[quote]conorh wrote:
I think if you’re a little bitty feller, you should probably put some sweat equity into barbells, and dumb bells in a gym before you decide to break out the barrel, bag, tire and dragging implement.
This, in spite of my love for strongman training.
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Conorh knows of what he speaks.
[quote]kroc30 wrote:
X - One of the things that have increased my grip strength the most in training have always been Farmer’s walks and holds. [/quote]
What helped mine the most was barbell shrugs without wrist wraps and doing the same with static holds using as much weight as possible. I am not saying farmer’s walks don’t help build your grip strength. I am saying that other things in the gym do as well. I would even argue that grip strength is affected by nearly everything you do in the gym, not just one or two exercises.
From Dave Tate-
The Solution: Sled Dragging
I decided to add in sled dragging six days a week with a few extra workouts. Louie had been doing these extra workouts for about a year and I just dismissed them as a waste of time. But the dragging sled could be used as a means of increasing work capacity. The use of a sled has many benefits:
? The sled is easy to use and doesn’t require a special trip to the gym.
? The sled is specific to the development of the special skills necessary for maximal strength. (And by the way, we never run with the sled.)
? Many movements can be trained with the sled, some of which are listed below. There are movements for the abdominals, shoulders, hamstrings, etc. Virtually every muscle can be trained with a sled.
? The sled is a great way to induce active restoration. In many of the upper body dragging movements, the eccentric is eliminated because of the nature of the sled. This in turn is great for recovery because the tearing down of the muscle is much less in concentric-only movements.
Hmmmm, better get on the horn and tell Tate he’s full of it!
Oooops! Forgot to include Tate’s parting thoughts on the subject.
Ahhh, but what does HE know anyway?
Summary
I’ve presented just some of the possible GPP and restoration movements. It’s worked wonders for us at Westside and for the athletes I train. The added GPP and hamstring development has improved many of our deadlifts and the upper body work has helped more shoulder problems caused by overtraining than anything else we’ve tried.
[quote]derek wrote:
Oooops! Forgot to include Tate’s parting thoughts on the subject.
Ahhh, but what does HE know anyway?
Summary
I’ve presented just some of the possible GPP and restoration movements. It’s worked wonders for us at Westside and for the athletes I train. The added GPP and hamstring development has improved many of our deadlifts and the upper body work has helped more shoulder problems caused by overtraining than anything else we’ve tried.
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Anything that gets the circulating will in-turn help out with recovery. Besides, Dave is fat, old, and a powerlifter. When was the last time you saw Dexter Jackson or Ronnie Coleman dragging a sled?
[quote]derek wrote:
Hmmmm, better get on the horn and tell Tate he’s full of it!
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Or, as if he needs to be told this, you can inform him that someone could train their entire lives and reach the peak of human efficiency without ever dragging a sled. You seem to have the impression that this is not the case.
No one is saying YOU can’t drag a sled. No one is saying you SHOULD NEVER drag a sled. However, it is being said that it isn’t necessary and perhaps some people who are focusing on sled dragging outside of competition should get their skinny asses into a gym and lift something heavy.
I guess it just depends on your goals. Obviously those who’s only goal is to pack on the mass won’t really need to use a sled. I can’t wait to get a sled, I play hockey and I think it’ll definitely help me out. But until then I’ll just keep hitting the weights in the gym.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
legend wrote:
I tend to do a lot of skipping and farmers walks with sandbags in my back garden, thing is the neighbours all seem to think i have gone insane.
How do you tractor tyre flippers, and sled draggers get on with this
Truth be told, I would probably think you were wasting your time unless you were actually seeing amazing results from this. If I saw a big guy flipping tires, I would assume he is into some type of “strongman” activity. If I saw a much smaller guy doing it, I would think his time would be better spent in a gym. However, that is just my opinion. I put a lot of that shit right in the same box as kettleballs.[/quote]
Brick! So training WSM style in addition to lifting weights is a waste of time now? You mean, you never plan on using your muscle for anything other than lifting in the gym and taking up more space so it’s a waste of time to YOU. For the rest of us who would like to be able to walk up 4 flights of stairs withought having to stop on each landing for a breath, I think it suits us just fine to drag shit around.
