do than to ask your neighbors to please turn down the stereo for you.
4-The vast majority of the human race does not have common sense. Do not assume that anyone knows how they are supposed to act until you have told them.
Anyone think he’s making this up ?
Car bomb, that’s all I’m saying.
I kid, I kid.
well…in the mean time…
http://www.excaliburbrothers.com/site/697427/product/MC-2088
Gun, pistol or shotgun. More suitable for close combat.
Suggestion:
Springfield 1911 .45. Nice stopping power, little recoil.
Since you have already opened the can by calling the cops, keep doing it to keep track of incidents. As for the vandalism, unless they are caught, there is not much you can do other than to report it.
Actually, you have a landlord. It’s his/her job to control tenants. Engage them.
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
Gun, pistol or shotgun. More suitable for close combat.
Suggestion:
Springfield 1911 .45. Nice stopping power, little recoil.[/quote]
Short barrel shotgun (ie. 14 inch or less) would be better for apartment hallway fighting. No learning curve (unlike defensive pistol shooting)… just point the pipe and pull. Load with whatever you like, my personal preference is double-ott buckshot. #7 or #9 bird would have a nice spread, and if you miss with that, you have bigger problems.
[quote]Diablo9845 wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
Gun, pistol or shotgun. More suitable for close combat.
Suggestion:
Springfield 1911 .45. Nice stopping power, little recoil.
Short barrel shotgun (ie. 14 inch or less) would be better for apartment hallway fighting. No learning curve (unlike defensive pistol shooting)… just point the pipe and pull. Load with whatever you like, my personal preference is double-ott buckshot. #7 or #9 bird would have a nice spread, and if you miss with that, you have bigger problems.
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18" is the minimum length for a shotgun.
I think 14" is minimum for a rifle.