this doesn’t make them think I’m nuts. That would be the practicing broadway show dances and “skinning the cat” on my kids’ playground while wearing only combat boots, a knit skull cap and a polka dotted thong.
DB
[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
Professor X wrote:
, I do consider much of that stuff to be a large waste of time unless you are involved in strongman events. .
Yawn…
I would rather be outside anyways.
My neighbors think Im absolutely nuts. First it was the pullup bar I nailed to a tree. Then, its the constant jumping rope I do. Or all the plyometric boxes i have set up that I do various work on. Or when Im out doing medicine ball throws, or sprints, or beating people up in the field arcoss my apartment doing brazilian jujitsu with various friends.
Either way, i dont think any of my neighbors would give me any flack or ever try and break in. LOL. [/quote]
Did I see a video last week of you and your friends having a gladiator contest, one of the weapons being a certain 7 lb dildo? That was awesome!
DB
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
I would rather be outside anyways.
Yawn.
I am sure the gym feels the same.[/quote]
Nope, I like the gym to. Nothin beats some good ol fashion heavy deads, and me actually being the only person at the gym who does em.
I just enjoys the outdoors more. Doin the snoboarding/wakeboarding/outside exercise thing.
[quote]RIT Jared wrote:
I was referring to weight training and work capacity in general.[/quote]
Oh, well, in that case, my work capacity is increased wonderfully. I just have capacity coming out the anus.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Todd S. wrote:
I also walk and run sometimes, should that also be done just at the gym?
What you do is your own business. However, if you are wondering what others think, I told you. I am in the gym almost daily and yes, I do consider much of that stuff to be a large waste of time unless you are involved in strongman events. If you didn’t want that opinion, were you expecting to only hear from people who agreed with you? I don’t agree with you. Are you going to spank me for it?
As far as running, what does that have to do with sled pulls? If you want my thoughts on running, just ask.[/quote]
Geez, I’ve been a member for years but only recently had any real time or inclination to post; so my point is, although a member for years, I’ve only been active on the forums for a few months…And, what I can’t figure out is why you guys even go back and forth with this guy. I did several times - but I didn’t know better. It’s always a pointed discussion, contentious and always ends the same. Why bother?
My only curiosity is if “Treach” (LMFAO) here actually ever flipped some tires. If he had, I would imagine he wouldn’t deem it a waste of time.
Oh let me count the ways; first, its more challenging that a deadlift b/c you’re starting the movement much lower - right off the ground. Grip is an issue and challenge. So, following Treach’s logic, deadlifts and grip work are a waste of time - for a little guy or, for anyone unless you’re competing in strongman. Next, transitioning the tire to the point where you actually push it over is very much akin to a clean, albeit more difficult - especially if you don’t cheat with your knee. Thus, cleans, in Treach’s mind, would likewise be a waste of time. Finally, the cardio element to this is a monster; if you flip at a brisk pace - you will be breathless by the end and again, surely to Treach, this likewise has no benefit.
Sorry for the highjack - I just don’t understand why you guys bother.
Back to the original thread; bro, I suggest you get over what other people think. Although I don’t have to suffer a commercial gym any longer, I can’t tell you how many times I had to endure stupid looks and questions about chains, bands, zercher squats, board presses, OH squats, kneeling squats, squats suits, knee wraps, DE work, JM presses…the list goes on and on. If you’re worried about what someone thinks - you need to revisit your mental make up. I say ignore them and F em.
My neighbors (the few that I have) probably know me as that guy who breeds pitbulls and flips tires in front of his house. Think I give a F? LOL.
Seriously, who cares? Right?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
kellyc wrote:
Professor X, this is his way of nicely calling you fat.
Yeah, I got that. Excuse me while I go cry about it. Then again, I have never claimed to be under 10% body fat and don’t care to be as long as I am not “fat” or have a gut hanging over my pants. I do find it funny that lean body mass is overlooked as if there just couldn’t be some link between muscle size well above average and having bulked up in the past. If I ever decide to compete, I will be sure to ask him what my body fat percentage is while holding a shoe.[/quote]
All this talk about size from you left me wondering - when are we going to see a shot of you with your legs attached - as opposed to those prison pose pictures with you squatting low to the ground? Just curious is all…w
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Professor X wrote:
kellyc wrote:
Professor X, this is his way of nicely calling you fat.