I’m sure you don’t think that adding it in will hurt his muscle gains any right? I mean if it did hurt muscle gains, there would be no way super mario is as jacked as he is right? Or, possibly you jumped to the conclusion that the poster in question did this strongman stuff instead of lifting weights?
Also, someones size is relative to how effective what they are doing is? So a small person lifting weights would be wasting his time just as much as a small person dragging a sled? I fail to see your logic in this statement. You are one weird dude, all this typing you do on here is certainly not getting you any bigger, yet you will tell someone they are wasting thier time for dragging a sled for an hour or two a week?
V
[quote]OlympicGymnast wrote:
derek wrote:
Oooops! Forgot to include Tate’s parting thoughts on the subject.
Ahhh, but what does HE know anyway?
Summary
I’ve presented just some of the possible GPP and restoration movements. It’s worked wonders for us at Westside and for the athletes I train. The added GPP and hamstring development has improved many of our deadlifts and the upper body work has helped more shoulder problems caused by overtraining than anything else we’ve tried.
Anything that gets the circulating will in-turn help out with recovery. Besides, Dave is fat, old, and a powerlifter. When was the last time you saw Dexter Jackson or Ronnie Coleman dragging a sled?[/quote]
All kidding aside, I stood behind Dave during one of the presentations at the Test Fest in DC, the mans back is as wide as the state of texas, he is fucking huge. Old and a powerlifter is dead on though… what a pussy.
V
I kind of think it’s a shame that this started off as a light-hearted post about what to do about his neighbors thinking he’s crazy, and it’s devolved into this bickering.
[quote]OlympicGymnast wrote:
derek wrote:
Oooops! Forgot to include Tate’s parting thoughts on the subject.
Ahhh, but what does HE know anyway?
Summary
I’ve presented just some of the possible GPP and restoration movements. It’s worked wonders for us at Westside and for the athletes I train. The added GPP and hamstring development has improved many of our deadlifts and the upper body work has helped more shoulder problems caused by overtraining than anything else we’ve tried.
Anything that gets the circulating will in-turn help out with recovery. Besides, Dave is fat, old, and a powerlifter. When was the last time you saw Dexter Jackson or Ronnie Coleman dragging a sled?[/quote]
You are joking right?
[quote]Vegita wrote:
I’m sure you don’t think that adding it in will hurt his muscle gains any right? I mean if it did hurt muscle gains, there would be no way super mario is as jacked as he is right? Or, possibly you jumped to the conclusion that the poster in question did this strongman stuff instead of lifting weights? [/quote]
Who said one word about “hurting muscle gains”? I will say that I don’t doubt that there are people out there more focused on farmer’s walks and the like instead of actual strength training in the gym.
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Also, someones size is relative to how effective what they are doing is? So a small person lifting weights would be wasting his time just as much as a small person dragging a sled? I fail to see your logic in this statement. You are one weird dude, all this typing you do on here is certainly not getting you any bigger, yet you will tell someone they are wasting thier time for dragging a sled for an hour or two a week?
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The comment about size has to do with what a person should be prioritizing in their training. Are you saying some 130lbs kid needs to start sled dragging before he gets in the gym on a regular basis? How is it weird to point that out? Are you saying everyone not dragging a sled is “hurting muscle gains”?
[quote]legend wrote:
I tend to do a lot of skipping and farmers walks with sandbags in my back garden, thing is the neighbours all seem to think i have gone insane.
How do you tractor tyre flippers, and sled draggers get on with this?
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In the evenings (depending on my school schedule…because I usually devote mornings to regular barbell training) I’ll usually do some type of wheelbarrow walk, sled drag, sled pull, heavy bag work, etc. My neighbors have pretty much gotten used to it, but then I also live on a dead-end street so I basically have a total of 5 neighbors.
Some people seem interested, others just give the “wtf” look. Most of the time people just ask me if I’m preparing for the Firefighter’s Physical test (which I’m not). Other than that the neighbors don’t seem to mind. I only spend about 20-40 minutes total doing GPP related stuff anyway (medleys…etc).
So don’t mind the nieghbors. Just keep training.
