X - 9 days out of 10 you have something fairly intelligent to say, however, you’re so far off on this thread that you just need to stop now. If you’ve never tried anything having to do with functional strength, and you obviously have never stepped out of the gym to try something that many of us do(not that I care), then don’t comment on it. You more than obviously know absolutely nothing about it.
[quote]kroc30 wrote:
X - 9 days out of 10 you have something fairly intelligent to say, however, you’re so far off on this thread that you just need to stop now. If you’ve never tried anything having to do with functional strength, and you obviously have never stepped out of the gym to try something that many of us do(not that I care), then don’t comment on it. You more than obviously know absolutely nothing about it. [/quote]
How did you jump to some conclusion that I have never been out of the gym? I have done local basic strong man competitions. They weren’t high level, but carrying 100lbs bags of sand and pushing a truck were part of the events along with holding buckets that weighed 15lbs each with our arms outstretched for as long as possible. Why wouldn’t you ask instead of jumping to some baseless conclusion?
I was actually waiting for someone to slip up like that. I am more than tired of “functional strength” being thrown around on this forum. STRENGTH is STRENGTH. You are no more “functional” than me. You get good at whatever you train to do, period. Anything more is bullshit.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was actually waiting for someone to slip up like that. I am more than tired of “functional strength” being thrown around on this forum. STRENGTH is STRENGTH. You are no more “functional” than me. You get good at whatever you train to do, period. Anything more is bullshit.[/quote]
You actually sat, crouched and waiting to pounce, through 141 posts just to make this point? Why didn’t you state your whole case to begin with and mention that you had in-fact done some type of novice low-weight strongman events?
I think I understand what you’re saying about your functionality-- that anyone becomes functional at the strength activities they personally choose to do.
However measuring functionality against yourself is kind of silly. The point of functionality is that there are people out there that use their 250lbs better than you do either by moving more weight, moving their body faster, or both. Just because you have the functionality to perform your gym lifts, type on a keyboard, and do whatever else it is that you personally do, doesn’t mean that you are functional relative to other strength athletes of your size.
I should hope that this “personal functionality” that you speak of is a general goal for everyone, and that when we speak of functionality in general it should refer to yourself relative to others.
[quote]RIT Jared wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I was actually waiting for someone to slip up like that. I am more than tired of “functional strength” being thrown around on this forum. STRENGTH is STRENGTH. You are no more “functional” than me. You get good at whatever you train to do, period. Anything more is bullshit.
You actually sat, crouched and waiting to pounce, through 141 posts just to make this point? Why didn’t you state your whole case to begin with and mention that you had in-fact done some type of novice low-weight strongman events? [/quote]
Because it wasn’t important. There is a lot that I have done that I haven’t mentioned on this forum. Therefore, why would you assume that others in the gym who hold the opinion that possibly more focus should be on training are clueless on the subject? Apparently, you all think that anyone who doesn’t agree with you has simply never done anything like it. This is not the case.
By the way, I also tried out for an arena football team once just to see if I could do it. I wouldn’t consider myself a punk.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
RIT Jared wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I was actually waiting for someone to slip up like that. I am more than tired of “functional strength” being thrown around on this forum. STRENGTH is STRENGTH. You are no more “functional” than me. You get good at whatever you train to do, period. Anything more is bullshit.
You actually sat, crouched and waiting to pounce, through 141 posts just to make this point? Why didn’t you state your whole case to begin with and mention that you had in-fact done some type of novice low-weight strongman events?
Because it wasn’t important. There is a lot that I have done that I haven’t mentioned on this forum. Therefore, why would you assume that others in the gym who hold the opinion that possibly more focus should be on training are clueless on the subject? Apparently, you all think that anyone who doesn’t agree with you has simply never done anything like it. This is not the case.
By the way, I also tried out for an arena football team once just to see if I could do it. I wouldn’t consider myself a punk.[/quote]
I would say it is important only because the topic WAS strongman training, or the reactions to it. It would have held more weight if you had said, I trained strong man for a little bit and thought it sucked, or something like that.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
I would say it is important only because the topic WAS strongman training, or the reactions to it. It would have held more weight if you had said, I trained strong man for a little bit and thought it sucked, or something like that.
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Ok. I trained strongman for a little bit and think it sucked compared to my goals for overall strength in the gym. I think they are goals where you work to build the size THEN work on being some ultimate conditioned functional whateverthefuck.
You don’t try to split your time between the two before you even build the overall mass unless you are training for competition. Some 150lbs kid, in my honest opinion, needs to get his ass in a gym and learn to move heavy weights. He can pull sleds once you can stop counting his ribs when he inhales or when people can look at him IN CLOTHES and tell he lifts weights.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I see a need for “increased work capacity” in terms of what I need to work for. Why would I be interested in increasing my “work capacity” beyond what I need it for?
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Agreed.
-Fireplug
[quote]RIT Jared wrote:
Professor X wrote:
If you like it, keep doing it. Just don’t try to convince everyone else that we are missing out. I know I’m not.
I don’t know how anyone is going to convince you that this thread isn’t all about your training methods.
I don’t think anyone is trying to convince you personally to try strongman training. I know I’m not. Your goals are clearly aesthetic not athletic, and it seems like you are happy with yourself being over 250lbs and looking like you might have played football once upon a time. [/quote]
That shit is too funny bro…and on point.
Anyway, in a sense, I do understand and appreciate where Grey is coming from; however, I had a mid 600 pull before I got my 600lb tire. When I first got the tire, flipping it for a couple was a challenge; just the other night, I got 10 flips in roughly 25 seconds. My point? I am stronger. Period. My deadlift has not suffered although because of various dings/injuries, I haven’t maxed deadlift in quite some time. However, the bottom line is - I am stronger. If I am stronger, then I have accomplished a goal b/c my ONLY goal is to continue to be stronger - not necessarily add mass w/o any particular goal or, in words more eloquent than mine - too look like I played football once - LMFAO.
That said, if my goal was mass, I’d live on squats, deads, and other gym lifts. But the odd lift has its place for many reasons already stated in this thread.
No way guy, people would much rather spend money at Home depot buying wheelbarrow’s and sledgehammers. Also, you probably have a large physique or are strong from working on a farm because you do it everyday for 10-12 hours a day. What get’s me are the people that think that by pushing a car a couple of times a week or swinging an axe for a half hour a week is going to make them strong and muscular. Stongmen train for hours and that is their job. Go ahead and do it for fun or variety, but it is not going to get you the results the lifting in a gym will. Aslo as far as Dave Tate goes, he absolutly knows what he is talking about, but remember, the graet Ed Coan never dragged a sled or flipped a tire.
[quote]djoh615893 wrote:
Just wanted to throw out there that I was able to bring a two mile run from the mid 15’s to low 13’s with mostly sled pulls (strap around waist, primarily). I have been doing a lot of deadlifts, some with chains but I doubt that did much to speed my run up. It helped me keep my upper body conditioning up to par in the absence of my lifting. Not all that much to contribute, I know, but I was REALLY amazed that I set a personal best on that run with sled dragging being my solitary means of training outside of the usual morning Army training. And it’s been fun drawing a lot of stares and rubbernecking from the neighbors and the drivers on my street.[/quote]
So you don’t think that deadlifting a lot was the deciding factor in increasing your run time? The fact that deadlifting taxes your entire body and makes you breath as if you ran a 200 meter sprint didn’t have as much of an effect as walking around with a sled? I don’t think the sled did as much as you think.