Yeah, I got that. Excuse me while I go cry about it. Then again, I have never claimed to be under 10% body fat and don’t care to be as long as I am not “fat” or have a gut hanging over my pants. I do find it funny that lean body mass is overlooked as if there just couldn’t be some link between muscle size well above average and having bulked up in the past. If I ever decide to compete, I will be sure to ask him what my body fat percentage is while holding a shoe.
All this talk about size from you left me wondering - when are we going to see a shot of you with your legs attached - as opposed to those prison pose pictures with you squatting low to the ground? Just curious is all…w
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I’m sorry, but if you are asking pics from me, you start by posting your own. I have posted mine taken in my mirror at home. There was no effort to avoid showing my legs. Why do you want to see so many poses of me? The Brokeback discussion is in another thread.
[quote]Minotaur wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
They’ve gotten used to the sled, sandbags, kbells and car pushing too.
Dude, how new are those shoes? The laces look bleached white or something. Of course, I could be biased. My personal best lifetime of a single pair is about 2 and a half years.[/quote]
Those were new laces. The others were eaten by my dog. Those Chucks are already 2 1/2 years old. I also have two additional pair (one pair for training and one pair for leisure).
[quote]kellyc wrote:
My teeth are hurting from the sound of that sled sliddng over the concrete.[/quote]
Actually, it’s not very loud at all. Now, if I drag it on my driveway, that’s a whole different story.
The street pavement isn’t that loud and doesn’t make that evil “fingers on a chalkboard” sound.
[quote]ytbones wrote:
Professor X wrote:
RIT Jared wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You seem to be upset simply because I don’t think sled pulls offer much benefit for anyone aside from those competing in events that utilize similar. Obviously, if someone is very muscular, most will assume that whatever he is doing is working for him. If someone is small, they will not get that same benefit of the doubt and they truly shouldn’t in my opinion.
I don’t see how you can think that increasing work capacity isn’t beneficial for anyone involved in a strength sport (including lifting weights as a “hobby”).
My work capacity is increased anytime I add cardio back into my program. It has led me to understanding that occasional cardio may not be the devil even though it may need to be scaled way back when gaining.
Professor X
What type of cardio do you do to increase work capacity?
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I don’t work to increase work capacity. My cardio has the specific purpose of fat reduction. Oh, you thought I would miss that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
derek wrote:
Since sled dragging builds the glutes, hams, hips, calves all at the same time, why the hell would you not want to do this?
Squats and calf raises do the same.
Oh, did I mention that it’s good to train outside? And if your not careful, you may just have FUN?
It’s “good” to train outside? I think it’s “good” to train in the gym. I don’t think it is “bad” to train outside, but I do think I see more results in the gym. You all are pulling sleds for “active recovery”?
Don’t even get me started on Farmers Walk and truck/car pushing.
Get started.
It seemed as though it was being said that unless you compete, training the “events” was a waste of time.
Using that “logic”, jumping rope is useless unless you compete in Double-Dutch!
Perhaps it is. Why is jumping rope a necessity? It is a “must add” to my routine? What happens if I don’t jump rope?
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Squats and calf raises… So all you do is Squat and calf raises to strengthen/develop your legs? No? Me either.
Is “active recovery” the only thng I said it was good for? Ummm, no.
Did I say jumping rope was a necessity? No. Did I say it was a “must add”?
You certainly read into things much differently than most. Odd, really.
Sometimes the gym gets boring. Especially if you spend so much of your time there as you talk about.
And what is it you do during the day (aside from training) that leaves you with so much time to contradict so many posts?
[quote]Big Adam wrote:
I think doing all this crap in your yard and out on the street smacks of trashy. In my neighborhood, we all expect our neighbors to take good care of their homes, their lawns, cars, etc. In other words, our home can only be as beautiful as the neighborhood around it.[/quote]
That has nothing to do with training in your garage or on the street with equipment. And no one leaves tires, sleds, sandbags and other equipment sitting on the front lawn.
That is an idiotic statement. Dragging a sled, using sandbags, flipping tires or pushing a car isn’t trashy and has no effect on anyone’s property values.
Now, if you left that type of stuff in your front yard, then it may be trashy. Same goes for people that leave broken down cars in the driveway and all kinds of other garbage and broken shit in the yard.
I use my equipment on the street for an hour or less. I train, I put it away, a few people watch, but most are used to it and no one has complained.
I think the kids that come through the neighborhood with “bass, boom, bottom” cars shaking everyone’s house is much more trashy than me working out and not bothering anyone.