-ton
If ya’ll really want to train like you’re living on a farm, I’ll happily donate weekends at our place. After throwing around 150 to 200 bales of hay in the loft, stacking the hay, we’ll move on to swapping the widths of the tractor’s rear tires (which are fluid filled). Then there are trees to cut, wood to split, logs to stack, fences to mend, fields to disc, horses to tend, pastures to drag, equipment to repair, land to clear, and the list goes on and on and on.
Maybe I should charge a membership fee?
I do strongman about once a week. I find the different stimulus is helpful, especially around your guts (where I need some help). I have found things like Zercher walks very useful for increasing the overall stability of my midsection and shoulders/upper back.
The other main reason I do it is that it’s fun.
If you are getting the training results that you want out of it, keep it up. If you’re not, I would suggest you spend more time in the kitchen building some muscle. No-one respects a 150lbs, 6 foot strongman.
For those idiots who keep using Pud as an example of the physique that strongman training can develop, stop deluding yourself. Pud spends an ass load of time in the gym doing bodybuilder style workouts. His strongman work is supplementary to this.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Professor X wrote:
So training WSM style in addition to lifting weights is a waste of time now? You mean, you never plan on using your muscle for anything other than lifting in the gym and taking up more space so it’s a waste of time to YOU. For the rest of us who would like to be able to walk up 4 flights of stairs withought having to stop on each landing for a breath, I think it suits us just fine to drag shit around.
I’m sure you don’t think that adding it in will hurt his muscle gains any right? I mean if it did hurt muscle gains, there would be no way super mario is as jacked as he is right? Or, possibly you jumped to the conclusion that the poster in question did this strongman stuff instead of lifting weights?
Also, someones size is relative to how effective what they are doing is? So a small person lifting weights would be wasting his time just as much as a small person dragging a sled? I fail to see your logic in this statement. You are one weird dude, all this typing you do on here is certainly not getting you any bigger, yet you will tell someone they are wasting thier time for dragging a sled for an hour or two a week?
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I believe they call that “Checkmate” in chess.
Either way, I’ll take a nice day out in the sun with a beer and some babes doin flips on my wakeboard over doin rows in the gym.
I’ll take rock climbing over pullups, or shit, any back exercise.
Doin Cardio at the gym? Pulllllease…Gimme some good ol fashion Brazilian JuJitsu with a 250 pound purple belt. Thats my idea of cardio.
To each there own.
[quote]Tim K wrote:
If ya’ll really want to train like you’re living on a farm, I’ll happily donate weekends at our place. After throwing around 150 to 200 bales of hay in the loft, stacking the hay, we’ll move on to swapping the widths of the tractor’s rear tires (which are fluid filled). Then there are trees to cut, wood to split, logs to stack, fences to mend, fields to disc, horses to tend, pastures to drag, equipment to repair, land to clear, and the list goes on and on and on.
Maybe I should charge a membership fee?
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LOL.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Who said one word about “hurting muscle gains”? I will say that I don’t doubt that there are people out there more focused on farmer’s walks and the like instead of actual strength training in the gym.
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Like I said, I don’t know a single person that competes in strongman or even does “strongman activities” as you like to call them, that doesn’t spend the majority of their training time in the gym. If you are basing your argument on the platform that there may be a few farmer’s walk junkies out there that only farmer’s walk and do nothing else, then that is quite a stretch and makes this discussion kind of stupid.
[quote]RIT Jared wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Who said one word about “hurting muscle gains”? I will say that I don’t doubt that there are people out there more focused on farmer’s walks and the like instead of actual strength training in the gym.
Like I said, I don’t know a single person that competes in strongman or even does “strongman activities” as you like to call them, that doesn’t spend the majority of their training time in the gym. If you are basing your argument on the platform that there may be a few farmer’s walk junkies out there that only farmer’s walk and do nothing else, then that is quite a stretch and makes this discussion kind of stupid.[/quote]
Haven’t we had some posters even post pics in the past with a claim of only doing these types of movements? I don’t mean just farmer’s walks, but only these “power/strongman” type movements with very little focus on gym work.
Wasn’t the whole point of the thread about what standard non-lifting observers would think?