I’d love to train in your neighborhood just for fun.
x, farmers walk is unbelievable at developing grip strength
the only way to get good at this type of grip strength is through things that mimic the farmers…thick bar work is great
grippers are actually not that good at developing this type of strength…crushing grip is much different
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
My neighbors are used to it.[/quote]
It looks like you scratched the pavement, lol!
I’ve used my homemade clubbells on the apartment balcony, many times before. They’re made from Kmart plastic bats filled with sand, and are bright orange. Shoulder casts looks almost like I’m landing an airplane, haha.
Whatever my neighbors think, I don’t give a shit! Just so long as they don’t get scared and call the cops. I could imagine some weak babies would do that these days, being terrorized by their government’s terror warnings and the nightly news casts - “Is your child in danger?!” (“Maybe its that guy waving the clubs!”).
But if they see us exhausted from the work, then shouldn’t they realize it’s for exercise?
Nate Dogg, you ROCK!
[quote]Big Adam wrote:
Alright, at the risk of sounding unpopular:
I think doing all this crap in your yard and out on the street smacks of trashy. In my neighborhood, we all expect our neighbors to take good care of their homes, their lawns, cars, etc. In other words, our home can only be as beautiful as the neighborhood around it.
With that being said, if you’re a quiet neighbor, who doesn’t really interact with the people in the homes around you, but occasionally busts out the sled in the street, I’m sorry, but that’s just trashy. You have lowered the value of all of that block’s homes.[/quote]
Exhibit “A” on why not to live in a subdivision…
I agree sled dragging is a waste of time. In fact, I tried it last weekend. I dragged it for a few yards and pretty soon the sled was moving on its own, so I hopped on. It went down a hill, over the river and slid for about 1/2 mile thereafter. Maybe it doesn’t work as well in Michigan when there’s snow on the ground? Dammit.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jtrinsey wrote:
I think it all depends on what types of work capacity you need. The only work capacity a bodybuilder NEEDS is developed by lifting weights and maybe a little cardio.
I think there’s definitly plenty of benefits to the “strongman” type of training.
1.) Grip Development. For just about every sport (especially sports like football and baseball), grip and forearm strength is vital. Farmer’s walks I think are one of the best ways to do this. Of course, you could do this in a gym but a lot of gyms are pretty crowded.
2.) Stabilizer Development. It’s along the same lines why some of the Westside guys throw in high-rep dumbell presses on the Swiss ball for a week or two every few months. Obviously the prime movers are way more important, but if you have weak stabilizers, taking a week or two to hit some “functional training” (yes that was a joke!) can bring that up and there’s a good chance you will see some improvements in your main lifts.
3.) Fun! Personally, I enjoy training at the gym, but I can see how it would bore somebody. If somebody’s not enjoying working out in the gym, their intensity is not going to be the same.
I think the problem that a lot of people find with the strongman-type stuff is that it’s kind of hard to quantify exactly how much work you are doing (or at least not as easy as barbell/dumbell exercises). However, this doesn’t mean you can get big doing this. There are plenty of big farmboys out there who haven’t touched a weight in their life. I doubt you will get the same physique development, but I’m sure you can get very strong doing this type of training.
Good post. There is nothing I disagree with except youi crediting grip development with farmer’s walks as if you can’t develop them even better through other means.[/quote]
X - One of the things that have increased my grip strength the most in training have always been Farmer’s walks and holds.
I think if you’re a little bitty feller, you should probably put some sweat equity into barbells, and dumb bells in a gym before you decide to break out the barrel, bag, tire and dragging implement.
This, in spite of my love for strongman training.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
kellyc wrote:
Professor X, this is his way of nicely calling you fat.
Yeah, I got that. Excuse me while I go cry about it. Then again, I have never claimed to be under 10% body fat and don’t care to be as long as I am not “fat” or have a gut hanging over my pants. I do find it funny that lean body mass is overlooked as if there just couldn’t be some link between muscle size well above average and having bulked up in the past. If I ever decide to compete, I will be sure to ask him what my body fat percentage is while holding a shoe.[/quote]
ya know Professer x i will never send a written reply in opposition to what you say not becasue i dont disagree with you from time to time and not becasue im scared it’s becasue if i do you’ll expose my 3rd grade education , i havent been on this site for a long time, so you seem smart but hell i seem smart to some people .
what do you do for a living? dear god this is not a gauntlet of witt’s that has just been thown down so take it easy it’s a true question. my humble reagards shane.